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geaaronson
01:51 PM on 05/15/2009
As a matter of fact the Geneva accords do cover guerrilla warfare. You need to check your facts.
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11:26 AM on 05/15/2009
That's what they do, dearie, they lie, and we pay them to do it. Unlike the churches to whom we merely 'donate' money so they can perpetuate a more pleasant fantasy. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it.
11:13 AM on 05/15/2009
This just in......
Other things Nancy Pelosi didn't know: Water is wet and fire is hot.
08:31 AM on 05/16/2009
How dare you use John Lydon's image in vain!
11:10 AM on 05/15/2009
If you are having a bad day, just remember this -

Somewhere in the world there is a Mr. Pelosi.
10:42 AM on 05/15/2009
Pelosi's days are numbered as speaker. Her fellow Dems are already starting to distance themselves from her. Everyone knows she is lying and trying to cover her butt. Can't have it both ways Nancy, if you were ok with it early on, and you were, then leave your self righteous crap at home.
12:17 PM on 05/15/2009
Classic case of Red Herring. Republicans are trying to distract from the topic torture and their party's sanction of it.
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Pleneras
07:47 PM on 05/15/2009
Investigations of the firings of the Attorneys are underway. More lies, crimes and misdemeanor's by the Bush and Cheney administations will be revealed. Prosecute these crooks.
10:24 AM on 05/15/2009
This is all so silly and it is obvious what the Republican Party is trying to do. They want to take the focus off those who are directly involved in torture (water boarding). It's funny how the media is falling for it hook, line and sinker. The fact is Pelosi had no power at the time, and she committed no crime, whether she knew about it or not. Those who put a water-boarding policy in place and those who carried it out are the ones who broke the law (Geneva Convention).
Now think about this: Former President Bush, Carl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney first denied torturing prisoners, and then they said water-boarding is not torture, and now they are inadvertently admitting they tortured people by trying to imply Pelosi knew they was breaking the law.
Now the media is overlooking the guilty ones who confessed, in favor of discrediting someone who may or may not know what was going on. This is totally ridiculous. Pelosi did not commit a single war crime and she has a right to call anyone a liar if she believed it happened.
This is about taking the focus off the guilty. Carl Rove is a master at deception and redirecting the media’s attention away from the suspicious ones/Republicans, while at the same time creating diversions. The media need to put the focus back where it belong directly with those in charged- who misled, lied, tortured and committed war crimes.
11:04 AM on 05/15/2009
1] The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to guerrilla warfare and should never , ever been mentioned in the same breath as Iraqi.
2] We can disagree about water boarding all you want, but the problem with this issue is caterpillars, and female interrogators is not torture.

Congress wants to stick it's nose into everything and now it is the GOP that is causing problems. Pelosi and the Demo-rats were in charge when she first claims she wasn't told. Now she admits she was distracted because she had to make sure McCain didn't win

Remember Panneta is in charge of the CIA now and he is backing the CIA's version. Or, is he afraid jack Bauer might visit one night and ...
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MNValley
Volens et Potens
11:18 AM on 05/15/2009
Panetta was not in charge when the tapes got destroyed...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20071211_scheer_dec_12_waterboarding_our_democracy/

When the CIA destroyed those prisoner interrogation videotapes, was it also destroying the truth about 9/11? After all, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the basic narrative of what happened on that day—and the definition of the enemy in this war on terror that George W. Bush launched in response to the tragedy—comes from the CIA’s account of what those prisoners told their torturers. The commission was never allowed to interview the prisoners, or speak with those who did, and was instead forced to rely on what the CIA was willing to relay.

On the matter of the existence of the tapes, we know the CIA lied, not only to the 9/11 Commission but to Congress as well. Given that the Bush administration has for six years refused those prisoners any sort of public legal exposure, why should we believe what we’ve been told about what may turn out to be the most important transformative event in our nation’s history? On the basis of what the CIA claimed the tortured prisoners said, President Bush launched a “Global War on Terrorism” (GWOT), an endless war that threatens to bankrupt our society both financially and morally.
10:17 AM on 05/15/2009
There is little doubt the CIA has lied to Congress, but can you also doubt that Pelosi has stepped on a land mine that will destroy her place in history? In this case I believe the CIA told her and her surprising honesty that "it was more important to get Obama elected." is damning in her priorities for us because as Speaker of the House she works for us not some high class San Fransisco district.

As the Number 3 in Succession and someone who is usually politically savvy she gets the "Bag-o-rocks" Award. And all because she didn't have the guts to say something like "at the time I though these actions were in our best interests. I no longer drink the Kool-aid and now see the light."

Our friend the baudacious buccaneer sees things scurrying maybe she sees all of Pelosi's demo-rats scurrying over to Stenny's side?
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Pleneras
07:54 PM on 05/15/2009
Yes I can doubt. Gossip and childish tv talks have no power over facts. Pelosi is one smart cookie. She just has to call out any CIA as a liar next time. They deliberately misinformed her and then claimed they told her. No proof of them ever telling her the truth. Why should they? Bush and Cheney were in charge and Pelosi was not in bed with them on torture. The media is trying hard to make the lizard brains get angry over someone supposedly being told and not remembering to divert the real crime which is torture by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove. These are the people that need to be in jail.
09:43 AM on 05/15/2009
watched senator on tv this morning and he said that the cia never lies to members of congress, give me a frickin break. This is total bs. If anyone believes this you are dumb as a bag of rocks.
10:16 AM on 05/15/2009
So far the evidence is in favor of the CIA telling the truth and Pelosi lying. Got some new evidence?
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MNValley
Volens et Potens
11:06 AM on 05/15/2009
How about below - it falls in line with what Pelosi is saying and helps explains the CIA behavior...

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/05/the_truth_about/
09:41 AM on 05/15/2009
Was she for torture before she was against it, or was she always for it until recently? What's her story today?
10:12 AM on 05/15/2009
Why are you being willfully ignorant of the facts. Where I come from we calling that lying.
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MNValley
Volens et Potens
10:12 AM on 05/15/2009
Between 2006 and 2008, the Democrats did not have a veto proof Congress.
The Republicans blocked inquiring just as they continue their obstructionist behavior today...
10:29 AM on 05/15/2009
Thanks for clearing that up...
09:34 AM on 05/15/2009
We see this over and over. "It wasn't me", "It's not my fault", "Johnny lied". Time after time cases like this make headlines. Every time, except in rare cases like Nixon's impeachment, a sacrificial lamb is held up. All these lambs know that one day, if things get out, they will play their part. How many times must we see it? We'll see it again if the 9/11 story - gets out. Usually the same people who direct the public slaying of the lamb can get the story back in the bag by distracting the public with an orchestrated crisis. Sometimes it can't be contained, like with, "Oh oh, we're completely broke". All sorts of other "alarming stories" have been allowed to develop to take peoples eye's off of that. A long line of lambs were paraded. None of which could have accomplished their parts in the collapse without government setting the stage. The stage setters were promoted. The part players were paid off and told to lay low. On and on. Year after year. Decade after decade.
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coliwabl
09:16 AM on 05/15/2009
We will never know the truth without a full investigation.
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Baudacious Buccaneer
But where's the rum?
09:15 AM on 05/15/2009
Pelosi has proclaimed Light and Truth to We the People. Hail to the Truth!
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Baudacious Buccaneer
But where's the rum?
09:14 AM on 05/15/2009
When Pelosi demonstrated the capability of telling 'We the People' about the collusive and evil intention and conduct of the CIA, the Truth has been spoken and has gone forth to illumincate the dark caves and hiding places.

Watch as the guility scurry from the light.
09:05 AM on 05/15/2009
Pelosi's days are numbered as Speaker. She is going to be tossed to the media wolves by the democrats and will be forced to step down.
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Baudacious Buccaneer
But where's the rum?
09:11 AM on 05/15/2009
From which kindgom of darkness does a thought like this emerge?
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Baudacious Buccaneer
But where's the rum?
09:12 AM on 05/15/2009
Speaker Pelosi't decree and proclamation came from the House of Light, Truth and Hope, and not the Kingdom of Darkness inhabited by neo-con mice.
08:52 AM on 05/15/2009
One more point being IGNORED by the media while lots of garbage is being thrown around over what SHE DID while NO QUESTIONS ARE BEING RAISED OVER WHAT THE GOP DID?

Speaker Pelosi states that the lead Dem. ranking member of committee in 2003, wrote to object to the CIA to object to the use of torture. This appears to suggest that the ranking member wrote on behalf of democrats. Why is this being ignored?

On MSNBC, a guest to the program states that had there been serious concerns in 2002 - 2003 over the use of torture, that Congress could have taken actions to withhold funding to the CIA.
What is interesting about this outrageous suggestion is that Morning Joe FAILS TO RECOLLECT WHO WAS IN LEADERSHIP IN BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE THUS SUGGESTING, PERHAPS WITHOUT REALIZING IT, THAT IT WAS THE GOP LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS THAT WENT ALONG WITH A KNOWN VIOLATION OF U.S. LAWS AND VIOLATIONS OF GENEVA CONVENTION, WHILE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD ISSUED A PROTEST VIA THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE COMMITTEE BEING BRIEFED.
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Baudacious Buccaneer
But where's the rum?
08:59 AM on 05/15/2009
Pelosi is pointing the People to the story of the collusive deception created and sustained by the Bush Administration.

Morning Joe missed the mice caught in her trap entirely.