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Dan Stewart 10:38 AM on 04/26/2012
Why should the generally poor American taxpayer continue to subsidize the listening and viewing preferences of wealthy Americans?  

Compare the average incomes and wealth demographics of NPR and PBS  audiences, and NPR and PBS employees, to the average American. 


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02:12 PM on 04/26/2012
Honestly, I don't get what all the fuss is about in regards to PBS and NPR receiving funding from tax payers. The amount of money there allotted from the government pales greatly in comparison to what’s spent on Defense, Oil Subsidies, and the bailouts we gave to the Auto Industry and the Big Banks. But everyone seems to forget about those. Also, I take offense to the idea that just rich, educated people watch PBS. I’m 20 years old, make less than 20,000 a year, and I’m without a college degree (working on it). While not as great as BBC or Aljazeera in my opinion, PBS and NPR is by far the most nonbiased news media in the United States. Anyways, in the grand scheme of things, the little federal money that goes to Public Radio and television isn’t causing massive deficits, so stop complaining.
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Joseph Scott
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02:35 PM on 04/26/2012
You are right to question it....it smells a little right away....if there's little budget impact, what is their problem?
That's the question worth asking.
I have to fav and fan you for that #1 !
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02:38 PM on 04/26/2012
Your taste for opera shouldn't be subsidized by tax follars. Now defense, etc. is provided for in the constitution. We can debate that> but there's realy no excuse for funding PBS and company. It wouldnt matter if the shows were the best or the worst out there.
03:12 PM on 04/26/2012
Opera? I watch PBS Newshour, Washington Week, and Frontline on PBS, and All things Considered on NPR. While Opera is sometimes broadcast, it isn’t the primary source of programming. Please keep that in mind. And while you're right that defense spending is in the constitution, no where in that document does it state that it has to be around $700 billion of the US Budget.
But you've missed my point. While the funding of PBS and NPR is debatable, you continue to ignore the more expensive funding we provie to oil companies and big banks, which isn't in the constitution eithier.
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04:52 PM on 04/26/2012
The arts are provided for in the Constitution. If you can argue that fighting wars all over the Middle East and elsewhere is providing "for the common defence," then I can argue that funding the arts is helping to "insure domestic tranquility."
02:09 PM on 04/26/2012
Time to clean house in the NEA.
02:08 PM on 04/26/2012
They'll be fine without the grants. They still generate a lot of cash for themselves through donations and sponsorships.
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08:34 AM on 04/28/2012
False. There will be program cuts especially in smaller rural markets.
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01:56 PM on 04/26/2012
If we cut funding to PBS then we should insist on pay cuts for the do nothing congress.
01:36 PM on 04/26/2012
Why grants to NPR for music? They took the Saturday 2 hour American Music Roots program away from us and now they have this pathetic thing where news people play an excerp of some unknown for a few seconds with commentary toward the end of the hour and it is pathetic...both the sound and the commentary. Some of the NPR News now sounds like the whole station has been bought by AIPAC. As bad are some of the baby-talk female led discussions of important issues.
Then, look at these new graphics on the PBS Newshour. You feel like you are in a Cotton candy mirror mill. Totally unnecessary waste of money which could have been used for more investigative reporting.
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Joseph Scott
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02:39 PM on 04/26/2012
Well..should they broadcast from a lean-to out in the wind, just to save duckets so they can "investigate" more?

I have had some male friends of mine who really can't stand the tone of Terry Gross's voice, if that's what you mean by "baby-talk."

But if you were referring to their other newscasters...well, I can't agree at all, and it sounds like a cheap shot. But it always does when someone doesn't like someone you do....no harm intended here...life goes on despite our opinions!

Thanks for sharing, and I'm not being sarcastic.
The world , our political world, needs to tolerate differences without going right to the mattresses.
03:22 PM on 04/26/2012
Want to reply. The previous set of PBS Newshour was just fine. Terry Gross does fine. There are other female newscasters on NPR that are good but who is writing these dumb question scripts for them? That is what I mean by baby-talk. I am trying to dream up a phony example of the kind of stuff I hear....uh..'Does high unemployment mean our economy is bad?' They usually have someone on saying something and then they ask these questions so the listening public will understand....I guess...we are so dumbed down.
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01:21 PM on 04/26/2012
I don't think many actually read the article. The NEA made decisions to cut the PBS programs as the number of applicants for those grants doubled. They have to spread the money around as new players come in the market and cannot continue to give the same amount to PBS.
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02:41 PM on 04/26/2012
I'm not signing up for NYT to read it.
01:21 PM on 04/26/2012
Good. Having lost news reporting objectivitiy bending over backwards to appease the right wing under the guise of "equivalence", they are now on their deserved path to surviving like any other broadcaster. I stopped donating to the local outlets a couple of years ago, and since I don't rely on them to be any more objective than commercial broadcasters, won't miss whatever they become.
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Joseph Scott
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02:42 PM on 04/26/2012
I don't know...I thought their "Inside Job" on Frontline, was a good primer on the economic crisis of 2007-2008-2009.

And their series running this week on the same issue is getting fine reviews, though not from the right.

That's what puzzles me about your comment.
It's usually the right wing that complains they are 'a tool of the liberal left" or some such, and want to defund it ....you seem to think it's just the opposite?

That's okay, it's an opinion, of course, and we all have them, but what evidence do you have for this right wing complicity? Is there some feature, or something, a link?

I'm interested in knowing what you are referring to specifically.
thanks.
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NL207
Progressives will be eaten!
01:10 PM on 04/26/2012
Why are these people being subsidized? NPR at the least broadcasts a political viewpoint. They should get zero tax dollars. Let their viewers and listeners support them.
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01:14 PM on 04/26/2012
You obviously don't watch PBS NewsHour. Try it for a couple days.
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02:40 PM on 04/26/2012
I don't own a TV, my tax dollars shouldn't support it.
01:17 PM on 04/26/2012
If we can subsidize big oil (who doesn't need it), we can subsidize the Arts and important news shows on PBS. The amounts are paltry in the scheme of things.
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01:29 PM on 04/26/2012
My thought exactly. It's gets much quieter when the talk turns to oil subsidies.

But pennies to NPR (in comparison) and it's robbing the poor.

Hypocrites.
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NL207
Progressives will be eaten!
01:46 PM on 04/26/2012
We do not subsidize "big oil". That lie is often repeated. The Oil Depletion Allowance was repealed for large oil companies in 1975. "Critics of the depletion allowance mounted a substantial assault with the Tax Reduction Act of
1969 and with the Tax Reduction Act of 1975. The most notable change was the reduction to 22%
(in 1969) for oil and gas, and its elimination for major producers altogether in 1975 ironically, at
the peak of the OPEC oil embargo."

http://web.mst.edu/~tien/270/270-depl.pdf
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01:06 PM on 04/26/2012
Sorry. The taxpayers are tapped out. And even if they did have extra money, it is not the government's role to promote art, or entertainment. That is a matter best left to private money.
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Joseph Scott
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02:54 PM on 04/26/2012
Using your logic, ignoring the lessons of the past, and we would have never had the Rennaisance. It would never have happened...would never have brought us Leonardo or Michelangelo or Masacchio or that rogueish monk, Fra Lippo Lippi!

The walls of Europe would be empty! And by extension, so would ours!

Because you couldn't see fit to help propagate the highest expression of man, his art, you want to ignore the past and let go of the music, the plays, the novels, the paintings, the Sistine Chapel....

The Medici's, the government then, supported the arts, as well as providing for the security of Florence...you see their pride in Michelangelo's David...

If they could do both, somehow, 500 years later, perhaps we could manage, too.

And thereby not lead lives of glitter, but of real depth.
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AlonzoQuijana
04:27 PM on 04/26/2012
Florence was a Republic. The Medici used their own banking fortune to fund art. The parallels here would be the Whitneys, Guggenheims, and Morgans of hte 19th century.
02:55 PM on 04/26/2012
As a taxpayer paying into said government, I prefer my money go to the arts, not to war and subsidies for big companies who don't need it. The Arts are a big part of what makes life worth living.
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AlonzoQuijana
04:19 PM on 04/26/2012
"The Arts are a big part of what makes life worth living." I prefer my cat and dog -- they are a big part of what makes life worth living for me. Can I get a grant for pet care?
01:04 PM on 04/26/2012
I am not sure why America is so bent on going backwards on so many issues all the sudden. Perhaps its the economy, or our political system is melting down and we are entering some kind of dark ages, but this is how it begins. Eliminate the liberal arts, progressive media, peoples peripheral rights, privacy, freedom of unimpeded movement(Give me your papers!) and a whole host of other things that bettered the social being of a nation.
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AlonzoQuijana
01:08 PM on 04/26/2012
Why should government be in the arts business? Do you really want governments and political appointees commissioning works of art? Just think what a Tea Party administration would come up with if they set their minds to it.
02:58 PM on 04/26/2012
"Do you really want governments and political appointees commissioning works of art?"

That's not what this is about. It's about funding organizations that already exist and promoting the arts to the mass public. Not everyone has access or can afford a ticket to the theatre or a concert. And some of these subsidies are also for Science shows.
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Joseph Scott
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02:59 PM on 04/26/2012
Fear is being used, to great effect.

I hear the calls saying 'gub-mint shouldn't be involved in no darn arts stuff."

With that in mind, the Rennaisance would never have happened.

The loss of intelligence due to lack of reading, and education from an early age (our universities, however, are among the finest in the world), allows these hucksters to waltz in and tell them all kind of fables...how can they discern what's nonsense from sense?
They can't.

But they're learning...the bloom is off the rose of the tea party and the ultra right, who since coming into power in congress in 2010, have done nothing but go after the deep causes of problems in our nation: contraception, planned parenthood, the arts, organized labor, especially those teachers, out partying it up on their massive salaries, and so forth.

Third world, as Arianna has said, is their ultimate goal...a labor pool of cowed and obedient under paid employees.
04:36 PM on 04/26/2012
Again, you are so right. I think we have to draw a hard line in the sand and say "no more" and stop this from snowballing, which it will at a geometric rate once it goes past the point of no return.
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12:58 PM on 04/26/2012
PBS and NPR don't need federal money.  Their audience demographics in terms of income, wealth, education is significantly higher than that of the average American.  If people like their broadcast content (which I do), then let them pay for it (which I'm willing to do).  Don't make other, probably much poorer people, pay for wealthier people's entertainment.
12:57 PM on 04/26/2012
You cannot take an Ayn Randian approach to funding the arts if you want good art. Its not survival of the fittest, but an assortment of many things. You cannot apply the corporate bottom line to art and expect it to be all it can be. This nation needs more art, not less.
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AlonzoQuijana
01:09 PM on 04/26/2012
So government knows what is "good art?" Explain, please.
01:38 PM on 04/26/2012
The governments only role is to provide seed money and see to it that no fraud occurs. They do choose what to fund, and hopefully you have educated people who work in the field who are well known and respected sitting on a committee just like they were sitting as the chair at Yale or Columbia or U of Michegan, that awards art on the merits. Much like a national school board picking what books to teach in class. Its best with some public input.
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01:59 PM on 04/26/2012
The government really knows one art and that is taxation
01:10 PM on 04/26/2012
Republicans don't understand art, they lack high level thought
01:34 PM on 04/26/2012
Your not kidding. In in preWW11 Germany, they loved Wagner and did amazing film work that has been supressed. As long as it was German, produced they were for it. Here the republicans don't even want to support American produced art in any form.
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12:57 PM on 04/26/2012
Don't worry PBS....the _Libs will come through with donations to make up the difference.


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H.L. Mencken was too kind.
02:45 PM on 04/26/2012
Like the Estate of Joan Kroc!
12:55 PM on 04/26/2012
Great SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS WASTED ON THE WAR MACHINE VACUUM EACH YEAR!
But lets cut up all the little stuff that actually benefits America.

We elect these tools remember.
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02:15 PM on 04/26/2012
and NPR is going to keep you safe?
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Joseph Scott
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03:11 PM on 04/26/2012
Safe? They're not a military organization or the police.

But, and this is what drives Republicans crazy, They will keep us informed!

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12:45 PM on 04/26/2012
The commercialization of PBS is on steroids.