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08:07 AM on 09/20/2012
What Mr. Silberberg fails to remember, is just how Nazi Germany, under Hitler, went about bringing the Jews,Gypsies,and other"non-aryian" people to the tragic end, that was the Holocaust. The Nazi's started by first segregating them, then enslaving them by first siezing their wealth and property,then actually enslaving them into forced labor, and finally murdering them enmasse!! What the GOP/TP is starting to do in effect is blaming the ill,elderly and poor for the bad economy and the peoples lot in life,and promoting policies which remove vital safety nets. What is next? We see it in the shift in the wealth in this country, with the top heavy econmic scale. I would never underestimate this, because what happens after is too vile to speak of! I have had the displeasure of speaking with several TP'ers, and if you listened to them for any length of time, you would be filled with fear, because what these lunatics espouse is nothing short of neo-fascism!!! What is most fearfiul in this discourse,is history itself, because the Nazi rise to power was a classic example of what damage a few radicals can do to not only a nation, but what Nazism did to the entire world!!! We should let history guide us here, and never let this kind of thing ever happen again!!!
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08:02 AM on 09/20/2012
The USA wont be Nazi Germany.
We might be a corporate police state.
The internet-electronic tools to monitor everything exist now.
With Big brother listening in the name of national security.
Emergency measures for security chip away at fundamental freedoms in the end.
WAR on Terror is just an excuse to erode personal privacy,free expression,The BILL of Rights.
skykam
Out of the office.
07:43 AM on 09/20/2012
As far as simple name-calling goes I totally agree with you. But if we are to never forget we must also be forever vigilant. I was at the National Holocaust museum this summer and saw an excellent exhibit on Nazi propaganda and how it built up over time. Was interesting to note that there do exist parallels in our own time. Could it all happen again or happen here? Sure could.
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Modern Mellow
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07:32 AM on 09/20/2012
I disagree. Let me say one thing: It's obvious that the US of today is not Germany in 1935 to 1945, roughly. I am german and have a hard time wrapping my head around what went wrong during those years, what happened to the people, why things happened the way they did. Obviously, I wasn't around back then. But what we must learn from the Holocaust, from the Shoa, from the terrible events back then, that they happened because of moods, circumstances, hatemongers that people looked away from for too long a time. When hate had reached the boiling point, it was already too late. The question should not be "Why do we compare?" but "How can we prevent?"..... and that question is always a legitimate one, and must be for all times.
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07:58 AM on 09/20/2012
The interesting thing to me is that an intelligent people,like the German nation could go down the path that led to WW2 and the HOlocaust.
Of course we dont live in the circumstances of 1914-1939.
Those years created the events that HITler rose on.
You better ask someone older what chaos reigned after WW1.
That created a Hitler.
Stability,jobs,pride are a dangerous set of tools in the wrong hands.
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Modern Mellow
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08:48 AM on 09/20/2012
Yep, I know what happened during those years, still I don't see those years, 1918 and following, the Weimar Republic, as the sole explanation. It's as if there are pieces missing from the puzzle, and I'm as puzzled as anyone. That's why I don't think singling out those events does anyone of us any favour. We must make sure that things like those that happened back then never happen again, anywhere. There's a famous german saying around ever since WW2. It's "Beware the beginnings", and it's as true today as it was back then.
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Zephersand
Just a speck of dust in the scheme of things
05:52 AM on 09/20/2012
All the horrific names do is get a responce. We want people to feel what we feel so we use horrific language to get their atention most common is foul language which often is over used by some but when a person does not use it ever and then one day does the people that know this person doesnt talk like this will stop in shock.

Problem is that the shock value wares off with excess use so greater and greater words are needed. Sadly today the images have to be so outragious and still they dont get a responce.

This is a sad commontary because it means we have slid down a slop so far that we may never get our language and civilities cleaned back up.
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blackraisin
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07:21 PM on 09/20/2012
Well said.
05:43 AM on 09/20/2012
We need a US Naqba Museum!
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Dominic
Too many turkeys still voting for Christmas.
02:31 AM on 09/20/2012
The end result of Fascism in Germany didn't happen overnight. It evolved.

America is obviously not comparable to the end stage, but to deny that there are not similarities in the intolerance and bigotry from some quarters to parts of the German experience that led up to that awful end result is to stand and allow history the chance to repeat itself.

Would America ever travel the whole road that Germany took? In my mind...impossible.....too many people in America are so much better than that.

Could "some" Americans make that same journey?

Absolutely.
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ttsgw
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02:01 AM on 09/20/2012
The more knowledgeable you are about Germany in the thirties, the more parallels you draw. It just can't be avoided.
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MikeDu
Both salubrious and lugubrious concurrently.
01:37 AM on 09/20/2012
Some months ago a 30-something wife and mother, who happened yo be an Iraqi immigrant come to America for a better life, was brutally murdered and the note 'GO HOME' was left with her body. America is not like 1930s Gerrmany... except for her it was.
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blackraisin
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07:20 PM on 09/20/2012
And let me guess ... this one lone attack was secretly planned by the entire Republican Party and all of its members.
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Martin Musetsky
01:33 AM on 09/20/2012
Maybe not Munich, but have you thought about Rome? As in: Mussolini's definition of fascism: a corporate takeover of government.
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iridium53
Semper Fi
12:58 AM on 09/20/2012
I agree that the Republican Party / Tea Party have, in no way, reached the depth and breadth of attitudes that justify comparisons to Naziism.

I would argue, however, that there is ample evidence at this point - from the Republican Party platform alone - of an inchoate state of fascism.
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peasent
12:02 AM on 09/20/2012
Palme Dutte "fascism and Social Revolution"

Lewis Sinclair's "It could happen here"

Smedley butlers "War is a Racket" and the insueing
McCormick hearings in congress in the 1930's.

Read these and play a game of who said it first the fascists or faux "news".

Remember there were other fascist regimes. Mussolini the author of fascism, Dollfuss in Austria, Franco in Spain-whom we never speak of in fascist terms-even after WWII in Chile, Argentina, Brazil and the rest of the southern cone as represented by the Chicago boys, Neoliberal economics. Represented by the US media in the same jingoism as the Fascists in their fight with communists in Europe. With the active enabling of the liberals and even socialists. We talk about it in the terms we do because the political right has made it impossible not to, to dilute the speech necessary to describe them, to undermine the language necessary to confront them. The people have to be fooled, scapegoats created. That doesn't always represent in the way it did in Germany but to deny that it is a movement aligned with conservatism and the political right, in legue with the ruling money class against the interests of the people. it is unfortunate that the argument has been reduced to only those acts committed by a small group of opportunists in Prussia. Probably no accident when it completely eliminates the discussion of the vast amount of understanding otherwise available.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0719-15.htm
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:49 PM on 09/19/2012
Ignorant people rallying around a charismatic hate figure from 1921 until 1933?
Do you really see no parallels with the 'baggers', and their favorite `politicians'.
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blackraisin
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02:21 AM on 09/20/2012
If you are seriously comparing tea partiers to Nazis you never get to complain about hyper-partisanship again. And to think, just 6 months ago the liberal talking points were to use the term "false equivalency." A bunch of old people who want to reduce spending and the size of government and a bunch of people who wanted to gas hundreds of millions of people to death (and that was their goal) aren't equivalent.
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Zephersand
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06:04 AM on 09/20/2012
No it's not equivalent but when the reduction of spending is set up to where it harms those least able to care for themselves in order to benefit those who are most able to care for themselves I can understand knee jerk extremist language.

Is it wise No
is it understandable Yes
People get emotional and want their listeners to feel just as emotional about the subject.
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06:05 AM on 09/20/2012
You mean the 47% Romney just insulted dont you?

"Keep yur Gubermunt hans offa my medicare"

Think they even KNOW it?
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NefariousLord
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10:42 PM on 09/19/2012
I suggest you go read Dr. Lawrence Britt's "14 Defining Characteristics OF Fascism" and get back to me.
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12:39 AM on 09/20/2012
Eisenhauer and Truman made sure that all European nations after World War II allowed for labor unions to prevent fascism. WI's Gov Scott Walker and Republican legislators broke the state open meeting law many times, including to dismantle labor union rights. They saved no money by doing so, for more tax incentives were given to corporations: it was a blatant political power grab with no public or legislative debate.
06:28 AM on 09/20/2012
I took your advice and read Britt's observation. Chr*st ....I hope I can sleep tonight.
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10:41 PM on 09/19/2012
I'm not sure I can agree with this, but you have some valid points.