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TrinidaddeGuerreros
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09:58 PM on 08/14/2012
This whole incident is nothing but horrible. My dogs would lunge if uniformed policemen approached me as I was laying there ill. I would hate to think someone would just kill them without realizing they were instinctively protecting me. My neighbor for a time was schizophrenic and when he'd go off his meds and begin having "episodes" we would know because his dog would suddenly become more aggressive. He would bark at us as if to warn us to stay away from his house. He knew his master wasn't right and didn't want us to be around. I think in some ways he was trying to protect us too. Seeing the picture of that poor injured dog breaks my heart.
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Wrench Turner
Fuhgeddaboutit...
10:38 PM on 08/14/2012
Yeah but this guy was supposedly OD'ing, if they didn't get him to a hospital he could die.
11:37 PM on 08/14/2012
They stood around for (7-8 min in a video posted) forcing people away as 10 -15 more cops arrive, yet no one even walked over to the guy on the sidewalk.
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carnegie
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02:41 AM on 08/15/2012
Supposedly? Where did you hear that?

It does not say that in the article.
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JamesBondQuixote
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09:32 PM on 08/14/2012
Sad, sad, sad, on all accounts. Sad that the poor dog was shot and left to bleed. Sad that its owner had a seizure and could not care for/keep control of her animal at that moment in a public place. Sad that the dog became agitated by the situation (owner in trouble, and both of them in an unsafe environment). Sad that the policeman who shot the dog did not care to think of its welfare despite the unfortunate need (and even more unfortunate method) for him to defend against the agitated dog. There is just so much tragedy in that whole situation -- now the dog is hurting, lost its owner (due to owner's incapacity), lost its home (if it even had one, since the article says owner was a "drifter". But a dog cares more for companionship than a roof over its head -- testament to a dog's innate loyalty and capacity for love.) I hurt for that poor doggie. It's a pit bull, yes, but all critters deserve happiness, not tragic pain.
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PBNewcomer267
09:23 PM on 08/14/2012
now if only they would be able to shoot human murderers and rapists as easily as this.
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OutToLunch
veni, vidi, i'm outta here.....
10:13 PM on 08/14/2012
oh, they've no time for criminals - they're too busy with stop-and-frisks (and sometimes they even find some weed!!)
01:53 AM on 08/15/2012
well they did take about 850 guns off the street
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PBNewcomer267
09:06 AM on 08/15/2012
i'm totally for stop & frisk. if you lived in a crime-ridden hood, you would be too unless you were a fool.
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Colin Carlisle
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09:17 PM on 08/14/2012
NYPD rarely gets the chance to use their weapons in action, seems to me like the cop may have been itching to use firearm in a situation that may or may not have needed it. More info is needed but this should have been the absolute last course of action, attacking dogs are scary though so it could go either way. An outstanding cop would have tried to restrain it before putting a bullet in its eye.
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Wrench Turner
Fuhgeddaboutit...
10:39 PM on 08/14/2012
Yeah have fun restraining a pitbull...
08:39 PM on 08/14/2012
This is disgusting and I know that the breed of the dog would justify why it had to be shot, but I do not agree with that. Not every pitbull is dangerous and after all that particular breed is very protective of their owners. NYPD is full of uneducated, very stupid incompetent men and women who would not qualify to clean cages in a kennel. Again, it is an abuse of power that the Mayor condones and supports. The Mayor needs to know that his officers are out of control and very dangerous. I wonder will he be on TV with Commissioner Kelly, like he was with that cop that got shot? Give me a break, it is part of the job and you know what you sign up for when you become a cop, however, callousness and brutality should not be part of it
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lifeandvictory
The real truth is such and needs to be told.
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Wrench Turner
Fuhgeddaboutit...
10:40 PM on 08/14/2012
So you'd let the homeless guy OD and die rather than shoot the dog?
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carnegie
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02:45 AM on 08/15/2012
Why do you keep coming up with this story?
imayes
Is that John Wayne? R U Me?
08:22 PM on 08/14/2012
This is just a bad situation all around. The dog was only protecting its owner (as many dogs would do). The cops were protecting themselves (which is their right). The only thing I think the cops did wrong was to not put the do down quickly. After shooting it initially they should not have let it suffer.
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lifeandvictory
The real truth is such and needs to be told.
09:11 PM on 08/14/2012
Dumbest comment on the board. There are a myriad of things that could have been done. This is called, " I wanted to shoot a dog. "
09:38 PM on 08/14/2012
Dumbest response on the board. Clearly Imayes was taking an objective opinion and was entitled to it. You on the other hand have taken a virulently subjective approach and decided to "have a go" with the first person you disagreed with.

Pathetic.
09:27 PM on 08/14/2012
No, not true. The dog cd have been tranquilized. There are other ways of subduing a dog or a person. he dog did not have a gun. What about a tazer. Or, don't approach the owner. Even the most domesticated dog will protect its owner if it perceiver a threat. Then, to shoot the dog in the eye! Cops who can't shoot straight. It's a 40lb dog! There was another case where cops mistakenly went into the house of a politician. The family dogs, which were retievers, tried to protect their home and were shot dead. Innocent family pets! Cops just think they can shoot anything and ask questions later. Disgusting.Maybe the only thing that homeless man had was that dog. Don't they have more important things to do?
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09:55 PM on 08/14/2012
Your post reminds me of a poster I saw on the wall of my vet's office. In part it said (speaking from the dog's perspective): "Before you hit me or hurt me in anyway just remember that I could easily hurt you if I wanted to... but I choose not to." Or something like that. So true. We have to remember that we speak different languages so what they do innocently or out of duty can seem menacing to us and vice versa.
imayes
Is that John Wayne? R U Me?
11:12 AM on 08/15/2012
But what about the guy having convulsions? Are the first responders supposed to wait for animal control before attending to the guy needing medical attention?
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RedBirdy
A right delayed is a right denied
08:07 PM on 08/14/2012
Poor little guy.
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wkingsolomon77
09:42 PM on 08/14/2012
They like dogs in china
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carnegie
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02:47 AM on 08/15/2012
go to helllll please
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eletryxx
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08:02 PM on 08/14/2012
Fully establishing both were a threat to the public:

A ton of outrage for this, maybe even protests in the street. And the guy shot in Times Square? Nada.
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lifeandvictory
The real truth is such and needs to be told.
08:39 PM on 08/14/2012
What guy in TS? When?
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eletryxx
squiggly lightning bolt
09:23 PM on 08/14/2012
Saturday
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MorpheusXNYC
Artist, web designer, writer, rationalist
08:55 PM on 08/14/2012
That's because dogs rank higher in American society than Black males.
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eletryxx
squiggly lightning bolt
09:23 PM on 08/14/2012
Pretty much.
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wkingsolomon77
09:42 PM on 08/14/2012
lawd Jesus u done said something
07:38 PM on 08/14/2012
THERE IS FAR TOO LITTLE IN THE REPORTING TO REACH ANY CONCLUSION REGARDING PROPER PROTOCOL.   What seems clear is that this dog was of the temperament that it should have been muzzled when out on the street.  Failing that, we must know more to justify or condemn the police action.
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ceccm
meah see
07:52 PM on 08/14/2012
reports from locals were that the dog was well behaved for weeks before that. owner was having a seizure so the dog was freaking out. shame to shoot something for helping its owner when the police could have, oh i dont know, called animal control when being called about a barking dog?
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Wrench Turner
Fuhgeddaboutit...
10:42 PM on 08/14/2012
They were called because the guy had supposedly OD'd, it'd be worse if he had OD'd and died because no one wanted to hurt the dog.
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lifeandvictory
The real truth is such and needs to be told.
08:41 PM on 08/14/2012
No there's not, why wasn't anyone else "attacked" BEFORE they got there? Huh? Answer that. Were the cops just sitting there with the guy until he started seizing? There were people there and he only bothered them? THAT is enough evidence for me.
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ur2nutty4me
07:21 PM on 08/14/2012
How much of this crap with the out of control cops is it going to take before we reel them and their toys in. This shot first ask questions later mentality we can get much cheaper then 135,000.00 thousand a year. I bet if it was a OWS protester they would have finished them off.
07:48 PM on 08/14/2012
Are you kidding me? A pitbull lunges and they aren't expected to shoot?
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lifeandvictory
The real truth is such and needs to be told.
08:55 PM on 08/14/2012
No.
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ur2nutty4me
09:17 PM on 08/14/2012
Say's them and why did they not call animal control. And like others say where are all the non lethal weapons we all here about. They have more weapons then a third world country.
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WADRGFY
07:10 PM on 08/14/2012
You only become a cop if you're too stupid to do anything else.... especially in NY.
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08:18 PM on 08/14/2012
I'll send you an application
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OutToLunch
veni, vidi, i'm outta here.....
09:40 PM on 08/14/2012
well, it also helps to be slightly sadistic and/or have an inferiority complex...
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WilhelmKein
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10:47 PM on 08/14/2012
Is it still an inferiority "complex" if they are demonstrably inferior?
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raymondjiii
Cats rule
09:21 AM on 08/15/2012
It helps if you have failed anger management 101 as well. This NYPD bozo seems to have been a summa cum laude candidate in that area.
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ANuttyReader
07:05 PM on 08/14/2012
really? the owner is having a seizure, the dog is protecting the owner - naturally - and the dog gets shot? given the results, would we not agree that the dog had reasons for concern?

how about tranquilizers? calling animal control? we are after all intelligent people, we should be able to come up with an intelligent solution, and shooting the animal is not the intelligent solution.

call animal control on the angry mob, take them away.
07:16 PM on 08/14/2012
Its a *pitbull*. It (reportedly) lunged at officers. Do a search on how many people have been mauled or killed by pitbulls. Dont blame the police. Blame the people who insist on breeding these things and keeping them as pets.
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ceccm
meah see
07:45 PM on 08/14/2012
police was called in because of barking dog, why was animal control not brought in? defend the police all you want, if you are scared to handle a dog, dont, get someone that does it for a living.....shooting things is no real solution to all cops' problems. story also noted the guy had been there for at least a few weeks and witnesses from the area noted the dog not being a problem ever. his owner was having a seizure, of course the dog will freak out to get attention.... again if someone calls 911 because of a dog why bring an officer with a GUN instead of dog stick??? its fn stupid
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ANuttyReader
07:49 PM on 08/14/2012
Pit bulls are a nice breed of dogs that have gotten a bad rap from people that use them for fighting and train them to be aggressive. 
If there is any danger here is to animals from humans that cage, kill and abuse animals on a daily basis. So people get hurt or killed by a dog, it never amounts to the thousands of animals we kill, abuse and exterminate in one day.
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fumes
Old black water, keep on rollin'
07:32 PM on 08/14/2012
''we are after all intelligent people''
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there's the rub:

were that true..

you would have never said that
07:49 PM on 08/14/2012
Thomas is completely correct. A pit lunging is reason enought to shoot. Period. Fumes, you are wrong.
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fumes
Old black water, keep on rollin'
07:03 PM on 08/14/2012
the dog was caught smoking pot..

so the officers did the only reasonable thing under those circumstances
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Marcin A Mazurek
You live and learn. At any rate, you live. - D.A
05:50 PM on 08/14/2012
Again.
Where
The
Hell
Do
Their
NON LETHAL
State Bought
Weapons
GO

Not that a Taser has a "Dog" setting but I mean, bullets? Really?

Also - Just damn well Call Animal Control next time.
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Wrench Turner
Fuhgeddaboutit...
10:47 PM on 08/14/2012
NYPD patrolmen don't have tasers, only sergeants carry them. so you'd just wait around for animal control while the owner OD's? Come on that guy needed help and the dog was trying to hurt the people who were called to help him.
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raymondjiii
Cats rule
09:23 AM on 08/15/2012
I think it's a bit of stretch to call the NYPD "people."
10:58 AM on 08/15/2012
Did the cops know that there was a dog there when they got the call? If so, they had no excuse to NOT have non-lethal weapons on hand to control the dog. Kind of a no brainer. You are going to a scene where a dog is trying to protect its sick owner, and you have to figure you will need to restrain the dog somehow so that you can help the owner asap.