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Lee Andrew
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12:33 PM on 06/23/2009
Here's the problem I still believe that the LGBT community has issues that it itself needs to address- where's the voice of reason about that? Racism, sexism, socioeconomic and professional gays in it for all they can get for themselves.

Lord, we have much to clean-up,forty years have passed and we've forgotten somethings.

I'd like to see outrage about this!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13890650/Evidence

Lee
12:34 PM on 06/23/2009
Lee my friend,

How are you?
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Lee Andrew
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12:37 PM on 06/23/2009
Hello_ I am good ready for duty! :-)
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
12:34 PM on 06/23/2009
Frankly, if this standard applied to straight people, there'd be a whole lot more Americans using their mother's maiden name.
12:23 PM on 06/23/2009
The only way LGBT community will get any respect is if we put a Lesbian or Gay in the White House. African Americans thought it would never happen for them.

We can do it, yes we can.
12:25 PM on 06/23/2009
What is it that you want?
12:26 PM on 06/23/2009
There's great evidence to suggest that we've already had gay presidents. Also, I think indicating hat we don't have any respect now is a stretch.
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klandish
the small minded are hiding everywhere
12:36 PM on 06/23/2009
Where do you live?
12:19 PM on 06/23/2009
Screw Obama. I'm voting Republican. All gay people should vote Republican...oh...wait...

Obama shouldn't be bullied into accepting the demands of liberal fringe groups who blackmail him financially.

I'm a moderate Democrat and Obama supporter and I don't support gay marriage.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
12:23 PM on 06/23/2009
We're not a 'fringe group,' we're a significant percentage of the American population not enjoying the equality promised by our citizenship. This is acceptable to you?
12:29 PM on 06/23/2009
The mainstream shouldn't be forced to endorse every sexual fetish and sexuality under the sun. I bet those other people would also like to enjoy so called "equality" and acceptance of their sexuality.
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12:25 PM on 06/23/2009
So, now the gay community is a "fringe group." Geesh! I'm outta here. I have traffic school...
12:30 PM on 06/23/2009
LOL! See, getting all worked up is having bad results :-)
12:57 PM on 06/23/2009
You said a cotton pickin mouthful...every time I look at a thread concerning gay rights, on a progressive blog, I see just as much hate as the right can whip up. I got better things to do than to hurl virtual epithets at morons.
12:09 PM on 06/23/2009
The problem facing the gay community is the bigotry and radical behaviors of some.
12:10 PM on 06/23/2009
The problem facing any community is the bigotry and radical behaviors of some.
12:13 PM on 06/23/2009
But TainoBoy was addressing the gay community. So your generalized statement was pointless to make.
12:15 PM on 06/23/2009
At least they not wishing for Hillary to be President like gay people are.

Bill Clinton did so much for them with DADT, they want more.
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Steamboater
Forget hope. Agitate.
02:06 PM on 06/23/2009
The problem facing the Gay community are people like you who can't admit that the guy you voted for is beyond question.
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12:07 PM on 06/23/2009
I was a working class political activist back in the days of the late 60s and early 70s, and while in the women's movement, we had many lesbians involved; also in the anti-war movement there were gays of both sexes. Remember going to women's conferences where bisexuals were raked over the coals--you had to make a "choice" as to whether you were straight or gay, and most of the participants were white women. Never saw an actually separate national "movement" for LGBT rights, per se, even with the Stonewall action, seems gays sort of "piggybacked" on other movements back then, and today, it seems white gay males predominate, online, at least. Most gays sites I read say very little about economic, educational or social equality for others except as an afterthought.

Every gay person connected with any of that past political activity seems to have gone on to careers, gentrifying neighborhoods, and supporting the status quo, instead of building a viable, grassroots political movement that would have clout when the time came--like now. Instead, what's there are creaky "civil rights" organizations which seem to only concentrate on legal issues, one case at a time, unlike the movements we had back then. Having gay pride parades is pretty much an entertainment and does nothing to actually raise the consciousness of people you're trying to convince that you deserve the same civil rights as everyone.
12:23 PM on 06/23/2009
MadHeart
you skipped TWO DECADES dearie
The ones where 60% of the West Coast, 50% of the East Coast and a third of the rest of the country's gays were left to DIE in the streets, and it was ONLY our community building the hospices, and support groups, and demanding drugs, and fighting for even MINIMAL humane treatment in hospitals....like bringing the G*D DAMN feeding tables in AIDS patient's rooms.
Had MY community not faced a pandemic we would already have EQUALITY.
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12:35 PM on 06/23/2009
Please don't get hysterical. A lot of heteros were very helpful during the AIDS epidemic among gays as well, and you know that; many of them doing heroic work as well as gays. And you know damn well if the baths had been shut down earlier, there would have been fewer deaths. BTW, I never saw one person with AIDS "die in the streets" at least here in NC. It's odd that the coasts, where lots of gay people live would so cruel, either.

Sorry your opinion of heteros is so slanted. But I won't hold it against you.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
12:30 PM on 06/23/2009
The consciousness that we're here and that there's a lot of us *is* useful.

Frankly, I think even the oft-criticized outrageous drag queens, over time, help. Taken out of the recesses of people's imaginations, people learn it's kind of a silly thing to be so afraid of.

On one hand we have people claiming, falsely, that 'Gays didn't help with civil rights for others' and on the other, claiming we 'piggybacked' somehow on other people's 'causes' by doing just that.

Gay neighborhoods 'gentrify'... (as in recover from urban blight) cause people often with extreme societal disadvantages (like often starting out with no support from their families that others take for granted,) move, along with a lot of artists and creative types, into the places others haven't priced them out of and make them... Desirable places to live. This is *bad?*
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12:43 PM on 06/23/2009
Gentrification is very bad for poor populations. It displaces them, and none can afford to live there any longer. I saw it with my own eyes over the years, even my own neighborhood was affected. And I got no support from my family either, with 2 kids and my own political beliefs. My support came from the movement I was in.
11:58 AM on 06/23/2009
I think its great that he's bringing together gay leaders to celebrate the 40th anniversary. I've read through quite a few posts and I feel the need to express my own gay views. We have been smacked around by society for decades and used as a political football by other politicians and presidents. Not Obama. He made some major promises to the gay community and I think we need to give him some time to make these things happen. The man should get at least another year to year and a half before you can honestly say he has abandoned his promises. And if that time comes I will be standing in front of the White House with my picket signs and actively work to dissuade people from funding Democrats who break their word in the name of political safety.

I'm honestly floored that many posters on here feel that the gay community needs to sit back on the bench because there are other important issues that Obama needs to adress first. I say to those people what if you were in my shoes? How would you like being told to wait time after time because there are more pressing issues. There will always be some excuse as to why civil rights are not urgent. I am not a hardline radical of the gay community so I will give the president some time to show the leadership he touts on these issues but not forever.
12:05 PM on 06/23/2009
If I were in your shoes, I'd like to think I'd have more perspective. I'd be harder on the people I like and agree with than those I don't. I'd address the blowhards and the extremists who make me look bad by association instead of fighting the paper lion of bigotry and oppression just because it's easier to make generalized accusations of bigotry than it is to actually try and change people's minds by listening and understanding where they're coming from.

I'd take up the mantle for other people's causes instead of just being interested in my own. I'd address my own bigotries and ask myself, "how can I criticize someone else for justifying their own bigotry when I'm guilty of the same thing." I'd tell people of my community to stop being so quick to call people homophobes and take a long look in the mirror. I'd quit WHINING every time someone didn't agree with my point of view, and I'd critically engage that point of view because pointing the finger at someone else for not "getting it".
12:12 PM on 06/23/2009
But as a gay black man I would ask you this in return:

Do look at the ways in which you are privileged in this society simply because you are straight. If you are a Christian, do look at the ways in which you are privileged in this society for being Christian.
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blukazoo
I support your right to disagree.
12:13 PM on 06/23/2009
Demanding civil rights is not "whining".
12:06 PM on 06/23/2009
AndyHoboken

Well stated, your argument was by far the best I've read on this topic.
11:50 AM on 06/23/2009
I just do not understand what "civil rights" the LGBT community has been denied. In my opinion marriage is a civil union, but not between two people of the same sex. What other civil rights have gays been denied? To try to bully President Obama into making the states accept the union of marriage between two people of the same sex is disgusting. Personally, I hope President Obama stays true to his belief because it does not violate anyone's rights.
11:53 AM on 06/23/2009
Cosign!
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blukazoo
I support your right to disagree.
12:23 PM on 06/23/2009
Still the wrong moniker. No love here.
11:55 AM on 06/23/2009
Another option would be to simply allow benefits, inheritance, etc. to not be marriage based. It does get tricky with citizenship and adoption though--gay couples should somehow have those rights too, IMO, and they're marriage-based.
02:05 PM on 06/23/2009
Domestic Partnerships.
This would protect other sorts of domestic relationships as well.
11:47 AM on 06/23/2009
WITH ALL THIS BASHING OF THE PRESIDENT COMING FROM THE GAY COMMUNITY SERIOUSLY I AM STARTING NOT TO CARE IF THEY EVER GET THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED
11:50 AM on 06/23/2009
I'm trying hard not to feel this way. I have friends that I care about and I want them to live happy lives. But seriously, this is getting to be annoying. I will continue to support them regardless of the posts I've read from some in the GLTB community.
11:53 AM on 06/23/2009
yeah, chrissy and fya--best not to read these threads. Keep supporting us though please--we don't all feel this way and I personally am pretty happy with Obama so far.
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Mattylock
Apparently common sense is not common.
01:19 PM on 06/23/2009
That's how I feel about it. I'm going to support gay civil rights despite the gay community.
11:52 AM on 06/23/2009
With all the blind defense of the president coming from Dems Im starting not to care if President Obama would let Republicans come back into power and send us on a Kamikazi religious crusade to Iran that would make The Book of Revelations predictions come true.
11:57 AM on 06/23/2009
Um, well, I suppose that's one idea of how to handle the situation. Seems a bit extreme to usher in a humanitarian calamity over gay marriage or DADT.
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ThomasMc
Christian morality is an oxymoron.
11:39 AM on 06/23/2009
After he defended DOMA in court, they should REFUSE to meet with him, and be very public about it!
11:43 AM on 06/23/2009
He didn't defend DOMA--he just didn't want it dealt with in the courts, and I think he's right.
11:45 AM on 06/23/2009
SiberianRat,

Some people just don't get it.
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aftershock
11:46 AM on 06/23/2009
Than they should've filed a motion to dismiss because the plaintiffs lacked standing. The brief they filed was unnecessary and damaging, how can you not see that?!? What's he going to say now when the GOP argues, oh well we're just agreeing with the President, he said he agreed with what was filed in the DOMA brief. Getting it yet?
11:38 AM on 06/23/2009
Gays and Lesbians want FULL patnership healthcare. What Obama is doing is insulting . If Hillary were president Gays and Lesbians would be taken care of.
11:39 AM on 06/23/2009
Now stop being so silly.
11:46 AM on 06/23/2009
Write her in for 2012. Yes She Can!
11:53 AM on 06/23/2009
CaliforniaLove

Who signed DADT into law?
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11:33 AM on 06/23/2009
Gays should tread very carefully when making comparisons to the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s. Many blacks view homosexuality to be quite a different animal than being black for what I believe to be two predominant reasons:

1- Someone always knows if you're black
2- Being black is not a lifestyle choice

Perhaps this comparison is one reason why blacks are far more anti-gay than other races ...
11:36 AM on 06/23/2009
Cosign! Until gays realize those two points, they will always be shunned by blacks when they try to draw their faux comparison to the black's civil rights movement.
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Mattylock
Apparently common sense is not common.
11:36 AM on 06/23/2009
While I agree that most black folks I know consider the comparison of homosexuality to being black offensive, I disagree that blacks "are far more anti-gay than other races." The leading indicator of one's perspective on homosexuality is religion, not race. Black folks do tend to go to church more than other ehtnic groups.
11:41 AM on 06/23/2009
People are trying to divide and conquer by pointing out the correlation between race and religion (blacks and latinos are generally more attached to their religion than caucasians. That's just a fact) and blaming the cause of homophobia on the race, not the religion because race is easier to point to and blame
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teron678
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11:42 AM on 06/23/2009
true ...........
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december30
11:27 AM on 06/23/2009
To: ALL IMPATIENT, GAY PEOPLE. Go ahead and support the Republicans and see how far you get.
11:29 AM on 06/23/2009
You don't seem to have given this much thought if you think those are the only options, or if you think those two options may be all that different.
11:30 AM on 06/23/2009
I'm in agreement with you, at least Obama is sympathetic to the gay community cause, but I doubt a republican president would even dare to care.
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aftershock
11:43 AM on 06/23/2009
Oh yeah that DOMA brief was REAL sympathetic.
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Steamboater
Forget hope. Agitate.
12:51 PM on 06/23/2009
If you want sympathy, send a Hallmark. We want equal rights.
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AguynamedWayne
11:26 AM on 06/23/2009
It is so easy for heterosexuals to tell gays we need to just be patient and wait. But what if the shoe was on the other foot. How long would they remain patient if their rights were taken away? Would they stay patient for a month if they were told their marriages are no longer valid? Would they keep patient for a week if they were barred from even visiting their sick husband or wife in the hospital? Would they keep patient if heterosexual widows no longer received social security benefits?

I bet those calls to be patient would fly out the window, QUICK!
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teron678
A Pessimistic Optimist
11:16 AM on 06/23/2009
These Threads concerning Gays are always interesting ........ reading the comments for the moment ....
11:20 AM on 06/23/2009
lol, they're exhausting too :-)
11:26 AM on 06/23/2009
Tell me about it. lol
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proggirl
adjunct professor, artist, writer
11:37 AM on 06/23/2009
Yeah, it's so tedious when people want rights.
11:37 AM on 06/23/2009
It's always an adventure.
11:05 AM on 06/23/2009
To those saying GLBT people should just trust Obama to move quietly on equal rights, I ask on what basis we should place our trust.

Thank you.
11:08 AM on 06/23/2009
Thank you.
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ThatOne4Me
11:11 AM on 06/23/2009
There is none. If we have to scratch and claw for everything, so be it. Be the squeaky wheel.
11:14 AM on 06/23/2009
There's also a saying that the nail that's sticking up is the one that gets hammered.