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skyeagle
Fatto Bene
08:30 PM on 08/16/2012
Self inflicted woe. Addict cure yourself, just walk away! It has been done.
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george martini
I wasn’t always this introverted.
11:16 PM on 08/16/2012
Strong willed people like someone I know did it. Walk away, and don't look back.
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03:19 AM on 08/17/2012
Are you really that stupid? after your earlier posts I guess you are.
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sheahananne2
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02:11 AM on 08/17/2012
"Self inflicted woe?" Hmmm. Not really - yes, the first use (and quite probably a few after that) is by choice - I don't deny it, I agree wholeheartedly; however, at some point during that initial stage of use, the choice wasn't there anymore. Once the brain chemistry is altered there is no more choice. Until, one day you realize you either stop or you die. There are so many who don't live long enough to make that realization; and, unfortunately, statements like yours may not make sense to an addict new to recovery. It takes some years for the brain to "re-wire" the pathways, clear out the haze, and begin to question and look for the answers. In order to understand it - you have to go through it. I'm not trying to insult you, please don't think that, but there are very few who can "just walk away" - some of us realize we need a bit more help than that. When someone who is just starting on their recovery journey, reads a statement like that; they think "Yeah, ok, I'm strong. I can just walk away." When that doesn't work for them, they are back out there, worse than they were when they stopped. If you are interested, here is a link - check it out.

National Institute for Drug Abuse (NIDA) (2007). Drugs, Brains & Behavior: The science of addiction. NIH Pub Number: 10-5605, April 2007, revised August 2010. Publication accessed via http://www.drugabuse.gov/scienceofaddiction/.
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Fatto Bene
12:54 PM on 08/17/2012
All they have to do is WALK away. Cancer patients would wish for that choice. Typiccal bleeding heart liberal reply.
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TXfemmom
Grandma with eye on the future
07:01 PM on 08/16/2012
This fellow did a really good job of explaining the variables in this.  I am suffering from post-concussion syndrome, from a really nasty concussion, and it has disturbed (and in this case I feel I can use "wiring" appropriately) my ability to slurp up these scientific medical issues like a sponge, which was the case prior to the concussion. 

However, there is a large difference in treating a long term, established addiction to opiates, and treating someone with a drug which prevents the "high" part of the drug when administered with the medication as treatment just begins.  Perhaps, it might prove useful to administer along with opiates in a situation where a known opiate addict needs the pain-management only offered via opiates.  Administration of the mirror drug could block the "high" response but not the MU receptors which are the pain fibers.

Additionally, if one is in a situation where one needs to use opiates for an extended period of time, administration of the drug could block the part of addiction associated with the "high" and perhaps avoid addiction from becoming a problem.  However, the way the original report was done and the headline reporting it was just ignorant.  Often, the reporters who do the medical reports lack the skills to understand what they are reporting and they just want to get a headline so they jazz it up. 

I really wish I didn't have to read and reread and go so slowly through the scientific things as I do now, and would much prefer to be able to just soak it up and be able to understand it and absorb it into permanent memory as I could prior to the head injury.  I thought I understood concussions and the accompanying problems, as I had read about it for years and did neurologic anesthesia for very complicated cases, but believe me, I did not.  The concussion knocked out my ability to do math, as in algebra and math I had used for fifty years, my ability to remember any numbers I hear, rather than see, my ability to type or spell at first, and so many small things.  Even after having done grueling work in an attempt to regain my abilities, some things still escape me, and it makes me wonder how much damage our soldiers have experienced from concussions and explosions and I can now understand a good deal of what they may be undergoing.
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03:24 AM on 08/17/2012
Been on pain meds from the VA for over 40 years, I will take the addiction so I can live with the pain. Chronic pain is worse than a death sentence and anyone who says I should just walk away is insane. Tried it and it was horrible.
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TXfemmom
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11:14 AM on 08/17/2012
You know what, I know what you're talking about. Since my injury, I now completely understand what chronic, ever present, deep pain does to a person. It takes away who the person is, prevents relationships from forming or thriving, and takes away any quality of life. I hear you and I think you are doing the right thing. The problem lies with the system which is usually just pitiful in accepting that some people are going to need narcotics in high enough levels to control their pain, and they deserve to have it controlled however high the dosage. Pain management is arguably the least managed thing within American medicine.
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certmuff
06:56 PM on 08/16/2012
if they can cure a physical addiction that is only 1/2 of it- you have to get at the psychological-coping mechanisms to maintain sobriety- an addict is not ever cured- they only maintain sobriety
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SLM89
Don't just look outside the box, change the box
11:17 PM on 08/16/2012
Amen ....only one on here that knows what addiction is..
12:05 AM on 08/17/2012
like you SLM? Are you a doctor? What med schoold did you attend?
06:38 PM on 08/16/2012
lets just hope its true, even if it cant (in the long run) hold up its claim then hopefully it can be used to help the addict to maintain his sobriety. I know there will be those out there just like emotionally disturbed people who don't take their psychotropic medications, who choose to self medicate with drugs or alcohol, but the bottom line here is that there maybe help for those caught in the devastating, life threatening grip of addiction and help of any kind is a good thing right?
With nicotine addiction its my understanding that the same receptors in the brain that get you high from opiods are the same receptors that is used by nicotine, could this drug eventually be used to assist with addiction to nicotine? I quit smoking after a 40 year addiction of 1 and 1/2 packs a day by this laser treatment that actually worked and i have been nicotine free for 7 years now. The promise was with this laser treatment you would become a non-smoker in one day and it worked. It did not take away the emotional need for a cigerette but it did take away the physical need. I was a non-smoker in one day with no withdrawal. The programs were immediately closed down after tobacco industry found out how well it worked.
Anyway drug dealers dont have powerful corporation/ lobbyists to stop the use of this medication should it live up to their claim.
06:17 PM on 08/16/2012
I appreciate Scicurious' deconstruction of Hutchinson's et al. paper vs. the media's twist on what it's about. I read "New Scientist" and similar along w/J. Neuroscience abstract (no $ for entire text-- sci journal articles--in entire, not just abstracts--are the internet I want to be free) and was wondering how anyone could come to conclusion that a cure for addictions had been found. The Australian Broadcasting Co.'s "Asia Now" program (on at 3 a.m. on CBC1 in Victoria BC area) did story on a couple of nights ago, which I heard in a groggy 3:50 a.m. Altho' Scicurious does mention immune system involvement, the ABC story emphasized the paradigm change in assessing a "glymphoma" immune response over a strictly neural response to opioids--which has been theory of what is cause of addiction and the putative target of more advanced addiction treatment (unfortunately, 12-step programs, for most part, haven't even got to neuro-system involvement yet; they're still paying homage to the voodoo of will and powerlessness [that's bound to raise a few hackles] as most important.) Transcript for the ABC version, the headline to which makes same over-reaching conclusion, is: http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/program/connect-asia/scientists-make-drug-addiction-treatment-breakthrough/999662
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iowastate
05:28 PM on 08/16/2012
scientists claim is used quite often - they have claimed to be able to clone and that was debunked - the "scientists" are are almost never named because then credentials would come into play - have claimed to be able to both prove and disprove climate change and the theory of evolution - yet arguments continue - if either was proven one way or the other why do people still need to discuss the issue?

this fall under the classification of:
It MUST be true I read it on the Internetz! Where people never, ever lie to you O_O
06:21 PM on 08/16/2012
If you follow clues in a half-reliable general audience media source, like some prof's name and maybe institution he/she is associated with, you can generally find the actual source. Don't be a passive internet user. And, in science, "it ain't over 'til it's over." Whatever the issue, discussion, argument is
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ranwolf1976
Demons run, when a good man goes to war.
02:07 AM on 08/17/2012
why are people still arguing? To paraphrase the character Blade: "Some knuckleheads are always trying to ski uphill."
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iowastate
09:37 PM on 08/17/2012
that was my point
309montreal
O.M.G. Obama must go
04:56 PM on 08/16/2012
naloxone has long been used to stop alcohol abuse dead in its tracks. alcoholics choose to attend a.a. rather than simply take apill to CURE them. Perhaps a.a's 1% success rate has something to do with that. It's like confession, drink then go to ameeting and feel better about yourself.
05:59 PM on 08/16/2012
Going to a meeting and talking about drinking doesn't seem to be the way to avoid drinking
09:03 PM on 08/16/2012
AA meetings do not focus on drinking. The focus is to correct the behavior that makes people drink excessively in the first place. Attend an open meeting or an Al Anon meeting broaden your knowledge of the affliction. I have.
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sheahananne2
"Easy boys, Daddy's working."
02:25 AM on 08/17/2012
Because there is NO CURE! If the alcoholic who chose to take the pill, stops taking the pill, what do you have? An alcoholic who is no longer hiding his/her addiction under medication. There is no cure for addiction (and alcoholism is, imo, an addiction as well), there is only recovery. The only cure for my addiction is when I am twelve feet under with a tombstone over my head! However, until that time, I choose to be a recovering addict - big difference!
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sindfetish
opinions are like___we all have em
04:53 PM on 08/16/2012
I missed something...Just what does the Black Eyed Peas video have to do with this story?
04:34 PM on 08/16/2012
I would take this stuff if it would help me quit smoking Cigs !!!
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azmikede
Abandon Hope all ye that enter here.
05:54 PM on 08/16/2012
Try Chantix. It blocks the Receptors and you don't get the Dopamine Rush !
06:22 PM on 08/16/2012
In 10-15-20 years when it's available.
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whoknew222
I learn something new every day.
11:32 PM on 08/16/2012
It is available but I don't think most doctors are aware of it or that enough research has been done to show a success rate.
04:27 PM on 08/16/2012
Why did the press hype the "addiction cure" angle rather than the more promising pain suppression of the drug? No brainer there--there is a so-called war on drugs going on; there is no war on pain. Also, no one worries about encountering a person in pain in a dark alley. The press hypes what sells, not necessarily what is important.
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oldwarhorse
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03:56 PM on 08/16/2012
spent 20 years as an addictions counselor and am always skeptical of a "cure" for any chemical dependenc. This study indicates a cure and thats a little far fetched. Over the years i would ask my patients this question, "if a medication were discovered that could stop all your cravings, would you use it?" The number who said no was high and I was not surprised. Addiction to the lifestyle of an addict is hard to break, as is their mindset toward recovery. The reward of the effects of the users drug of choice will far outweigh the desire to be abstinent... why would they take a drug that negated those effects?
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Robert Kyte
04:02 PM on 08/16/2012
Ever hear of someone using marijuana to kick the habit of crack cocaine ? I've heard people say that can also be done .just curious
06:03 PM on 08/16/2012
Nah, crack cocaine is one of the first steps into harder addiction after marijuana
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oldwarhorse
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11:32 PM on 08/16/2012
never heard that one but there are probably a study or two out there that make that claim..I suspect they were conducted by pot smokers... lol
05:10 PM on 08/16/2012
always people trying to make $$$ selling pills/products/cures/snake oil as the EASIER SOFTER WAY for addicts to change-without changing.
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11:41 PM on 08/16/2012
Hi there you sound like a friend of Bill ... me too for over 27 years. I agree with your idea. Alway somebody looking for big govt. grant money to do research.... my fondest hope is that someday there will be a cure for all chemical dependencies but that is a long way away I think. Until then I will continue to suggest 12 step programs as the best way to deal with addictions in the long run. Worked for me and thats good enough for me.... God grant me the serenity!
03:55 PM on 08/16/2012
One small error in your article - methadone DOES get you high.
08:47 PM on 08/16/2012
So true. Methadone is highly addictive as well.
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mPowerServices
People are fickle...fanned today, gone 2morrow
03:41 PM on 08/16/2012
Totally agreed. People who are taking Methadone and Suboxone will still use heroin or other opiates right along with taking it and I suspect that is what will happen with this drug.
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John L Myers IV
99% of statistics are made up.
06:14 PM on 08/16/2012
You're right; my cousin sells me, and others, his Suboxone so he can buy crack, but that doesn't change the fact that the Suboxone works. It stops the physical pain and craving, though as the article states, or tries to state, it doesn't stop the mental craving or the desire to change your state of mind.
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02:21 PM on 08/16/2012
I blame society before I blame addiction.
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Tim Day
Am I waiting to Live or Waiting to Die.....
12:36 PM on 08/16/2012
Suboxone works better...How old is this article ?
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waynochris
02:55 PM on 08/16/2012
Suboxone is actually a combination of bupenorphine and naloxone. Maybe thats why its effective!
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mPowerServices
People are fickle...fanned today, gone 2morrow
03:42 PM on 08/16/2012
Yes but many addicts abuse suboxone. And many just take it then go ahead and take whatever opiates they are addicted to right on top of it.