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12:33 AM on 11/30/2012
WE SHOULD GET OUT OF THE U.N. BECAUSE IN NO WAY THEY SHOULD HAVE POWER OVER US.
DOES ANYONE NOT READ THEIR bIBLE ANYMORE. GO T0 GENESIS;12-2-3. tHE hOLY lAND, WAS GIVEN THOUSANDS TO G-D''S CHOSEN PEOPLE IN A COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM. I AM JEWISH & PROUD OF IT.
THE U.S. & ALL OTHER COUNTRIES WILL NEED TO KNOW THE WRATH OF HASEM WILL BE SEEN LIKE NEVER BEFORE. MORE HURRICANES & STORMS, MORE WILD FIRES,MORE EARTHQUAKES, MORE NATURAL DISASTERS MORE ILLNESSES WITH CURES iF YOU CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN,I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD THING. "Sha-alu Shalom Yerushalauim" PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM~
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05:09 AM on 11/30/2012
Nah
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Sandeep Singh
06:13 AM on 11/30/2012
Crawl back under the rock dude, you belong there.
A Jew with a View
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10:39 PM on 11/29/2012
“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.” Yasser Arafat

Israel withdrew from Gaza and left it to the Palestinians to determine their own fate. They responded by sending missles into Israel. Now with today's vote and still no agreement on a final peace deal, one has to wonder if Arafat's words and plans are not coming to fruition.
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orcinusorca47
To Whose Benefit?
11:22 PM on 11/29/2012
No valid arguments. Just accusations that a dead man wanted to do what Israel does. Don't you feel proud of what you do? Sort of like Bernie Madoff without the skill.
08:21 AM on 11/30/2012
>>>No valid arguments. Just accusations that a dead man wanted to do what Israel does. Don't you feel proud of what you do? Sort of like Bernie Madoff without the skill.

Actually his argument was spot on. And, because you know it, you lashed out and proved to everyone you're a genuine, certifiable anti-Semite. No, you can't hide saying you're just engaging in free, political discourse. The Bernie Madoff reference tipped your hand. :)
A Jew with a View
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08:41 AM on 11/30/2012
Not arguing.  Makinig an observation.  And yes, I am proud of what I do.  I advocate for peace beetween Israel and the Palestinians.  Why not join me?
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05:11 AM on 11/30/2012
Israel had no right to be in Gaza. Palestinians have nothing to thank them for
05:45 AM on 11/30/2012
So they have to shoot rockets after Israel let them rule Gaza....
A Jew with a View
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08:43 AM on 11/30/2012
I didn't suggest that Palestinians thank them.  I suggested that they pursue their own fate-one that did not include launching missles against Israel which resulted in destruction and death for their people.
10:35 PM on 11/29/2012
Arthur Koestler ( A Hungarian Jew ) wrote that in the letter "one nation solemnly promised to a second nation the country of a third." More than that, the country was still part of the Empire of a fourth, namely Turkey.

It read:

Foreign Office, November 2nd,1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you on behalf of His Majesty's Government the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations, which has been submitted to and approved by the Cabinet:

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this Declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour
08:22 AM on 11/30/2012
And?
09:32 PM on 11/30/2012
learn some history.
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08:25 AM on 11/30/2012
Not quite Turkey - the Ottoman Empire. It should be noted that Palestine, along with the rest of Arab SW Asia, had been promised freedom from outside interference in 1915, via the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence. It is this promise that Britain betrayed in its Balfour Note.
09:32 PM on 11/30/2012
agreed
10:32 PM on 11/29/2012
The rest of the world has learned its history, Only ignorant Americans buy Israels lies !
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orcinusorca47
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11:26 PM on 11/29/2012
Fewer of us every day are that ignorant.
08:23 AM on 11/30/2012
>>>The rest of the world has learned its history, Only ignorant Americans buy Israels lies !

Americans have learned their history. The rest of the world buys Arab oil. :)
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Rick Bullock
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08:57 AM on 11/30/2012
And the US is poised to become the world's largest producter of petroleum thanks to shale fracking. Concern for Arab oil, especially as many of their reserves will be depleted in the next 5-10 years, is not as big a driving force.
09:57 PM on 11/29/2012
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Israel is the only country that provides for freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, and freedom from fear. As one who has visited Israel five times, including a semester where I had the honor of teaching in an Israeli university (with Arab students), I have first-hand knowledge. My wife and I both have relatives living in Israel, and we are in telephone and internet contact. Yes, I do favor a two-state solution where Israel can live in peace and security and the Palestinians can live in an independent state and trade with Israel.
10:40 PM on 11/29/2012
Israel is a theocracy and demands to be recognized as such, and keeps Palestinians in concentration camps while stealing their land.
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11:28 PM on 11/29/2012
Israel is not a theocracy, that is ridiculous. It is a democracy. There are muslims in the knesset, in the IDF, and everywhere else. Get a grip.
08:25 AM on 11/30/2012
>>>Israel is a theocracy and demands to be recognized as such, and keeps Palestinians in concentration camps while stealing their land.

Israel isn't a theocracy, genius. And, despite untold billions in foreign aid, the "Palestinian" leadership keep their own people in camps to garner sympathy and more cash.
10:41 PM on 11/29/2012
Israel never wanted peace and does not today.
08:27 AM on 11/30/2012
>>>Israel never wanted peace and does not today.

That's why the Arabs rejected partition, we have the three Khatoum no's, Arafat's rejection of peace and Israel signed treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Oooops! Hey, if you're going to lie, at least make it somewhat credible.
09:37 PM on 11/29/2012
god bless america ...and palestine ...just wondering ...
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09:16 PM on 11/29/2012
Thursday's vote came on the same day, Nov. 29, that the U.N. General Assembly in 1947 voted to recognize a partitioned state in Palestine, with the jubilant revelers then Jews. Palestinians rejected that partition plan, and decades of tension and violence followed.

Real independence, however, remains an elusive dream until the Palestinians negotiate a peace deal with the Israelis, who warned that the General Assembly action will only delay a lasting solution. Israel still controls the West Bank, east Jerusalem and access to Gaza, and it accused the Palestinians of bypassing negotiations with the campaign to upgrade their U.N. status.

so why the Israeli and its main ally the US not interested in resolving this long ailing conflict of the Middle East through a more peace full meaning in such a time showing to the world that US is on humanitarian side of the conflict and there is no need for further causing the conflict if the Palestinian have not won their rights yet to the 1967 border lines.
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orcinusorca47
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11:29 PM on 11/29/2012
Israel believes they can take everything as soon as they starve/shoot the Palestinians out.
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bellmotor
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03:20 AM on 11/30/2012
Even though it understood the material security brought by the Sinai, Israel surrendered the Peninsula for the promise by both Egypt and Israel to recognize the rights of each state’s territorial integrity and survival. This was the basis of the peace that has existed between Israel and Egypt, but it would never have occurred had Israel or Egypt not moved from an identity of mutual animosity to one of mutual peace. That is, Begin would never have been able to trade the Sinai for the West Bank and conclude a peace with Egypt unless Israel and Egypt had already made a mutual identity shift from enemies to co-habitants.

http://isanet.ccit.arizona.edu/noarchive/charleslu.html

the Israeli won the 1967 war against its neighbor Arabs and Israeli have been only willing to give Palestinian a state of their own based on negotiation of a new border line and not returning to its border line of 1967 since they think Palestinian have not won the conflict through a war yet to pre-1967 border and why should they return the land for peace!
08:30 AM on 11/30/2012
>>>Israel believes they can take everything as soon as they starve/shoot the Palestinians out.

Actually, in the aftermath of the Six Day War, Moshe Dyan told Arabs living in Judea and Sumaria they need not run, Israel had no beef with them. So, they didn't. Obviously he was wrong and so are you. But you know that don't you? The truth means little to you.
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04:28 AM on 11/30/2012
At last another person who has remided us all that Israel was established IN Palestine when tehy partitioned Palestine and planted the jews to allow them their "promised land". Over successive years Israel has expanded and marginalised the Palestinians so they are now seconf class citizens
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08:56 PM on 11/29/2012
"Netanyahu called the vote meaningless."
Anybody surprised? The whole world knows that the ball has been in the Israeli court for decades. And Israel refuses to do anything "meaningful". Just like this latest Israeli attack on Gaza, Israel always finds a way to keep the conflict going and they think they are so skillful in painting the Palestinians the guilty ones. That game is getting very old - like 60 years old. The world doesn't buy that anymore.
09:53 PM on 11/29/2012
Israel attacked Gaza ONLY after hundreds of rockets and missiles were fired into Israeli territory. Other democracies would not show the incredible restrain that Israel showed. What if Miami were attacked by Cuban missiles? Would not the United States respond? Millions of Israelis were forced to live in bomb shelters. If they went outdoors, they had only 15 seconds to seek shelter. As a former U.S. Army officer, I know that I would not want to live under these conditions, and I would attack the terrorists. Also, Hamas is a racist, Nazi, and terrorist organization. Article 7 of the Hamas Charter calls for the killing (extermination) of ALL Jews, including American Jews.
04:24 AM on 11/30/2012
Yet you failed to mention that Israel provoked the rocket attack by assassinating one of their commanders. What would Cuba's military do if the United States assassinated any of their people?
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09:01 AM on 11/30/2012
Actually, even before the assassination of the Palestinian negotiator (who had been actively negotiating the extension of a truce with Israel) - an Israeli convoy invaded Gaza and killed a teen boy playing soccer. They repeated this episode subsequently by killing several more teens. Of course, these acts of murder were met with a Palestinian response - and the Israeli assassination.
The Israeli situation cannot be compared to Miami and Cuba, unless we understand that Cuba is under US occupation and siege and responds with fairly pathetic rockets. (How many Israeli casualties in 12 years of rockets? Maybe two dozen? A morning's work for the IDF.) As for democracies showing restraint - the US is right now firing on Pakistan on an ongoing basis and making war on Afghanstan. And providing Israel with arms and diplomatic protection in the UN so Israel can cinch its conquest of all of Palestine.
As a former US army officer, you would want to live under the condtions that Gazans do? They are existing under conditions of near starvation and constant attack. With regard to Hamas racism, you only have to turn to Israel for the world's only remaining Apartheid rule. It's a country where in the Shouks women ask if the lemons are Jewish or Arab.
Hamas is not Nazi and its terrorism pails against that of Israel. Nazism is a European phenomenon, and if you must know, the ideology forms the historical basis for the Likud Party.
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08:53 PM on 11/29/2012
I don't understand our government's blindness to this Israeli situation with Palestein. How will living with the current situation for Palestein be made worse by this resolution? Israel can never be truly free until they allow the people in Palestein to have basic access to food, water, jobs, commerce and education. Maybe I am Naive but people who have the basic comforts in life don't want to disrupt it for any extremist causes. I would like to think that is is all about the Hawkish leadership in Israel but I am disappointed in the Obama's adminisrations isolated unilateral support of Israel.
09:41 PM on 11/29/2012
Check your spelling???... Palestine...not Palestein... The problem is with the HAMAS group of the Palestianian country. They will not recognize this UN mandate of making Palestine an independent country with the mandated boarders and division of Jerusalem. Hamas continues to fight with Israel... to send bombs into Israel's territory as Hamas want GAZA too and ALLl of Jerusalem. It is HAMAS... who keep up the fighting... and will NOT recognize the UN's mandate of the new Palestine country...be sure to check out the who's who in this war.
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09:21 AM on 11/30/2012
Hamas does not fight with Israel - Gaza is under siege and the West Bank under occupation. These are ILLEGAL conditions as per the UN. The primitive rockets Hamas sends into Israel are no match for the f16 fighter jets and Abrams tanks and cluster bombs and phosphorus bombs Israel unleashes on Gaza. Hey, it was Israel that invaded and occupied in 1967 - not the reverse.
Hamas recognizes the new state of Palestine - but it has to be followed up by Israeli withdrawal from territories invaded in 1967.
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08:06 PM on 11/30/2012
Yes, a major typo reversal transgression. I stand by what I said and don't be so insecure that you feel it is so important to point my typo out to make me feel bad. I assure you that it doesn't. I would address your response, but I will pass.
10:08 PM on 11/29/2012
" until they allow the people in Palestein to have basic access to food, water, jobs, commerce and education."

Palestinians have access to all these things. Inside the WB and Gaza - they have no right to it in israel.

And arab-israelis have access to all of these things inside israel.
07:02 AM on 11/30/2012
sorry, you are just fabricating facts. Druze in Israel are third class citizens. Enough BS.
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09:23 AM on 11/30/2012
And Israel had no right to invade the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 and remain all these years. That's your root cause of the conflict.
Israel counts calories that enter Gaza - keeps Gazans on a near starvation diet - and without clean water. Israel bombs water facilities, power plants, airport and seaport. Even leveled the soccer stadium. It is a cruel nation and the world just showed their displeasure with it.
Inside Israel, Palestinian Israelis are held under Jim Crow conditions.
08:49 PM on 11/29/2012
shouldn"t the democratic,free world be celebrating the statehood of a people??...just wondering ...
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09:27 PM on 11/29/2012
Do you end every post with "just wondering?" Just wondering.
10:10 PM on 11/29/2012
statehood doesn't equate with democracy. Why should democratic free states celebrate the establishment of a failed state that is fated to become a den for international terrorists who will attack democratic free states while oppressing their own populations and mooching off those same democratic free states?
12:45 AM on 11/30/2012
Statehood is a chance for democracy (and democracy isn't something you lump on a ppl; it's arrived at through a process, maybe even revolutions. But the decision is made by the ppl of that state.) and it's a first step in the right direction. With freedom ppl can now focus on other things: education, rebuilding (of nation and their broken spirits), economic development, etc. when a nation is oppressed in a way that Palestine has been, it's hard to focus on things other than your safety. And when entire families have been wiped out, it's hard to remain sane. Are you surprised that violence breeds more violence? The US needs to act like a neutral party, but they not only provide financial assistance but also arsenal while hollering about peace.

Israel does not want peace because if they did, they'd freeze settlements and push for a resolution. What they really want is to wipe out the palestinians and take total control of the 'promised' land.

Granting palestine statehood is a great idea! The next time Israel wages war, the palestinians can go to international courts for war crimes. The overwhelming number of countries voting for Palestine is proof that the world is waking up to reality and the suffering of those ppl can no longer be ignored or overlooked.
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09:25 AM on 11/30/2012
There are no democracies in the Middle East - certainly not Israel. But Palestine holds every potential of being a democracy. However, this is their choice - not yours, mine, or Israel's.
08:38 PM on 11/29/2012
panama won it"s independance from america in year 2000 ...and now they vote against palestinian independance???...just wondering ...
10:13 PM on 11/29/2012
I think you mean 1903, when Paname declared it's independence from COlombia, with US support. Yes Panama became a US vassal, like so many other states in the western hemisphere, whether they wanted it or not, but none of your facts are accurate.
07:04 AM on 11/30/2012
but they are Panama history is full of interventions.
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09:26 AM on 11/30/2012
Tool of US foreign policy - just like the Pacific nations. Promise these countries a new airport runway and they vote as demanded.
08:35 PM on 11/29/2012
can"t believe panama voted against ...sad ...least they could have done was abstain...
08:32 PM on 11/29/2012
seems like 20 times mores pals died than isrealis ,in this last fighting ...who is killing who ...just wondering ..
10:00 PM on 11/29/2012
Israel tries to protect its civilian population. Israel requires bomb shelters and safe rooms. I have been in them. Hamas fires its missiles and rockets from populated areas. Simply put as Hamas puts it, Israelis want life while Palestinians want death.
10:17 PM on 11/29/2012
All occupied people defend themselves from their homes and farms.
Blaming the people that you are killing is sick.
This is why you lost this vote.
08:14 PM on 11/29/2012
I have to give Obama props on some things
12:49 AM on 11/30/2012
The winner of peace prize could be full of so much hypocrisy is hard to believe!
08:03 PM on 11/29/2012
just wondering guys; what are the borders of palestine? cant seem to figure that out.