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09:53 PM on 07/29/2012
My family and I were going to eat there Saturday and we could not even get a seat inside plus the drive thru was already going around the building. We can’t wait to go back and support their brave stance.
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kenhamlett
09:45 AM on 07/30/2012
It is hardly a brave stance in the United States to oppose rights for gays. In fact, for most of our existence, oposition was almost a given. People have felt pretty comfortable calling us names, saying hateful things to us, taking away our jobs, telling us to get out of town, physically assaulting us, and worse. Sometimes, even people in our own families joined that chorus. So, this CEO's words do not constitute bravery. They do show that in a country that is changing and learning that the treatment we received was not the treatment we deserved, we still have minds to change to achieve equality. Since one of this country's founding principles was that we are all equal, it is too bad that some like the CEO and you do not yet believe that principle. But, we will keep working, and I hope that some day you will understand and support the principle, too. The really courageous act would be to stand and let everyone see that you believe that we are all equal and deserve the same rights.
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KarenJewel
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10:26 AM on 07/30/2012
At this point in time, it is indeed a brave stance to say anything that could be perceived as not being pro "gay". While I don't deny these things have been done to homosexuals, Christians and anyone taking a stance against same sex "marriage" now are being called names with hateful things directed at them, losing their jobs, being told to get out of many places, physically assaulted, and so on.

Actually, Christians have been treated this way, including murdered for two thousand years, off and on. But, that is another topic.

Yes, this CEO did show bravery. However, I imagine that he never even thought about that. Just as I don't think about bravery when I stand by my faith in Christ and my Father's holy words in the Holy Bible. It is, as they say, a part of my DNA. I might as well say water is flaky and grass flies as to say scripture is wrong, or out dated. I imagine that is this CEO's position as well.
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jmcgladr
04:14 PM on 07/30/2012
Yeah, discrimination is so "brave." Whatever.
05:05 PM on 07/30/2012
Especially when it’s against a lifestyle; its not discrimination when you do not except a lifestyle, get over it. You can still care for someone without accept ones lifestyle.
08:48 PM on 07/29/2012
well said , as i read the additional bloggers and the post on this thread... it does not change anything. The people who cry the loudest for tolerance and acceptance, can't accept anyone else with an opposing views. Civil Unions would fix this for both sides it would allow those who have strong views about traditional marriage to keep the word "marriage" and it would allow the LGBT community to have the rights they deserve and are entitled to. The problem is thinking that ( as displayed on this thread) makes you a bigot , a homophobe a POS..... Sad we used to be known for compromise but now unless you accept everyone's beliefs you are no longer allowed admittance to the "club house"
04:15 AM on 07/30/2012
I completely agree with you
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kenhamlett
09:55 AM on 07/30/2012
Civil unions do not provide the same rights and benefits as marriage. There are a number of people in civil unions who write regularly on the HuffPost and they describe literally hundreds of benefits and types of recognition that are not covererd. Civil unions are also the "Separate, But Equal" of the 21st Century. They are a creation of politicians who want everyone's votes, but do not want to take a stand. They say to gays and lesbians, "see, we gave you something," but, say to heterosexuals, "but, we did not give them what we have." No one believes in compromise in politics more strongly than me. But, this is not about politics -- this is about human rights, fairness, and justice. You would not say to a Black person in 2012 "go ahead to the segregated school, we'll make it really nice." So, you should not suggest to us that we settle for less than marriage. My late partner fought bravely in WW II for the rights and freedoms this country offers. Sadly, despite helping ensure them for you, he never was afforded all the rights for which he fought. In his name, I will continue to ask for the same rights -- nothing more, nothing less. This is about equality, not semantics.
04:48 PM on 07/30/2012
Then re write the laws to make civil unions all inclusive and fix the problems. First of all I am sorry for your loss but i too fought and served for 20 years this country... and I see i fought for the rights of "everyone" that includes those who culturally and respectfully value marriage as a man and women. And to be honest i am not black but find the violation of civil rights for gays and lesbians equated to those of African Americans is sad and an irresponsible comparison. there have been incidents of gays being assaulted for their sexuality but it pales in comparison to he injustices brought people of color to include American Indians, orientals etc.... To equate gay marriage to whites only public places is a farce .. no one discriminates against gays, half the time no one knows they are gay unless they say they or for that is an orientation.... People of color could not hide their color ... they were persecuted outright by just showing their face. In the end this comes down once again to compromise and it is apparent the liberal machine, the DNC who is using it as their platform now, and the LGBT community are unable to do so.
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NoOne18
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03:10 AM on 08/03/2012
Bless you for your courage and dignity. I promise to try to repay the debt we all owe your your husband (& yes, I will use that word!) with support for the dignity of all my brothers & sisters.
07:39 PM on 07/29/2012
I would agree with everything you say here.
I would also remind you that many of those angry people shouting Cathy down grew up in communities and even in families where they were afraid of the people they should have been able to trust. And those people who threatened their lives and their safety often (ab)used scripture to justify their stances. Oddly enough, people raised in abusive situations sometimes respond strongly when their buttons get pushed.
Mr Cathy has a right to his opine. But in his role as COO his opinions reflect on the company--and it is disingenuous to then try to do spin on this after the fact. I think he would be asked to resign if thsi were anything but a family run/owned business.
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Believe in Blue
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10:09 AM on 07/30/2012
It's a private company
05:28 PM on 07/30/2012
that's right it is. I noted that in my comment. And so private citizens have a right to make nises and drive it into bankruptcy if they want. I just wish people cared more about the hurt they inflict on others when they make ill-advised statements.

PS the reason "right" means "correct" is historically--"right" has sided with power privilege and money. So everyone was afraid to disagree with them..
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05:44 PM on 07/29/2012
Can anyone tell what Coke tastes like when you drink it from a Chickfila hate cup?
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09:39 AM on 07/30/2012
Thank you for demonstrating the author's point.
05:08 PM on 07/29/2012
I am so tired of people saying it's intolerant to not tolerate hate and bigotry. That is ridiculous. Should there not have been opposition to those who were against inter-racial marriage, or racism in general? The answer should be obvious.
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thorrsman
Why should I define myself by quoting others?
08:52 PM on 07/29/2012
What you forget is that the act of supporting marriage is not hate or bigotry.

That definition comes from those who are on the losing side of the argument, damning those who support tradition as haters because they are not allowed to change the meaning of the term "marriage".

If there is any hate and bigotry involved, it comes more from the homosexual community for their reaction whe nthe people vote to keep the meaning of the word marriage as it has been.
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GregandJeff
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09:22 PM on 07/29/2012
But such people are operating under a fallacy. Marriage is not what it has always been...not even close. If it were, then multiple wives would be common (and legal), and if a man dies, then his brother would step in and marry his wife. Or if a women is raped by a man, guess what? She's just met her new husband. Is that what you would like to return marriage to?

Frankly, under the free secular society that we are it should be no one else's business who marries who, or who is with who. We are not a religious police state. And again, in FREE country, we should all be free to disagree, but people should still have their rights as well. Anything less then that is taking away another's freedom, which is a very un-American thing to do. Unless one doesn't think America should be free and is proposing changing that. Are you?
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kenhamlett
10:05 AM on 07/30/2012
I am a member of that homosexual community, and I do not hate anyone. But, I am not going to stop asking for equal rights and pressing people about the issue, and some interpret that as somehow hateful or disrespectful. It is not.

While marriage is a tradition, that tradition has changed radically through the centuries. In Biblical times, women were virtually sold -- with family's jockeying to pay the highest amount of money to make the marriage that was most beneficial to them, with little concern for the bride. Divorce has become almost as common as marriage, the biggest change of all. Fewer than half the people marrying in this country have any religious involvement in their wedding. Wives are no longer required to believe and say the sames things as their husbands. The changes are many and varied. We ask only that the institution be expanded, not really changed at all, and that everyone be able to enjoy its recognition, benefits, and protections. In countries that have embraced equal marriage, they have found the institution revitalized and strengthened. It will be the same in this country.
03:51 PM on 07/29/2012
I thought this was a wonderful point. Those who say that spending your money at Chick-fil-a is supporting anti-gay rights may be right but protor and gamble support lots of gay rights and that hasn't stopped me from buying Tide or Crest toothpaste. The real issue truly is what is intolerance? Lady Gaga openly promotes gay marriages yet you don't see people picketing her shows or saying she is intolerant. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion even it it differs from your own.
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GregandJeff
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09:26 PM on 07/29/2012
Really? No one ever protest Lady Gaga? You sure about that?

http://news.yahoo.com/filipino-christian-group-protests-lady-gaga-shows-034354685.html
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NoOne18
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03:21 AM on 08/03/2012
Golly gee whiz: you can't bother ot inconvenience yourself to bolster the views you say are sacrosanct, so the rest of us have to by hypocrites,too, just so YOU won;t call us intolerant? No thanks.

& stop trying to pretend this is just a matter of a "difference of opinion." How would you like it if it was my "opinion" that someone should shoot you, & I would give him money to do so? You still going to "tolerate my opinion"? Cathy did that, for a group in Uganda. THAT's what you're calling on us all to tolerate.
de-meme-ing
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03:43 PM on 07/29/2012
"I believe that true tolerance can only exist in the tension of civil disagreement and dialogue."

Sorry, but that sounds like stirring the pot to me, keeping everyone in turmoil, where peace actually can exist.
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Jeremy Bursac
You're not the bossa nova me.
02:48 PM on 07/29/2012
If a business gave money to a group trying to bar fundamentalist Christians from equal marriage rights no one would be considering "tolerance." They'd be condemning that business.

And "traditional marriage' throughout Western civilization has most often meant child brides, brides as chattel, many wives or all three.

And all this transpires with the Cathy family's earlier, reported racist and anti Semitic statements over the decades.
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thorrsman
Why should I define myself by quoting others?
08:54 PM on 07/29/2012
Wrong.
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Jeremy Bursac
You're not the bossa nova me.
01:14 AM on 07/30/2012
Oh sure. Just say what is incorrect, specifically. Then I can prove you wrong.
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zenlikejen
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11:20 AM on 07/30/2012
What was "wrong" with that statement? Simply not liking it doesn't make it "wrong"....
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Believe in Blue
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10:15 AM on 07/30/2012
Could you please provide a link to these "reported racist and anti Semitic statements over the decades."
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Jeremy Bursac
You're not the bossa nova me.
02:46 PM on 07/30/2012
You mean apart from the Southern Baptist tropes that God does not hear the prayers of Jews or that Jews must "come to Jesus to be 'perfected''?

Not at the moment, but I believe the reports of such statements (in the past) by various family members is being researched. I hope to see coverage of this, but until then I should have included something like "rumors of."
02:28 PM on 07/29/2012
.....so basically what many people who are calling the Chick Fil A owner/corporations are saying is this:

Dear Christians, Muslims, and Jews:

Sorry, but you can't believe what your holy book/doctrine says about homosexuality. If you do, then you are bigoted and discriminatory!!!!!

Umm-kay, so interesting to hear living in a country which built based on religious freedom. Not only that, many liberals on HuffPost actually go a step further and proclaim from the top of the rafters: IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, YOU ARE STUPID!!!!

Talk about intolerance! As much as they refuse to accept it, they are the mirror image of the right wingers.

And the funny thing about all this (as I mentioned in a previous comment) if you think life is restricted to what science can prove, that is so easy. What did science prove 5000 years ago? What will science prove 5000 years from now?

What about a mother having a premonition about her child in danger, what about when science finally prove that there are things we can't quantify but are real none the less?

BTW, what did Steve Jobs see as he was dying?
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ydrittmann
Vitter patronizes women.
06:34 PM on 07/29/2012
The same, exact thing everyone will see as they become anoxic.
02:50 PM on 07/30/2012
Oh yeah, sure. That is why it was such a HUGE story.
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kenhamlett
10:13 AM on 07/30/2012
The Christian Bible says very little about homosexuality, and what is says mostly reflects the period in which the books were written. The condemnation of homosexuality comes in a section that also condemns eating seafood and wearing more than one type of fabric at the same time. Very importantly, neither God nor Jesus Christ ever mentioned homosexuality, and certainly did not indicate a problem with it. Humans have "interpreted" various passages and fragments of passages to support their personal prejudices, but that is all it represents. That is why a growing number of Christians realize that past condemnations have been unfair. We know now that among all the living species, homosexuality exists in the manner as with humans. God made all those species, and God does not make mistakes. I am a person of faith and a homosexual, and if and when I meet God, he will not need to ask me questions about why I am homosexual. He knew it before I did.
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01:27 PM on 07/30/2012
I'm sorry, but your second sentence is simply not true.
02:27 PM on 07/29/2012
Sure he's allowed to express his views no matter how goofy those views are,but others also have the right to boycott his business or any business that supports such views.
09:01 PM on 07/29/2012
Others ... as in other people, not as in government officials (Boston mayor, Chicago alderman, Chicago mayor, San Francisco mayor). They are completely in the wrong.
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zenlikejen
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11:40 AM on 07/30/2012
Why? To be fair - there have been communities that have bended together and banned stores like WalMart from their towns - are they wrong, as well? I know that's a little different that a mayor - but I would assume that if the people in that city *wanted* their restaurant, they can petition for it.
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Mneme
The truth shall make ye fret.
01:28 PM on 07/29/2012
You are absolutely correct Mr. Coleman, it is very important that we distinguish between strong convictions and hateful actions. You, however, seem to be having some trouble doing just this, so allow me to illustrate the difference.

Strong conviction; I believe in the biblical definition of marriage, one man and one woman. Therefore as a man, I am going to make absolutely sure I get married to a woman.

Hateful action; I believe in the biblical definition of marriage, one man and one woman. Therefore I am going to donate a considerable amount of money towards having my personal beliefs enshrined in law. I do this with the intention of forcing everybody in the United States of America to conform to my personal moral code, regardless of whether they share my beliefs and regardless of whether their actions which I find immoral actually infringe upon my human rights.

Objections to same sex marriage are not based on realistic concerns. If marriage equality posed a genuine threat to a society it would be very, VERY easy to prove because we have several working models already in existence. Attempt rational discourse on a subject with a person who is unwilling or incapable of thinking rationally about it is like asking the proverbial scorpion not to sting.
When faced with a scorpion, you do not offer it a cup of coffee and discuss the pros and cons of it stinging you - you find a heavy book and start squishing.
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NoOne18
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03:39 AM on 08/03/2012
BRILLIANT!!!
11:30 AM on 07/29/2012
Cathy's putting his money where his mouth is and that money is coming from the people who patronize his business. I don't want my money going to organizations that promote discrimination against the gay community. That's not intolerance, that's just my opinion.
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DCMike
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10:53 AM on 07/29/2012
Denying citizens marriage is not an opinion, it's an action. Giving money is not an opinion, it's an action.

Don't strike me across the face and say, "let's talk like civil human beings".

The author is merely offering the disingenuous ramblings of the privileged to comfort the privileged.

Take off the chains and then we will talk.
04:26 AM on 07/30/2012
It is an action that Chick-fil-A can legally take with their own private money that they earned through their own private business. If you don't like it, then don't give them YOUR money. Dollars are like votes. You give a company a dollar and you are voting for their success, and vice versa.
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zenlikejen
Think before you fan - I'll only offend you...
12:13 PM on 07/30/2012
That's exactly what's he's saying. The only thing I can add is that while I can agree with the notion he has the right to donate his money as he sees fit - those who patronize his business have just as much right to be bothered by where their value meal money went to if they do not agree. That's pretty much been my stance all along - I don't need the rest of the nation to boycott with me....but *I* will never set foot in another Chick-fil-A if I can help it.
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NoOne18
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03:39 AM on 08/03/2012
Dodge noted.
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NoOne18
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03:39 AM on 08/03/2012
YES!!!
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09:29 AM on 07/29/2012
I don't think the writer completely missed the point....I think he is right on. I have many friend's and co-workers who don't share my Christian values, or my opinion on many other things. I can respect them and their opinions, they do the same for me, and we are still close, love each other, and enjoy each other's company. That is tolerance. Why 'hate' is always brought into it when someone disagrees, I'll never understand. I believe most of the time it is simply ignorance. It does seem, too, as I have seen written (not necessarily on here) that the freedom to one's opinion, one's right to speak their opinion, etc is very lopsided. And, please don't take this as a gay issue because it covers so much more ground than that. Also, as Christians (this is where ignorance comes into play) and as a country founded on Christianity, people have to realize that we don't make up our own Christian 'rules' and 'laws'....they are written in our Bible and that is what we follow. Those who don't believe or follow God are very blessed to have the freedom to not be forced to....don't lose sight of that. I, myself, love and pray for everyone.
01:28 PM on 07/29/2012
I respect your right to your beliefs but that doesn't mean that I have to help you promote them....or spend my money where they give it to organizations that I don't agree with. Just stop and think about all the boycotting that Christians do because they don't agree with something because of their faith based beliefs.
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01:41 PM on 07/29/2012
You have the right to believe whatever bigoted narrow-minded thing you want. You even have the right to give money to groups trying to deny equal rights to others. However... If you own a business, and are giving profit from that business to organizations that promote hatred and bigotry, then the rest of us have every right to not patronize your business. We're not trying to silence Mr Cathy, we are choosing to not give him our money.

And as for the old lie about the US being founded on Christianity... Give me a break! Try reading an actual history book or two. Our "Founding Fathers" specifically DID NOT want religion involved in government. Our laws are not based on the Bible, and Jesus and Christianity are mentioned nowhere in the Constitution. We are, and always have been, a secular nation.

I'm glad you acknowledge that I have the right not to be forced to follow your religion, so don't try.
06:53 AM on 07/29/2012
The writer completely missed the real point. It has nothing to do with one guy's personal opinion, Cathy's statements only put a spotlight on Chick-Fil-A, and helped bring to light the real problem....a problem that will continue to be an issues: it has to do with his company's policy to give money to anti-gay groups who are trying to deny American citizens equal rights (and not just marriage, but other basics of human existence as well). That is money given to the company by paying customers. And that is the issue that has gay supporters fighting back. If it was just his comments, the blogs would declare him a jerk and move on. But, the real fight is attacking the company for using its resources to deny others their rights.
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10:42 PM on 07/29/2012
Some people want to put on a show called "woe is me people are persecuting me because of my Christian beliefs". Just because we are tired of the Christians constantly trying to run the show and force their beliefs on everyone else and not letting them do so anymore they are all of sudden being discriminated against. Give me a break. They want to continually deny others civil rights. Remember during the civil rights stuggle they tried to keep blacks down and some still are doing so. Now, gays are the last group that is coming out from their control and they are trying to hold on.