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Naor
03:27 PM on 08/23/2012
So people are angry at Lieberman for speaking the obvious truth? There will be no agreed peace between Israel and Abbas, anyone who says otherwise is lying to appeal to the masses.
05:25 PM on 08/23/2012
Abbas will wait for this right-wing/anti-peace gov't to go down the toilet and then deal with a more moderate Israeli administration.
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
05:32 PM on 08/23/2012
Abbas may have the opportunity to deal with the next gov't. And the one after that and the one after that.
Although I think if they aren't going to hold elections, he should really pick a more appropriate title than "prime minister". "Despot in Chief" sounds a little hokey. How about "Colonel"? It worked for Qaddafi.
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Eric Nepgen
Restiamo Umani
04:00 AM on 08/24/2012
Question......If Israel is so scared of Hamas taking over in the WB or even the PA/PLO.....then why don't they negotiate with the "moderate" ones who are still in Power now ?
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notmisaacm
Speaking truth to power
10:12 AM on 08/23/2012
Lieberman is a clown, but he has this one right. Abbas has no interest in peace, and is a corrupt ruler way past his prime. With Obama in the White House, there might have been an opportunity for a peace treaty, but Abbas has squandered that chance. He really has no interest in peace. He and his family are getting rich, so why spoil a good thing?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/05/the_brothers_abbas
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Rianna
09:37 AM on 08/23/2012
Lieberman should perhaps try hard to mind his own business, and leave the Palestinian people to choose their own leaders. The Palestinians have had enough of Israel and it's neighborliness and fake show of good will.

No rational person will take what Lieberman seriously when he himself appears to have a not so stellar record:

New York Times 17 January 2012

In 2009, Mr. Lieberman came under investigation for the business practices of a company owned by his daughter, including allegations of money laundering, fraud and breach of trust. The police have said they believe that the daughter, Michal Lieberman, was serving as a front for her father.

In April 2011, Israel’s attorney general announced his intention to indict Mr. Lieberman on corruption charges, but said he would allow Mr. Lieberman a hearing to contest an indictment before issuing a formal charge sheet.

The charges against Mr. Lieberman, which he vigorously denies, have been 15 years in the making and involve accusations that the company was used to funnel illicit gifts and contributions. The expected formal charges are money laundering and fraud.

The hearing began on Jan. 17, 2012. If an indictment is handed down, Mr. Lieberman would not be obliged to resign his positions of foreign minister and leader of his ultra-nationalist party, Yisrael Beiteinu. But he has said a number of times that he might step down from those posts to concentrate on his defense.
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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
09:00 AM on 08/23/2012
And I thought Abbas was Likud's puppet..?.. He must not have paid 100% obeisance to his Israeli masters.
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
09:06 AM on 08/23/2012
Or maybe Abbas ISN'T Likud's puppet.
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borislavn
Come home with your shield or on it
02:42 PM on 08/23/2012
I thought you were smarter then your horse, apparently I was wrong.
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
08:17 AM on 08/23/2012
Reposting to top of the thread.

Lieberman is right. Abbas is absolutely an obstacle to peace. Just yesterday Abbas declared there would be no peace until Jerusalem was ethnically cleansed of Jews.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/no-peace-or-security-until-settlers-leave-jerusalem-abbas-says/

""Jerusalem is a Muslim and Christian city, and there will be neither peace nor security until the Israeli occupation, settlements, and settlers leave the city, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Tuesday.""
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Eric Nepgen
Restiamo Umani
09:48 AM on 08/23/2012
Times of Israel.....what a credible, unbiased source.

And btw......he was talking about JEWISH SETTLERS, not Jews altogether.
Read your own quote from the article again......
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
09:54 AM on 08/23/2012
If he was talking about only Jewish settlers, why did he say that "Jerusalem is a Muslim and Christian city"?

Why are you defending such obvious racism and apartheid?
02:23 PM on 08/24/2012
Except that the only Jews now living there are considered "settlers" because the Jews who formerly lived there prior to 1948 under the Jordanian occupation were expelled and removed and their homes and synagogues burned down or expropriated so Abbas is really calling for the removal of all Jews from the city.
06:31 AM on 08/23/2012
I think the world, who wants to see the Two-State solution realised, would want Israel's most right-wing/anti-peace government ousted.
08:51 AM on 08/23/2012
I think the Palestinians, who don't want to see the Two-State solution realized, should start putting their money where their mouth is if they claim to value democracy.

(BTW, in case you haven't noticed, "the world" is not such a big fan of Hamas. You know, the supposed representatives of the Palestinian people.)
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Eric Nepgen
Restiamo Umani
09:50 AM on 08/23/2012
"Hamas. You know, the supposed representatives of the Palestinian people"

Horse manure......

As if i was saying....Shas, the Legitimate representatives of ALL Israelis....
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Sam7even
You're either with Humanity or you're not.
04:42 PM on 08/23/2012
Gaza tried democracy and was punished for it!!
09:26 AM on 08/23/2012
Fortunately, Israel's future is not up to "the world". (On the other hand, the future of the world may certainly be tied to that of Israel.)
09:37 AM on 08/23/2012
Why is the world's future tied up to Israel? The thought depresses me!
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
09:40 AM on 08/23/2012
The world's future is not tied to any country.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
06:19 AM on 08/23/2012
Nothing wrong with calling for elections that are long overdue. Whether it' was wise to do so is another matter altogether.
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borislavn
Come home with your shield or on it
12:16 PM on 08/23/2012
They may bring Hamas to power in WB.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
05:01 PM on 08/23/2012
That would - I think - be the end of Hamas.
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brainlego
Mitt: Bain damaged
10:28 PM on 08/22/2012
Obstacles to peace: Bulldozers and illegal occupations.
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Rianna
11:16 PM on 08/22/2012
On the subject of Bulldozers, according to Haaretz, the US ambassador to Israel has informed the Corrie family, that the Israel investigation into Rachel Corrie's death was
unsatisfactory.
Anyone surprised? My condolences to the Corrie family. They have suffered too much.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-israeli-probe-into-rachel-corrie-s-death-wasn-t-credible.premium-1.460091
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ExUngui
For a pessimist all surprises are on the upside
12:39 AM on 08/23/2012
Do you really have legos for brain?
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Martial024
08:15 AM on 08/23/2012
So you don't think taking other peoples land for over 40 years causing a large conflict for which they bomb people with their modern weapons, when the people they are bombing only have basic weapons and some even have to use slings?

You sound like you don't know anything about the world.

How about Israel's Illegal nuclear weapons? The ones that they hid even from the US, as we were sending them tons of aid that probably paid for them, and supporting their military.

They are a den of vipers. Snakes in the grass that pretend to be victims while occupying and killing civilians, destroying homes, and putting on sanctions to the people they are abusing.

Israel shouldn't exist, just because their blood thirsty and racist religion says that is their land doesn't give anyone the right to kick out the people that lived there for much much longer. Its just wrong, especially when the UN says they are only supposed to have so much territory but they ignore it and expand anyway. Of course the world turns a blind eye, the US pretty much owns the UN.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
10:12 PM on 08/22/2012
I wonder what Lieberman would have to say if he was negotiating with someone like Nelson Mandella. (Who, if you remember the reality, not the soft focus image that has grown up around him, refused any notion of negotiation other than the total destruction of the Africaaner state, endorsed acts of violence towards all Africaaners, and indeed was one of the leaders of the faction that turned the ANC from peaceful protesters to those who engaged in a bombing campaign)
10:29 PM on 08/22/2012
Recall that Israel denied entry to bishop Desmond Tutu. They do not like peace crusaders who criticize Israel. They find fancy names for those sorts of people. They did the same to Noam Chomsky.
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Eric Nepgen
Restiamo Umani
02:38 AM on 08/23/2012
Yeah, like "Leftist", "Anti-Semites", "Self-hating Jew" in the case of Chomsky or Finkelstein.
09:17 AM on 08/23/2012
Peace crusaders? LOL Good one!! LOL
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Finkelstein Fan
04:19 AM on 08/23/2012
They did try to sell nukes to S.A though so.... at least that's something.
09:33 AM on 08/23/2012
What is your point?
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09:18 PM on 08/22/2012
And the word(s) of the day is "Legitimate criticism."

Brought to you by the number 4
09:20 PM on 08/22/2012
It should sound familiar.

Your fellow travelers use it often enough.
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
09:31 AM on 08/23/2012
who are his fellow travelers? What makes them fellow travelers?
09:37 AM on 08/23/2012
"legitimate criticism"...always OK
Demonization, delegitimization, anti-Semitism....never OK

There IS a clearly defined difference.
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10:51 AM on 08/23/2012
I agree
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Seawolf56
Truth should never be censored
08:53 PM on 08/22/2012
Abbas has refused to resume talks as long as Israel refuses to stop settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, areas Palestinians want as part of their future state.

Wow those demands are just too much!
09:48 PM on 08/22/2012
settlements should be negotiated , everything should be on the table .

Israel can also demand all kind of preconditions , like no ROR but that defy the whole point of negotiations .

obviously the Palestinians wants Israel with a weaker bargaining position .
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
10:19 PM on 08/22/2012
So, to you, a demand that one side stop engaging in a war crime/crime against humanity is the equivalent of a demand that the other side agree to commit a war crime/crime against humanity. Interesting point of view you have. (both the transfer of population into the occupied territories and arrogating the ability to surrender the Geneva Conventions rights of individuals to a government/quasigovernment leader are violations of the Geneva Conventions, and commonly labelled as either a war crime or a crime against humanity)
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brainlego
Mitt: Bain damaged
10:28 PM on 08/22/2012
No, they are illegal.
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
08:10 AM on 08/23/2012
Lie. He's refused peace until all of Jerusalem is Judenrein.
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Eric Nepgen
Restiamo Umani
10:15 AM on 08/23/2012
"Abbas has refused to resume talks as long as Israel refuses to stop settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, areas Palestinians want as part of their future state"

Show me we're exactly. H
He was talking about the settlers, not Jews per se.

But that fits your narrative.
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robertstone1robert
My micro bio is too big.
08:41 PM on 08/22/2012
Lieberman may be somewhat extreme but he speaks the truth. Abbas is only the front man, the facade for the PLA. He went to Gaza to form a union with the haters of peace, Hamas. His ambassador to India stated unequivocally that in regard to Israel both entities, Hamas and the PLA, speak with one voice--hatred.
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
12:30 AM on 08/23/2012
what is PLA?
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robertstone1robert
My micro bio is too big.
06:37 AM on 08/23/2012
Is that your only question? P-A-L-E-S-T-I-N-E L-I-B-E-R-A-T-I-O-N A-U-T-H.
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Finkelstein Fan
04:29 AM on 08/23/2012
I think a 'lynch mob' of Israeli children in Zion Square proved without a shadow of a doubt where the real 'hate' resides.
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robertstone1robert
My micro bio is too big.
06:41 AM on 08/23/2012
Please elaborate.
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
08:11 AM on 08/23/2012
But, of course, the terror group of Hamas elected by the majority of Palestinians doesn't represent them. Classic Jew hater hypocrisy.
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mommamia526
08:16 PM on 08/22/2012
Mr. Lieberman, of course, can not act on his own, around the current Isreli government. His actions are wrong and not approved of. On the other hand, there is no status quo on the Palestinian side, but continuing and increased incitement, verbiage, threats and *promises*. There are the PLO and Hamas Charters. There is the sabotage and non-action, combined with threats and *big plans* blazooned about by Abbas, combined with the continuing incitement by Iran, which openly calls for the wiping off of the map of one UN State by another UN State (Iran). Again, there are now calls to deny any jewish connection to Jerusalem, the Wall, to Israel, combined with several threats and plans, such as the previous plan to flood Jerusalem with Arabs to make it appear an Arab City. There is not, and will not be, any Unity between Hamas and the PLO, and no elections. Iran is associated with its proxies Hezbullah and Hamas, is on the ground in Syria, sending in its elite troops to attack any western power which woul dare to come to the aid of Syrian civilians. Hamas is acting in the Sinai, and there is spillover of the Syrian unrest in Lebanon, in Iraq, and Turkey, with large influxes of refugees everywhere, a.o. Jordan. In that context, Lieberman's exortations are danerous and out of place, but not all that incomprehensible, because the unrest increases by the day, all over, and they have indicated one main target.
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mommamia526
08:07 PM on 08/22/2012
This article stands alone, as if nothing else is happening in Israel/ME. Abbas will not negotiate. He is now calling for all of Jerusalem to be Arab/Muslim and Christian and denies any jewish ties to Jerusalem! What also has been state is, that if anything happens to the Mosque, all Hell will break lose. Further, the Western wall is ARAB property, and has no ties to jews and judaism, and so it goes. There have been speeches in CAIRO, several times this year, by Hamas and Abbas, on what they plan to do with Israel, and with Jerusalem. And there is incitement of Ahmadinejad and the Iranian Regime, which is tied to both Hezbullah and Hamas, and is on the ground in Syria. There are attacks by Berber and Hamas IN Sinai on both Israel and Egyptian troops. Elections for Palestinians, both in Gaza and the territories are long oerdue. Letters of Netanyahu to Abbas have been ignored, or answered with the same old demands, and even Fayyad refused to act as an errand boy, because of the content. Forgetting the Israeli side of all this, there are the Palestinian People, and no progress is being made by Abbas or Hamas on their behalf, and there will never by any progress made on their behalf. .
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
12:32 AM on 08/23/2012
The article is not standing alone, it's a news item. How do you propose people report the news? as a conglomeration of all the news items at the same article? How are you gonna read all that stuff?
09:42 AM on 08/23/2012
As a "news item", it should still be reported within some context. In the analysis and comments, context is imperative.
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erehwon2
07:54 PM on 08/22/2012
It's not Lieberman's place to tell the Palestinians when to hold an election nor whom they should or should not elect, despite the fact that Abbas has long overstayed his term and may not have his people's mandate to speak for them. Unfortunately, other than Fayyad, whom Hamas never would allow to take charge, no one else likely would be any better for advancing a peace deal.

What I find most disturbing about this article, though, is Abbas's spokesman's comment calling Lieberman's remarks "incitement to violence." Really? Seems to me a more appropriate response would be to tell Lieberman to butt out.
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09:39 PM on 08/22/2012
according to abass spokesman rudeina, right after he said it was 'an incitement to violence',
he added 'and seen as interference in internal palestinian affairs'….

abass, in his eighth year of a four year term, is 'condemning the idea of new elections'
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ExUngui
For a pessimist all surprises are on the upside
12:46 AM on 08/23/2012
To an Arab just about anything is incitement to violence. All that was necessary to start Intifada was for Sharon to set foot on the Temple mountain.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
05:54 AM on 08/23/2012
True, though Sharon's Temple Mount visit was just an excuse.

The Second Intifada had been already planned, unlike the First which was a grassroots effort. You could call that one an early "Arab Spring".