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Fran Jaime
10:39 PM on 10/14/2012
Not good at all! As a teacher, i can say that the lower your expectations for a child, the lower he/she will perform.
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Ian Carter
01:39 AM on 10/15/2012
Also as a teacher, I can tell you the opposite is also true. Hold the kids to high standards and 9/10 times they will rise to meet them.
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Fran Jaime
01:56 AM on 10/15/2012
That's what I said! hold the kids to high standards and 9 times out of10 theywill reach them. Lower the standards and they won't succeed at all!
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07:53 AM on 10/15/2012
But we all know minority children can't be expected to reach these high standards because of their background. This is why they need help from the white politicians to give them the same grade for a test as whites even if they don't do as well. This is about making a child feel accepted, letting them think they are just as smart as white kids as a boost for their self esteeme.
10:02 AM on 10/15/2012
And don't forget the women and girls. We have to give them free birthcontrol, because they are not smart enough to get it for themselves.
Every Liberal knows that.
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Fran Jaime
12:46 PM on 10/15/2012
Yes, they can  and they do! Children can go beyond your expectations once they know you believe they can! It's  not about "giving" them a grade. It's about helping them learn that they can do it. The basis of"different standards" attitude is the idea that children from different races, ethnicities or economic  levels are different in intelligence. They are not. Their attitude towards  learning maybe different but attitudes can be changed. NOTHING is gained by making a group of kids feel "less than" another group. It encourages the worst things.
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teva
10:13 PM on 10/14/2012
According to the book "The Black-White Test Score Gap", the median Black American scores below 75 percent of whites in standardized tests. When black children are raised in white families, their pre-teenage test scores are comparable to the whites, but that changes for the worse once they become teenagers. Even in black affluent families, the children tend to test below equally affluent white families. The reason for this is unknown. Perhaps Virginia and Florida are making the correct move in changing the levels of standardized test scoring. With these odds against them, black children are made to feel inferior as they continue to score below the whites (who fall below the asians) on standardized tests. Any black children who score above the new, lower level will just be considered advanced, so good for them!
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everettmaultsby
In honor of Trayvon Martin
12:13 AM on 10/15/2012
So if this the case, why do Asian out-perform whites?
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teva
09:47 AM on 10/15/2012
They're either naturally smarter or they're driven toward excellence.
01:12 AM on 10/15/2012
Read some of the tests. The questions are aimed toward white, middle class citizens.

Living in a mixed household, I can say, the language spoken during the day, at work or school is different than what is spoken at home.

A child who is confined financially to a small area does not have the experience or the words to articulate what could more easily be identified or described by someone with more resources to experience more situations.

A child whose parents are working intensly physical jobs is likely to have tired parents unable of participating in some activities. Parents who make a living in low physical exertion jobs, with college educated peers, are more likely to create more diverse social situations for their children. Exposure makes a difference in what we learn and the way we process it.

Florida's policies are wrong. What needs to change is not the expectation, but the understanding by administration, of the child's needs. We all learn differently.
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everettmaultsby
In honor of Trayvon Martin
01:56 AM on 10/15/2012
You hit it dead on the head...it's exposure. My daughter did well in school taking calculus in high school; went off to college got an A in college calculus. Her dad took calculus in school. Like you said it is exposure and EXPECTATION.
We expect our children to do well and also we do all we can to help them do well.
It really has nothing to do with color. If Asians, Whites, Blacks, Hispanics don't study, or if they aren't disciplined, not expected to achieve; not exposure to certain material(s) you will get the same results...none would do well...
10:10 PM on 10/14/2012
This is called TRACKING and it is nothing new. It was the program utilized by white communities to keep black and African Americans from performing while they demanded high salaries to NOT TEACH THEM! It's called INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM!
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Ian Carter
01:41 AM on 10/15/2012
"This is called TRACKING"

Please don't use the T word. This is a public forum. That kind if filthy language is uncalled for. ;-)
10:04 AM on 10/15/2012
Yes, it is. It is a national disgrace.
11:10 AM on 10/15/2012
Thank you.
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trekie70
Lifelong bibliophile and political junkie
05:41 PM on 10/14/2012
This story is a ideal illustration of why FL is not ready to get out from under the Voting Rights Act's requirements. By setting stds by race and ethnicity, you're telling students that you think they're dumber than another group. The students then have no reason to try to excel when the expectations are set low.

If the GOP takes power, it is possible that other states will follow the lead of VA and FL and that will be bad for education.
06:38 PM on 10/14/2012
Perhaps their analysis over all these years is starting to show them that students of certain races and ethnicity's lack academic skills of another.
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nix28
Ignorance stirs my inner demon...Sorry.
04:35 AM on 10/15/2012
Not. Look into the Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity. It shares quite a bit about how the way a test is structured can benefit one culture over another.
10:07 AM on 10/15/2012
It is Democrats who have done this. It is Democrats who believe they are giving those children a helping hand, rather than putting the Mark of Cain on the diploma of every minority child who truly does meet the course requirements.
It is "Do Gooders" that have done this. Everyone knows that those evil Republicans are opposed to Affirmative Action, aren't they?
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BlairCase
05:16 PM on 10/14/2012
As part of its No Child Left Behind waiver, Florida has to set new goals to measure student progress. In setting different goals for different racial and ethnic groups, it is merely recognizing the academic reality it faces. Rather than setting its schools and students up for failure, it is setting realistic goals that its students can reach. Some African American students can, and will, meet the same goals set for Asian American and non-Hispanic white studentsm but most won't. If the state set the same standards for all racial and ethnic groups, it would soon run out of teachers to fire and schools to close.
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04:19 PM on 10/14/2012
Minorities need to learn young that they don't have to be as good as white people to be considered as equals. Schools let minority students in where white students wouldn't qualify, minorities are promoted because they are the right color rather then their knowlege of the job or their test score.

This is our liberal idea that minorities can only do well when a white person is there to give them a hand. They owe us for their sucess and that's why they need to remember who let them get ahead when they go to the voting booth next month.
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Jonathan Munoz
2 things you can't argue with: crazy and stupid
09:12 PM on 10/14/2012
"They owe us for their success" "Schools LET minority students in where white students wouldn't qualify" ? Wow, if that isn't the most racist thing I have EVER heard! As if you have EVER helped me "get ahead", you need to come down off you pedestal. Now who's playing the race card? Right but when whites use it, it's not the race card.
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10:04 PM on 10/14/2012
What do you think Affirmative Action is?  Are you saying you support repealing Affirmative Action? 
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dollbaby
Spice...."The Toughest Fighter."
10:13 PM on 10/14/2012
BULL *hit!!!!! And that is from the black lady who is steps away from her doctorate. I owe you NOTHING. I did the work to finish undergrad, get my masters, and get a doctorate so you and Mr. Romney get nothing from me especially my vote.
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05:00 AM on 10/15/2012
Yet you support Affirmative Action where you can get a head by checking the box.  he same must be done in our schools for the same reason.  Minorities are not equal to whites and need a little help up from the whites. You're welcome
10:15 AM on 10/15/2012
Yes, you did the work, and yes, you did qualify. But it is the Liberals who have put the Mark of Cain on that Doctorate that you are on the verge of getting.
Many people, Blacks included, will entertain doubts whether you even met the minimum requirements for entry into the program. You know that.
I grew up with the idea that if you get an education, no one can take that away from you. The most evil men in America found a way to cheapen yours, and to lessen its worth by affirmative action.
If you want opportunities, look to Romney. If you want an easier path, and the stigma that comes with it, Obama will promise you that.
You know that too.
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Hoosierman
Business Strategist
03:19 PM on 10/14/2012
I cannot disagree with this. Look, if I'm hiring in IT I'll look to Asia first. Why? The work ethic is stronger. The math and science skills are stronger.

I've noticed this same trend just on an everyday level. If a certain culture emphasizes learning, education and second language acquisition, then those results will show.

If another culture does little to support their children in their music, science and math pursuits, then that too shall show.

What is prized in the home and from the parents is reflected in the children. Parents set an example to their children. Mind you, I do not believe the child's interests will always be that of the parent.

But, a child's pursuit and the strength of that pursuit will most likely be aligned with the parent's values.
01:22 AM on 10/15/2012
Recent trends are to cut music, arts, science, . Our children are struggling due to budget cuts, telling youngsters they aren't as important as the banksters who are taking money from school programs.
10:17 AM on 10/15/2012
Banksters are not taking money from school programs. School funding comes from local property taxes. A bank in town, pays lots of property taxes.
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greenvicki
03:15 PM on 10/14/2012
Ranking intelligence due to race, is crazy. Least expected to achieve, according to Florida's representatives. .African americans are on the back of the bus again?. If we're continually at the bottom of the totem pole, then why is affirmative action being debated? Affirmative action is around, because of small minded people in power. Not because we can't be educated.

My grandchildren can compete with the best of the best. They are strong and competent, and don't have a problem with competition. You can have your percentage points. They're doing just find without them.
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04:23 PM on 10/14/2012
Sorry but your grand kids can't compete with white people because of the many years yor were supressed by us. This is why we need to have affermitive action programs like these so minorities can score lower on their SAT's and still get into a good school where a white student wouldn't, or you get that promotion because you have that box checked rather then showing your knowlege of your job.

And because you can only suceed because we have given you these affermitive action programs, we expect you to vote for our candidate in November. If the republicans get in office, then you'll have to work just the same as white people, and I don't think you want to do that.
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greenvicki
04:48 PM on 10/14/2012
Red is your color.  By the way, you spelled affirmative incorrectly. Are you sure you're white?
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signgrrl
design & production
06:33 PM on 10/14/2012
you also misspelled ''succeed''. boy, are YOU the wrong person to be commenting on this article.
03:00 PM on 10/14/2012
W---------H--------------A--------------------------T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is saying our kids are inferior!! We all know that this is a D******M LIE!! This is why our parents MUST show the grit and determination shown by the mother and the teacher in "Won't Back Down"!!! We MUST not allow our children to be tracked into lower-level classrooms or vocational courses! We must insist that homework is down, test are studies for, video games, TV and radios are turned off, and cell phone are put away, that kids have and are using library cards! It seems cute but appalling that we have kids who, when entering kindergarten, don't even recognize their own real and legal name because everyone thought it was "cute" to call him/her "boo", "poopie", etc. Come and check out the group on Linkedin -------------------- http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=1978163&trk=anet_ug_hm
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dollbaby
Spice...."The Toughest Fighter."
10:19 PM on 10/14/2012
my sister use to work in a daycare and the white kids didn't no their real names either..........just saying!!!!
10:19 AM on 10/15/2012
How many steps did you say you were away from a Doctorate?
08:01 AM on 10/15/2012
Right on. Teachers can't do it all and no matter what a parent's situation getting a kid to school every day and every day on time plus all the things you say needs to be done and will narrow the problem down. Kids get the same access to education and curriculum but they don't get the same access to committed parents, that can't be forced by legislation or by society .
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JPMac
02:55 PM on 10/14/2012
let me guess, if you polled the board of Ed you would find an overwhelming number of democrats ie liberals!! Liberals are the most racist people in this country!! Way to set these kids up for failure, don't worry black or hispanic kids you don't have to work as hard as everyone else we'll make sure we just pass you through the system with less education than everyone else!! Good lick working minimum wage jobs for the rest of your life!!!
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09:38 PM on 10/14/2012
Florida's Board is generally conservative. http://www.fldoe.org/board/members.asp
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dollbaby
Spice...."The Toughest Fighter."
10:21 PM on 10/14/2012
JPMac........I really don't think that Rick Scott put liberals on his board of education.

Florida Board of Education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Board_of_Education
The Florida Board of Education also known as the State Board of Education (SBE ) is a committee composed of members appointed by the Florida Governor to ...
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massjim
Dem? Repub? Is there a difference?
02:22 PM on 10/14/2012
Wow, just wow. Everyway we can, we tell Hispanic and Black kids they aren't as good. Very sad. Affirmative action, diversity, now this.
cbrown4115
"The mind that is not baffled is not employed." We
02:01 PM on 10/14/2012
Soooo, this says Asians are 6 percentage points smarter than Caucasians? I wonder if that ruffling a few feathers...
02:07 PM on 10/14/2012
Asians are smarter than whites. I am willing to admit that because I don't deny the truth. Asians, whites, hispanics, and then blacks that's the order based on numbers.
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everettmaultsby
In honor of Trayvon Martin
12:42 AM on 10/15/2012
Where do the Indians fall into the category? (This is silly. It's matter of cultural, disciple, economics and study-habits.)
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JuLeah Willson
12:50 AM on 10/15/2012
That maybe what you have observed ... because you expect to observe that, or it pans out for the people you know ... but which came first?

All things being equal, and the black students didn't perform as well, but all things not being equal and the black students didn't perform as well?

I tutor in a poverty stricken school (mostly kids of color) and have noted they are using history books that list Jimmy Carter as the sitting president.

Most kids don't have a math book, but are expected to share with 1 or 2 other kids... many pages are missing

Are these kids going to college? Odds are, not likely ... but will it be because they are not are smart? No, they are smart ... but in the 10th grade and can't add or subtract large numbers ....
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massjim
Dem? Repub? Is there a difference?
02:24 PM on 10/14/2012
Sure, I've read complaints about that for a long time. Besides robbing us blind, colleges and Universites are on the cutting edge of racist, discriminatory practices. In order to get admitted Asians have to get higher SATs than Whites, who have to get higher SATs than Hispanics who have to get higher SATs than Blacks. I'm white, not Asian, and I say this is very harmful and racist against Asians.
cbrown4115
"The mind that is not baffled is not employed." We
02:51 PM on 10/14/2012
I had no idea... thanks for the new information.
01:58 PM on 10/14/2012
People are raised differently in different cultures. This is part of diversity, we have to accept that academics are more important to other groups or success in general. I see nothing wrong with this. It's take history, records, and performance to apply standards accordingly for different groups. Get over it already, we are different in so many ways. So in a sense no people are not created equal, but have equal rights.
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massjim
Dem? Repub? Is there a difference?
02:28 PM on 10/14/2012
So, you accept that asians and whites study more than hispanics/blacks? You accept that asians/whites achieve more than hispanics/blacks? You would therefore still take your child to a hispanic or black surgeon? To me, your worldview is very strange and disheartening. I think Hispanics and Blacks are as capable of achieving as Asians and Whites, and I encourage them to try to excel in anything they do.
03:18 PM on 10/14/2012
Comes down to the culture and parenting. It's the truth. It's hard to hear the truth but this is why Florida is implementing this because they know the truth.
03:23 PM on 10/14/2012
Why do you think we see such vast differences in graduation, drop out rates, gang membership and violence. It's what it most important to the individual. Asians and whites put academics first, they study more/ parents encourage it more/ college is encouraged as is graduation. Please understand this is the truth and to deny it, is lying. Florida officials of different races know the truth. They just had to change the entrance exam in New York because of racial differences. They essentially had to dumb down the test for others. That's embarrassing, we should have the best of the best, not mediocre performance.
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Hoosierman
Business Strategist
03:09 AM on 10/15/2012
I agree with this. I think some do not understand the difference between created equal and having equal rights.

My sister excels in areas I do not and vice-versa. We both have equal rights but are not necessarily equal in the possession of a particular skill.
01:02 PM on 10/14/2012
"On Tuesday, the State Board of Education passed a revised strategic plan that says that by 2018, it wants 90 percent of Asian students, 88 percent of white students, 81 percent of Hispanics and 74 percent of black students to be reading at or above grade level. For math, the goals are 92 percent of Asian kids proficient, whites at 86 percent, Hispanics at 80 percent and blacks at 74 percent. It also measures by other groupings, such as poverty and disabilities."

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! I read the "Bell-curve" literature in the 1960s and found it outrageous then! We are not making progress in public education!
12:57 PM on 10/14/2012
And the really sad thing is that this race based intervention will fail, just like all the others before it. Every person, black, white or brown who has lifted themselves out of poverty realizes that they alone are responsible for their performance in school or at work. These individuals realize that there is no government agency responsible for their success or failure. When the parents of the low income children in Florida accept this fact and they act upon it the statistics in this article will change. Why is it that Asian kids perform so well in school? Is it because of government programs or parents who demand that their kids do well in school? I am sure that the educators in Florida are dedicated professionals who want all children to succeed, but they can only do so much. Parents need to look to themselves first. If they demonstrate to their children that education is important, their children will grow up believing that too. Every household, no matter how poor, can afford a set of index cards to teach a child ABCs or the multiplication tables. Every parent can take their children to the library for books and reading programs. Reliance on the government for housing, food and the success of your children in school is an insidious trap. It is an easy trap to fall into and hard a hard one to get out of.
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dollbaby
Spice...."The Toughest Fighter."
10:37 PM on 10/14/2012
FF #9