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HellBank
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06:39 AM on 08/17/2012
I'm happy with any high school band director who doesn't grope the students.
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Stephen Stafford
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06:22 AM on 08/17/2012
My heart goes out to him. Hopefully the third time will be his charm.

What is interesting to me is the relationship between math and music. Music helps one do better in math in many instances. Who knows, it may have with him as well. He might just be really lousy, and music brought him up, too.

There are always some great people whose skills are not adequately gauged by current assessment methods.
06:16 AM on 08/17/2012
There are so many stupid people given teachers jobs. Higher education has been dumbed down to accommodate the stupid and minorities because it is based on a rating system now. The high schools are pushing stupid kids out the graduation door and telling them they are ready for college. What a joke. The U. S. will be a third world country because of this.
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stopnlisten
Simplify, simplify!
06:16 AM on 08/17/2012
So everyone posting can do algebra well at any time? I would have to study because it's been 35 years ago that was introduced to and understood the major concepts.. Perhaps we should have the same requirements of all politicians who make this legislation.
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06:23 AM on 08/17/2012
Yep, don't we all use quadratic equations day in and day out?
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newworldman777
What would our future 7th generation think of us?
07:07 AM on 08/17/2012
Teaching is a profession that requires a bachelor's degree, and everyone posting is not a college graduate with a professional job. Proficiency in basic algebra is usually a requirement of anyone who attends college and acquires a 4-year degree in education, music, or whatever curriculum one must major in to become a teacher. I became fairly proficient in algebra in high school (algebra I & II) and became even more proficient at it in college. But even without a degree, I could probably score higher on this test than 90% of these teachers; and yet, I could never get a teaching job, or any other professional job, for that matter, being relegated to mundane, low-paying jobs for the past 30 years. Go figure.
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Dede Eagleburger
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11:27 AM on 08/17/2012
I don't know if you meant to, but you made the argument for why this is so ridiculous...a score on one test doesn't make you a teacher, and it shouldn't not make you one, either...
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CA Maestro
Am I teacher of music, or a musician who teaches?
05:16 AM on 08/17/2012
I would be interested to know how effective he is on the podium, baton in hand. Most people have a hard time assessing whether or not a band director is doing their job right - you can field a big band and bring home a lot of trophies and still teach very little about music. Hard to tell with this guy - doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb in the box, but that's making assumptions.

Makes me wonder if a school would threaten the job of a championship-winning football coach over such a test.
10:54 PM on 08/16/2012
Good he should resign is one feeling I have but then again I wonder how many teachers have to demonstrate their ability and knowledge with teaching music shouldn't it go both ways. Thus I have mixed feelings. Doesn't seem fair that they don't have to show competence in that area. Like he has to be able to do something outside his knowledge level. So should they. Music is a hard area for those that have ever tried to play an instrument knows.
05:17 PM on 08/16/2012
I don't know where Mr. Dolar went to school, or what the core requirements are for all students seeking a bachelor's degree in music. I have a degree in music and all students at the time were required to take college algebra or a higher math. Of course that was a half century ago. I assume the requirements are the same today.
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08:27 PM on 08/16/2012
Marc:

A degree in Music, is much different that a degree in Education, with a speciality in Music.

Many of the liberal arts requirements are not required.
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CA Maestro
Am I teacher of music, or a musician who teaches?
05:26 AM on 08/17/2012
Actually, the vast majority of music teachers were music majors, especially secondary teachers. The music ed degree is actually thicker than performance majors, because of the pedagogy classes.
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07:31 AM on 08/17/2012
He went to Rutgers.
03:29 PM on 08/16/2012
Where are thw teachers unions when you need them.
03:29 PM on 08/16/2012
Teachers get screwed again. If he doesn't teach math leave him alone. He has been teaching all this time. This is probably a way for the government to bring people over from China to start teaching our kids, as soon as we say we have a teacher shortage here.
06:36 AM on 08/17/2012
I disagree. I teach social studies, but I also volunteer with an after-school program for at-risk kids and I routinely help kids during study halls. I hep students with their work in many subjects. Shouldn't every professional teacher be able to demonstrate the basic skills of a high school graduate? I say, no pass - no class.
02:52 PM on 08/16/2012
I think what many people are missing as well is the fact that many schools are now in a financial bind and looking for ways to dump teachers with higher salaries. If they purge a few here and there with test requirements, and either don't replace them or replace them with teachers at the bottom of the pay scale, that's a win for their bottom line.
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02:38 PM on 08/16/2012
If we truly want a test for teachers, it would have to include medical knowledge (how many accidents happen in the classroom); advanced psychology and psychiatry (teachers are expected to recognize various psychological and psychiatric problems, such as suicidal tendencies, learning disabilities, symptoms of abuse at home, head lice, neglect, drug abuse, etc); general mechanics (what teacher hasn't had to fix stuff in the classroom, due to lack of funding? Chairs, lights, floor tiles, door knobs); computer programming (let's talk about the computerized grading data systems now used); martial arts (ever break up a gang fight?), etc. But no, Florida wants to make certain that they put teachers in their place. Make them take a test. Then, the legislators can blame the unions that allow these losers into the classrooms.
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02:32 PM on 08/16/2012
If they want those kind of standards, maybe they should apply to all government jobs, especially the legislature. After all, the legislators have more of an impact on children, and all of us, than a band teacher on a child's algebra education.
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Seiena Cyrus
02:32 PM on 08/16/2012
I wonder if the man has a math disorder. I know I'd score badly on math tests without a calculator to do basic math. Course I also swap numbers sometimes too which makes it even more difficult. Tests like this generally don't make accommodations for the disabled too.
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02:39 PM on 08/16/2012
Standardized tests do not test intelligence or teaching skills, or even knowledge. Ask any professional that has to take one. The bar exam doesn't test legal knowledge, it tests a person's ability to game the test.
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Dede Eagleburger
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11:30 AM on 08/17/2012
there's a math disorder?? maybe that's what I have...
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Seiena Cyrus
01:30 PM on 08/17/2012
yup I have Discalculia. Which refers to a range of mathematics related troubles.
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02:10 PM on 08/16/2012
While I agree some basic skills in the 3 Rs is important to any person ,requireing a higher level of all subjects to teach one is not a good strategy. I think in order to teach they should have to pass an exam on what they intend to teach . All people will do better in one subject than an other. Why stop them from teaching what they do well. It is better to be taught a subject by someone that excels at it (dispite of subjects) than to be taught that subject by someone who is mediocre in many subjects. We should strive to get teachers that are the best in their field ( key words" in their field")
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Dede Eagleburger
Beauty is in the eye of the makeup brush holder
02:15 PM on 08/16/2012
Thank you!! I teach history and would probably do badly on a math test like that too, not everyone can be good at everything...
06:37 AM on 08/17/2012
I teach history and can do high school level math.
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April Elisabeth Markov
02:41 PM on 08/16/2012
NCLB wants teachers to be qualified in their field only, not multiple fields. The DOE actually states above they want teachers to be able to move around. If a teacher wants to become a principal, here in Ohio they take classes. We don't force people to test outside their field. I only took the 3 credit mandatory math class in college, Math for the Liberal Arts. I didn't take College Algebra. Good thing I'm only interested in subbing.
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06:02 PM on 08/16/2012
SHH Don't tell the DOE Teachers are individual people not interchangeable parts.
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Early Cuyler
DO NOT TOUCH THE TRIM !!!!!
12:39 PM on 08/16/2012
math, science, all jibber jabbber..............NOW being able to strum a banjo on the front porch of a shack......................Now thats an ed..jew..kation
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Banjo Mike
02:17 PM on 08/16/2012
I don't think I've ever strummed my banjo, just for the record!
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Early Cuyler
DO NOT TOUCH THE TRIM !!!!!
03:30 PM on 08/16/2012
Figger-O-Speech........banjo