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09:21 PM on 11/09/2012
Okay. I'm waiting for the thousands of paid posters saying That It's a Lie! Tell me who pays you to post, or don't post.
09:28 PM on 11/09/2012
Cowards! You know you are out there, and making more a year than any nurse or EMI technician and are wetting your pants that anyone knows that.
09:31 AM on 11/10/2012
You're going to make me do just that if I keep reading you.
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QuietLightTraveler
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08:47 PM on 11/09/2012
Dam, what is my ex boss doing on Facebook ?
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Ante Jutronic
eyeless mask
08:12 PM on 11/09/2012
The reconstruction is not that good. He was only 45 when he died, and he didn't have the life of a drug addicted homeless. The lives of people 5.000 years ago, weren't that bad. They spent most of their their lives outdoors, with lots of physical action and healthy food. I think the artist imagined Otzi like a survivor from Hell.
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JShankel
I want my country forward
07:16 PM on 11/09/2012
No word yet on Maverick's relatives.
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Marcusarilius
Marooned Star Traveler
06:48 PM on 11/09/2012
I wonder how much they would take for this guy? He would make a nice Halloween prop and conversation piece. Also, Being "Ice Man" and all, he could watch "Top Gun" with me.
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Robert SF
06:46 PM on 11/09/2012
"Scientists sequenced Ötzi's genome earlier this year, yielding a surprising result: The Iceman was more closely related to present-day Sardinians than he was to present-day Central Europeans."
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The "surprising result" part is a bit of journalistic license. It should come as no surprise at all. Sardinia is a hilly island roughly 70 miles wide by 140 miles long. It was inhabited early in prehistory and never occupied by others even though different states at different times used it and claimed it.

On the other hand, the European mainland saw an enormous turnover in peoples, an endless stream of migrating tribes who displaced whoever was there at the time. What Europeans did to the Native Americans, they also did in Europe, over and over and over.

It would have been truly surprising if the Iceman were found to be closely related to today's Central Europeans. The question would then be, how did a man from the Caspian steppes make it all the way to the Alps in his own lifetime?
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uniqumm
Hot Snark served with relish
09:57 PM on 11/09/2012
How did the Lewis & Clark expedition make it to the west coast and back to St. Louis?
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Mary2NOLA
Laissez les bons temps rouler
01:48 PM on 11/12/2012
An interesting question, Robert. However, the more archaeologists learn, the smarter our ancestors seem to be.

These people had the same IQ as people today (with the possible exception of Republicans who are not as smart as our ancestors). Meaning all they lacked was knowledge. They seem to have been as curious as we are now.

There is quite a bit of evidence of trade routes in place thousands of years ago. Maybe Otzi was a trader. Or maybe just a guy who got banned for bad behavior.

Yeah, I'd love to know too.
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JuniorBug
Liberal-vegetarian-secular-Christian-Texan
06:41 PM on 11/09/2012
How adventurous would you have had to be to travel so far, so long ago? There's a part of me that regrets being born in a time when there are so few fantastic fundamental mysteries anymore.

(And before some smarty pants tells me there are still mysteries, let me rephrase it: I'm a little peeved at science for debunking sea monsters.)
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Marcusarilius
Marooned Star Traveler
06:53 PM on 11/09/2012
I don't know about sea monsters much, but Lake Champlain seems to hold promise. Also a few lakes in western Canada. I wouldn't discount these places out at all.
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JuniorBug
Liberal-vegetarian-secular-Christian-Texan
06:59 PM on 11/09/2012
Hooray! Now we just need to keep those pesky scientists with all their fancy research and methods out.
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carledgar
Eschew the passive voice in breaking news stories
08:15 PM on 11/09/2012
What about lake Memphremagog - a mere stone's throw from Champlain (where I repined frequently on Isle la Motte at one time)
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Lenape105
Lift the cap on Social Security
01:16 AM on 11/10/2012
There are many fundamental mysteries still waiting to be explored.
Problem is, many of them require an advanced degree in physics and a billion dollars worth of equipment.
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JuniorBug
Liberal-vegetarian-secular-Christian-Texan
03:47 AM on 11/10/2012
I'm going to take that as an implicit acknowledgement that dragons might be real.
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Autora
No micro-bio for me, thanks
06:17 PM on 11/09/2012
Fascinating stuff. It is amazing to know how far we have come, what with genome research-- that we can actually back track someone who died thousands of years ago in this way. Wow.

The only bone I have to pick with this article, is that it was not explained why the choices are Sweden or Sardinia-- they are not remotely close to each other?
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uniqumm
Hot Snark served with relish
09:59 PM on 11/09/2012
Ahem.....

"bone to pick"?
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Autora
No micro-bio for me, thanks
11:27 PM on 11/09/2012
Obviously, the pun was unintentional, laugh! You are entirely right, but I did not even notice it at the time, or I wouldn't have said it.

Thanks, Uniquum, for the catch.
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Deb Jesser
For What It's Worth
01:44 AM on 11/10/2012
It is fascinating. I had my MtDNA done through Nat Geo project a few years back. Turns out my maternal line is J*, Jasmine, which originated in the Middle East and supposedly brought farming to Europe. Can't go back too far on my maternal line, but what I do know is south-central Germany or Bavaria. Who'd a thunk?
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Autora
No micro-bio for me, thanks
11:24 AM on 11/10/2012
Oh what fun for you. I did not know us normal people (so to speak) could do that. I recently hired a geneologist to backtrack the family, and was amazed she could trace one line into the 1500's, and she was pretty sure records went back even further. But she was very remote, this 6th grandmother of some 4th cousin or something, so I said don't bother, but thanks for telling me.

It must be literally awesome to find out you actually 'came' from the Middle East, Germany and/or Bavaria!
06:11 PM on 11/09/2012
I hope I look that good when I'm 5,000.
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06:44 PM on 11/09/2012
IF we put you in a freeze dried environment, and keep bacteria and other bugs from eatin' you, I'd say you might look as good as Lenin, sans the wax hands and nose. Seriously, water must be removed and the freezing process should not rupture any tissues, especially the skin.

How's the Moon for you? Or IF you are young and spunky enough, maybe you could be on one of those Mars One trips, where the person is delivered there never to return. Bodies must be kept from the enviornment, so that might be well if you can take a spent rocket tube buried in a plain under sand.

Here's lookin' at you! Well, I guess I won't... but it's the thought that counts!

BZ.
07:26 PM on 11/09/2012
you made me laugh, THANKS!
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BlogBrasky
"How about a little fanfare?"
05:56 PM on 11/09/2012
Didn't Gene Hackman byatchslap that guy?
05:50 PM on 11/09/2012
I recognize that picture. Ötzi has been in the news a lot lately, but most of the recent articles simply referred to him as "the undecided voter."
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uniqumm
Hot Snark served with relish
10:01 PM on 11/09/2012
OK. It's an original one, rather than one that's been circulating since Monroe's days.
05:45 PM on 11/09/2012
looks a bit like Kris Kristofferson to me ...
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mmiller459
I am the nothing man
06:40 PM on 11/09/2012
Looks more like Ted Nugent to me...
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hdohighdesertobserver
The high desert is a place in between
09:18 PM on 11/09/2012
I say Nick Nolte.
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edenooch
nefarious humor
04:08 PM on 11/09/2012
i would have said chuck liddell
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ljsurf322
05:40 PM on 11/09/2012
LOL
04:05 PM on 11/09/2012
Speaking as an archaeologist (M.A. Anthropology) I think people in the profession who still have not come to terms with the very real likelihood that prehistoric peoples during all eras of the past traveled great distances regularly is a mindset reflective of your culture NOT theirs.
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EC001
04:53 PM on 11/09/2012
And you aren't reflecting your cultural biases when you reject the ideas of others?
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voteindependent
stultorum nunquam discere
04:59 PM on 11/09/2012
F & F from a fellow digger
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BenC460
I think therefore I am not a Republican
03:51 PM on 11/09/2012
He shares the genetics of Central Europeans and Sardinians but the social values of the GOP.
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EC001
04:55 PM on 11/09/2012
Please! Even Neanderthals were socially progressive than the GOP.