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Matt Landner
Proud to be red
10:32 AM on 06/21/2012
Microsoft better be subsidizing hell out of it to make it cheap in order to compete. I would consider it only below $199.
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J5K
11:08 AM on 06/21/2012
And what would you be willing to pay for an inferior iOS product?
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Matt Landner
Proud to be red
01:51 PM on 06/21/2012
Full price of course, just like 67 millions iPad users out there.
Sad for Microsoft, coming out with a "superior" product that nobody wants to buy.
10:32 AM on 06/21/2012
I still don't get the appeal of tablets. I mean as a book reader I get it but why spend $600 or $700 to read books when you can by a kendel. I'd much rather spend the extra cash and just get a laptop. I think that's going to be the problem with the surface to get the full functioning windows version it's going to be in the $700-$900 range which is pretty close to a nice ultra thin laptop.
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J5K
11:12 AM on 06/21/2012
They aren't for everyone, but if you need extreme mobility they come in very handy. I'm an IT guy and always on call, can do almost everything on my Android tablet as I can on my laptop, but it is ready at a moments notice no matter where I go - without the need to lug around ten extra pounds. Not to mention, I can use it standing up, at a bar, wherever.

I find it more natural for huffpo and other blogs, communicating via email, IM, Google video chat, etc. But I won't give up the power of my laptop for major work functions and virtualizing or coding,
10:31 AM on 06/21/2012
The surface corrects all the major issues I had with ipads.
11:07 AM on 06/21/2012
Agreed
10:31 AM on 06/21/2012
I know one other thing it will have is a higher price tag!
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lex parsimoniae
10:52 AM on 06/21/2012
You get what you pay for. Don't forget to thank all the children building the ipods so they can keep the price low.
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J5K
11:13 AM on 06/21/2012
Consumer version will be comparably priced. Pro version will cost a couple hundred more. Bank on it.
03:39 PM on 06/21/2012
Comparable doesnt mean the same. If its not the same or below it wont work unfortunately
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Tahut
It's a religious war we're fighting
10:30 AM on 06/21/2012
me likes\me needs\me wants

Looks as if Microsoft learned from Apple's mistakes ... their options are what I expected (so far) a pad should have.

I would pay the same price as an iPad if need be.
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Pieter Nieuwenhuijs
10:28 AM on 06/21/2012
What I found interesting in the whole presentation is that there was a certain tension. When IE was demonstrated it was kind of disfunctional and the Surface was turned away from the camera. When Netflix had to be shown, he ran to the desk to exchange it with another one. Nothing was mentioned about price and battery life. No games were demonstrated and after the keynote journalist could look at the Surface from a save distance without touching it. This is not about Apple or Microsoft, it's about reading the non-verbal signs and the tension in the whole presentation. I found it rather interesting and had the feeling that it was not a finished product with some flaws.
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
10:38 AM on 06/21/2012
That is typical of those presentations. Probaby their "best" prototypes on display while production glitches get hammered out. Marketing.
10:28 AM on 06/21/2012
I have to laugh at all the posters who say that they are disappointed in the iPad that they just bought. Can't do serious work, no file system, no USB port, bla bla bla...didn't you people try the thing out BEFORE you bought it, or talk to someone that has one? It's funny how a product like the iPad brings out the engineer/designer in so many. The iPad category didn't exist in the market before apple brought it out...so it seems logical, that with its success they would put more resources into it and continually improve it...plus the thing is app driven. There is a whole new category of app developers that didn't exist prior, think about it, apple developed a product that anyone could develop for, not just the giants of the industry... Apps for two bucks...come on what did we have a few short years ago....
11:10 AM on 06/21/2012
Can you explain the attraction of apps? I have a tablet and I only have maximum 5 apps installed. At the beginning, I tried some out but quickly removed them. I would use them once or twice and that was it.
Not trying to be rude, I just want to hear your perspective.
I think that people are beginning to see the iPad as just an expensive toy. The Surface will promise more productivity.
12:13 PM on 06/21/2012
The appeal of apps is evident in what your needs are, for example I cut mats for picture framing,
there is a formula for getting the dimensions right. For yucks I did an app search and found a mat layout app for free. I use it and it works and saves me time. I want to place two lights on the floor at 45 degree angles to the wall, i found a protractor app free again that did the job.To me that is indicative of why the iPad is such a success. You can find stuff to use if you have a need, it isn't all angry birds... laptop don't have the inclinometer or accelerometer so they can't do everything either.
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grittyreboot
Help a Stranger to Get Voter ID.
10:27 AM on 06/21/2012
I used to have an old toshiba satellite hybrid tablet PC, and I loved it. Had the same stylus input that they got from wacom. Photoshop and autodesk are an absolute joy to use on that sort of machine. I tried autodesk on an ipad but the mobile version of sketchbook is weak sauce. final nail in the ipad coffin is that you cant code on it.

to be fair, its the surface RT that's competing with the ipad. the surface pro is more competition for the macbook air, IMO. my bet- apple wins the former, and MS wins the latter.

if the surface pro is even 75% of what MS promises, I think I will give it a shot.
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PSoolside
Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue
10:19 AM on 06/21/2012
So far it appears to be a beheaded touchscreen laptop. Apple has had the optional wireless keyboard since day one, which is a real keyboard. Most iPad owner don't use the keyboard and I don't imagine MS users would be any different. The touch and feel of this rubber pad is a big question. Is it responsive at all, does it give feedback to the user?

I've used plenty of tablets, work for a company that makes an Android one, and the experience has been a mixed bag. My biggest beef is the plastic construction of these devices and it looks like MS is not breaking from this trend. Apple competition doesn't seem to really understand the touch and feel experience of Apple products and are only now starting to pay attention to better product design. As for the "Surface" (what an odd name that nobody will ever utter in public, Honey! Have you seen my Surface?) only time and price will tell.
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thx1139
10:50 AM on 06/21/2012
Actually there are 2 keyboard options. 1 is flat touch with no tactile feedback and that is 3mm thick. The other is a 5 mm thick and with tactile feedback.

Never ever think that people will have a problem with the name Surface compared to the hilarious reception people had to the iPad name.
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PSoolside
Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue
11:42 AM on 06/21/2012
People did laugh at iPad when introduced as a product name but it's become the generic name for all tablets in the minds of many these days.
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BookKeepersSon
Don't take me alive
10:16 AM on 06/21/2012
I don't care what anyone says,,, I'm going out and getting in line RIGHT NOW!!!!

Oh wait,,, I grew out of that stage now that I'm not an Apple fanboy anymore...
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RattleCat
10:24 AM on 06/21/2012
Thats good, cause 6 months is a long time to stand in line..........
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10:14 AM on 06/21/2012
Having been "severely" trounced for not being excited about the keyboard INNOVATION except for the Barbie pink colour, I will say this. At one point in time, yes, the computer keyboard was something nifty:

"the development of the ENIAC computer incorporated a keypunch device as both the input and paper-based output device, while the BINAC computer also made use of an electromechanically-controlled typewriter for both data entry onto magnetic tape (instead of paper) and data output."
(Wikipedia keyboard article)

Now, it's hardly an innovation, and really step backwards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Computer_keyboard_in_use_for_a_Windows_7_Desktop_Computer.jpg

BZ.
02:27 PM on 06/21/2012
That's a good point. After much practice, I am now able to edit my code with just the power of my mind.
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RattleCat
10:12 AM on 06/21/2012
"7 Things Microsoft's Tablets Have That Apple's Don't"

Articles on H P.
10:17 AM on 06/21/2012
WIth this exception of this week, this is true. Annoying, don't you think?
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RattleCat
10:22 AM on 06/21/2012
Many of the Apple articles here are nothing more that vehicles to get clicks from vendor/OS zealots.  Some, like the rumor ones that are ALWAYS wrong, are just plain silly.  

I just home they now don't triple up on those with MS and Samsung versions.
10:38 AM on 06/21/2012
Whoops! I read RC's post as the opposite of what it actually says... ;)
10:20 AM on 06/21/2012
You're kidding, right? Sometimes I think H.P. should rename the Tech section to the Apple Section.
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AnonymousByChoice
10:07 AM on 06/21/2012
It FREEZED during the presentation - nuff said. (See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBrRxVXUUTI)

The fact they won't give us a release date or price is a red flag.

The iPad has an integrated stand built into the screen flap, so why are you saying the Surface has it but iPad does not?

Microsoft is holding onto something people are moving away from - a physical keyboard. It's more that can break so they can make more money off selling you replacements.
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RattleCat
10:14 AM on 06/21/2012
In all fairness, that 'screen flap' is an optional purchase.  I believe the author was alluding to the fact that the Surface one is built into its case.  It does not even require the keyboard/cover, which will also likely be an optional (and expensive!) purchase.
10:16 AM on 06/21/2012
Yeah, cause apple always delivers a flawless keynote.

http://youtu.be/KsKKQNZG3rE

(BTW, FREEZED isn't a word.)
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HannahaS
Have great day!
10:06 AM on 06/21/2012
Love all the posts from the Apple junkies. Nothing says "I'm an individual" like owning an Apple device.
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politicalgenius
Mr. Too School for Cool
10:11 AM on 06/21/2012
So in order to be an individual, I have to settle for a second or third tier product? Got it, thanks
10:30 AM on 06/21/2012
No, as an individual, you have to be willing to think for yourself, meaning being open-minded to other products out there, and not letting your pre-conceived biases cloud your judgment. I know it's a shock to hear this, but there are products out there as good, possibly even better (GASP!!!) than Apple. And there are quite a number of products that are inferior to Apple. Point is, it takes an adult to be able to understand that not all things are black and white.
10:31 AM on 06/21/2012
There are way to many iPads now. I guess hipsters will now start using abacuses in starbucks and will roll their eyes at anybody pulling out an iPad
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nowaybro
Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
10:06 AM on 06/21/2012
8. Apps
9. Sales
10. Profits
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J0E1
Don't blame me, I'm not a republicrat.
10:09 AM on 06/21/2012
The surface has Apps.  They are called PROGRAMS and you use them everyday on your REAL computer.
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10:16 AM on 06/21/2012
Which is a desktop or laptop or netbook, when you have all those peripherals slathered onto the MS-Surfer...

Whew!

BZ.
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RattleCat
10:18 AM on 06/21/2012
Not exactly.  Traditional Windows 7 programs will not run on the RT, and will not run in Metro mode on the Pro.  Fortunately, MS bundling versions of Office will soften that blow.  Though the question remains, will MS, and 3rd party developers, allow free upgrades to those who already purchased such applications.  I for one am not spending another $6K for an RT or PRO compatible version of Autocad 3D.