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09:04 PM on 10/15/2012
Have you ever asked
Where does a sunless warrior weep
His tears into the soft and somber deep,
As he sleeps an uneasy sleep?
But awake him not from war's feverish gripping fiends,
For he is mused by their single nightmarish dream,
That embodies and seduces him from far
To lead him to where only shadows forever are
Long ago
He fled the brilliant light of morn,
He abandoned the greens and blues of noon with scorn
For a deepening twilight ever cold and forlorn
But there is no gentle rest
As each night he rises facing the dimming glow of the West.
Seeing only a fading purple land.
Embraced by war, and death from city to plain
Corpses ripening on the walls and hills and in streets where they were slain
Where they can no longer feel the night or the rain
But they are enviable nonetheless to him
For they rest in sleep for evermore
In grassy fields and upon sandy shores
Unlike him, they rest in peacefulness to their bloodless cores
Until time shall cease and move no more
In a perfect night that no sun shall break
They sleep a slumber that no tyrant shall wake;
His starlit shadow stretching away from any light
As so he wanders through a cold empty night
His only companions his hunger, his anger, and his spite
Paulo1
Thanks for reading, (even if you disagree)
08:57 PM on 10/15/2012
Is it better for women?
Probably. At least as long as we have bases and we have the local officials well bribed to put women in places where we want to see them.
When we leave?
Probably not as the Taliban will be back in force and women will go back to being chattel.
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Ronald Aleksy
08:55 PM on 10/15/2012
Friends! These wars just go to show that the USA initiatives in foreign countries are misguided. You are dealing with foreign cultures here. I'll spell it out. They don't have the same values as you do. In the Muslim countries, religion means more than freedom. Study the Koran. Then you'll know what you are doing. Change won't come that is against their religious principles.
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An0n0m0ou5
Tu Ne Cede Malis sed contra audentior ito
04:49 PM on 10/16/2012
It is quite refreshing agreeing with you on something Red. Faved.
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Dr Scott
I neither sow, nor reap, nor toil, nor spin
08:02 PM on 10/15/2012
Change in this area will take a generation, and will cost many lives, but it will come. Our presence there shows women what they can have, but they will still have to wage this struggle on their own. We can't do it for them.
The Afghan government is incapable of influencing most of the country. As soon as we leave, the Taliban will take control of the south and east. The north will likely remain under the control of our war-lord allies. Either way, women will get the worst of it. Men aren't going to give up their power easily.
foresure
Brash and Harsh
07:44 PM on 10/15/2012
It is not a question of whether or not woman, or the general population has been helped or hurt.

Anyone with two functionally brain cells knows the answer to that question.

The real question how does what we did help the 1%
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MacTheCat
Those Clouds You See Aren't really clouds at all
08:45 PM on 10/15/2012
The only winners in any war...Wall Street.
foresure
Brash and Harsh
09:46 PM on 10/15/2012
MacTheCat:

EXACTLY;

Notice the neo-cons have become feminists -- Really?
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Wrench Turner
Fuhgeddaboutit...
09:52 PM on 10/15/2012
The females of Afghanistan getting an education won in this situation. The US won in this situation, OBL is dead, his organization in shambles.
hifie
Middle of the road American advocate
07:32 PM on 10/15/2012
The sad part will be when we leave. Happy for the troops to be gone and sad knowing that it will revert because of the pervasive tribal mentality. The people who have made gains in equality will lose them. Makes a person wish that there was a path out.
07:07 PM on 10/15/2012
when the russians were there women had it the best. blame the condition of women on reagan and the evangelical christians who put us there. when will the u.s. ever learn.
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jerryengelbach
Working class heritage
08:48 PM on 10/15/2012
Few people realize this, but it's true. The Kabul government at the time enacted progressive reforms. The U.S. of course backed the fundamentalists against the government.
07:06 PM on 10/15/2012
The Taliban was hard on women before we got there...They are hard on them now...And they will be just as hard on them after we leave. They are mud hut primitves still living in the dark ages and that will never ever change...
07:32 PM on 10/15/2012
Wrong. Things do change. After all Europeans were once "mud hut primitives living in the dark ages" and I do believe Americans once burned women at the stake; rape, beat and enslaved african women and even now force women to undergo medically unnecessary vaginal probes for religious reasons.

Right hook! TKO
08:18 PM on 10/15/2012
Afghanistan on the whole, and Kabul in particular, have moved backwards even relative to the 1970's.
Pauline Jaing
Artist, worker, mother
07:06 PM on 10/15/2012
War ALWAYS makes things worse for women and children; war is the WORST thing that can happen to anyone.
06:55 PM on 10/15/2012
"Before 9-11, Afghanistan was a land of nothing..." Naderi told HuffPost Live."

Actually, no. Afghanistan wasn't always this way.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan
06:48 PM on 10/15/2012
Since the U.S. has been in Afghanistan things have worsened not only for women but for men and children also. When is war a cure all for any and all injustices. Afghanistan could have been a free and peaceful country if only the world community cared enough as a whole to help them out. Evidently there was not enough money in Afghanistan for the world community to care about what was happening inside the country. The only ones who took an interest in Afghanistan was the U. S. armament industry. They are now richer than ever before and simple decent people are dead, maimed, injured or have had their families torn apart and their lives ruined. When this war is over, the Afghanis will be left to bear the war generated internal hatred,revenge,retaliation,destruction caused by the U.S. military and armament industry. What Americans will be left with, is increased world hatred against them, an unpayable national debt and an increasing loss of health,economic and social services. A lose/lose situation on a world level. Who will stand up and say "Never Again" ?
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06:36 PM on 10/15/2012
Maybe be better in parts of Afghan. Will be become worse after we leave. Libya I am sure will be much worse, Gadaffi allowed woman to be in the 21st century.
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Raymond Myers
Responsible 4 what I post. Not what you understand
06:32 PM on 10/15/2012
I am sorry, can someone explain to me how the men manage to reproduce?
07:36 PM on 10/15/2012
Well clearly, the women were never "legitimately raped" or married off while still young girls; or eaten, terrorized and publicly slaughtered. Nah, the women are just weak in the same way all victims of genocide are weak or asking for it. Given nature's female birth rates, more women are missing from this planet than all the wars of the 20th century combined. But hey, not brutality. No denial. No finger pointing going on by "people"
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Raymond Myers
Responsible 4 what I post. Not what you understand
07:59 PM on 10/15/2012
You made me laugh and think... Good post.
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NYCastoria
The more I learn, the less I no.
06:31 PM on 10/15/2012
Before 2001, education for girls was completely banned and public executions of women for whatever "offense" the Taliban determined was common place. It's not much better now but you are trying to change a culture centuries in the making and the US won't be able to do that.
Poverty is the biggest problem when the only thing you can own is your wife and children. Add in fundamental radicals and you get the worst scenario.
Only Afghans can fix Afghanistan, period.
codwix
free to move, but not to dance
06:30 PM on 10/15/2012
Violence Against Women In the United States: Are Things Changing For The Better Or Worse? Ask the GOP.