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12:03 AM on 12/16/2012
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THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO LIVE PEACEFULLY WITH EACH OTHER. 
The truth is that the Rakhine Buddhist could respect and be compassionate to other people - they have no problem with the minority Hindu, Christian, or even the Kaman Muslim (non-Bengali/Rohingya) population. But, the Rohingya - according to their actions, their imams, their harsh interpretation of their faith, their contempt for anyone of another faith, their shameless manipulation of media with fake photos, false history, fraudulent facts - cannot tolerate others.
Attempts to help them 'understand and learn to respect each other' are just going to insure future massacres, and the loss of the Arakan Buddhist Culture.

If anyone feels this is anti-muslim then study the issue. 
If it involved French Jesuit nuns I would criticize French Jesuit nuns. 
There are many good muslims - I know that - and most of them don't approve of the extremist and 
violent muslims which are an issue in many parts of the world.

PERHAPS THIS (below) IS THE ANSWER - it's a huge undertaking - but it has a very high chance of solving the issue:

Exchange the one million persecuted Buddhists in Bangladesh for the 800,000 Rohingya in Arakan.

There would be no more destruction of Buddhist towns, villages, temples 
and monasteries in Arakan. No more tension and violence.

The Rohingya would be in the country of their origin - 
same language, same religion, same look, same DNA, same customs.
No non-muslims, no ‘holy’ war.
11:58 PM on 12/15/2012
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If their own place of origin can refuse to have or care for them, then,
WHY IS IT ASSUMED THAT BURMA 'MUST' ACCOMODATE THEM
(and let them live on the land that they mostly seized, as uncontrolled large numbers of them came across the border during the last 80 years)
AND THAT BURMA MUST GIVE THEM CITIZENSHIP? 
Citizenship usually requires one to have an allegiance with the people and system of the country, 
and not a contempt of the native people, their religions, their holy sites, and an agenda to break off and be independent, and cleansed of the indigenous people and culture.

There has been a continuum of Muslim conquest and annihilation of Buddhist people and culture since Islam began it's conquest march to the east. Great Buddhist cultures were eliminated, often down to the last Buddhist, in what is now Afghanistan, Pakistan, Northern India, and the area now called Bangladesh - which Pali text describes as Buddhist kingdoms beginning in the 3rd century B.C. known as ancient Bengal or Vanga - is now down to less than one percent Buddhist.
Rick Heizman, San Francisco, Dec 12, 2012
11:53 PM on 12/15/2012
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BANGLADESH SHOULD BE THE RECIPIENT OF THIS STATEMENT. The Rohingya came from the Bangladesh area, they speak the same Bengali language, eat the same food, share the same DNA, practice the same type of Islam, and until a few decades ago were called Bengali Muslims, or some were called Chittagong Muslims. In both cases the origin of the Muslims is clear - they weren't called Rakhine Muslims, or Arakan Muslims.

SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THE HISTORY OF THE AREA IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT in order to really 
understand the situation. It is essential to know about the huge influx of Muslims into an indigenous Buddhist culture, and the intolerance, contempt and violence the Buddhist faced again and again, until they realized that THEY CANNOT TOLERATE THE INTOLERANT ANYMORE - and that they faced the loss of their homeland, their culture, their holy places, and their identity.
Rick Heizman, San Francisco, Dec 12, 2012
11:50 PM on 12/15/2012
My thoughts after reading the statement by a group of International Buddhist urging the Burmese to show mutual respect and compassion to the Royingya Muslims in Rakhine State, Burma / Myanmar.

This will surely upset and disappoint many many Rakhine people and monks, who feel:

THIS REINFORCES THE FALSE AND DELIBERATELY MANUFACTURED ACCUSATIONS 
that the Rakhine Buddhist people and even the monks are the violent ones, and that the Rohingya are just nice and innocent victims. 
The truth is quite opposite - the Rakhine Buddhist have been the victims of major (historical and documented) massacres by the Bengali Muslims (Rohingya) and a brutal and bloody campaign to kill or drive the Buddhist out of their own homeland and to establish an independent Islamic State in that corner of Burma.

IT IS LIKE TELLING TIBETAN PEOPLE, MONKS AND ACTIVIST TO BE MORE RESPECTFUL
TO THE CHINESE, and at the same time not thinking to tell the Chinese to be respectful.

THIS STATEMENT SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ROHINGYA (perhaps not all, but most),
who not only have no respect, nor compassion for the Buddhist and other non-muslims, but 
actually have shear contempt, and a 'holy' goal of driving out the indigenous Rakhine Buddhist culture, and creating a pure Islamic State that would NOT be governed by the infidel government of Burma.

Rick Heizman, San Francisco, Dec 12, 2012
02:51 PM on 12/15/2012
Why is there no Buddhist from Myanmar signing this important letter?
12:42 PM on 12/14/2012
From: Younge Drodul Ling
Subject: CORRECTION

We are a non-political organization and neither Younge Khachab Rinpoche VII, nor any of his representatives signed this letter as was incorrectly indicated in the above letter. Additionally, we are a USA based organization (not Canadian).

Sincerely,
The Younge Drodul Ling Board of Directors
02:52 PM on 12/15/2012
Maybe he should have signed onto this letter!
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John Genryu
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07:20 AM on 12/13/2012
This is largely a fake story. It is not a religious conflict, other than that extremist Muslims have virtually invaded a part of Burma and when the locals have defended themselves, they were accused of religious attacks against the extremists. Please do better research in future.
02:52 PM on 12/15/2012
Yeah right! The same has been said of the Armenians and the Jews.
09:55 PM on 12/12/2012
This is really a late letter, and I am wondering as well these leaders did not say a boo about Tibetans who have committed suicide by self-immolation. That too needs to be addressed.

I am very dubious about the authentic nature of this letter as the last addition of the DL indicates they were stretching a bit; also why would DL comment on this and not on the suicides in and out of Tibet his homeland? Also where is the letter? the link shows nothing, no signatures.

Second, I challenge the assumption these people are leaders for their group; it seems they all are well published in the West, written about lots in the 3 main Buddhist rags, featured in their blogs and travel about giving dharma talks. They are not leaders for Buddhists around the world, they are just marketed well. Sangha members are out there doing the same things but not getting the coverage in the media like their handlers are getting for them.

There is NO central authority in Buddhism anywhere globally or in the West. There is No consensus for this to even begin to happen. The West is trying real hard to say it is but sure is not true. There are random Sangha councils that are competing with each other in largely Buddhist countries, but unless there is ruler patronage with the power to say it is absolute the last word for Buddhists in their country there is just nothing globally.
10:19 PM on 12/12/2012
It would have been nice to see the actual letter, which I thought was linked to the article which I assumed is the retyped copy of the real letter. That is what I wanted to know when I wrote the first line.
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jonny dipstick
12:41 PM on 12/11/2012
Well that is nice of them. Now I want to see the monks get out there with their bo staffs and beat up the oppressors!
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Cindy Bird
12:42 AM on 12/12/2012
That act violates the First Precept, Not to harm living beings. It is also grounds for dismissal from the Sangha.
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jonny dipstick
09:17 AM on 12/12/2012
Didn't monks used to travel and have to defend themselves?
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Joseph Leslie
01:22 AM on 12/11/2012
When are the Muslim leaders going to condemn the Taliban and Al Queda? The Buddhists have condemned violence by people of their faith against Muslims, but Muslims condone the killings and acts of terror by Muslim radicals. Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus have all been victims of Muslim terrorists, but they are not engaging in terrorism against Muslims!
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Tamimi
Don't feed trolls!
04:33 AM on 12/11/2012
And the U.S. invasion of Iraq & subsequent occupation ( not to mention all the drone attacks in Pakistan & Afghanistan) that have killed tens of thousands of Muslims would be described as what? And last I checked, Al Qaeda was recognized as a terrorist organization in most Muslim countries!

But hey, by all means, don't let facts get in the way of spewing your hatred at the Muslims of the world!
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tjamman
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07:12 AM on 12/11/2012
Terrible and unjust as that was, it was not against MUSLIMS, not for being Muslim.
Muslims use death and violence against any and all who disagree...
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Joseph Leslie
12:08 PM on 12/11/2012
I'm not hating Muslims, I'm questioning the silence of Muslims after the shooting of the 14 year old Pakistani girl, the beheadings of children in Afghanistan by the Taliban, the attacks on Government Officials (especially women), the acid attacks against girls going to school that will let them blind and scarred and the suicide bombings against other Muslims. When are the Silent Muslims going to stand up and rid the world of these vermin? I don't hate MUSLIMS, I hate the cowardice shown by MUSLIMS when it comes to destroying the TALIBAN and AL QUEDA. If your eye offends thee, pluck it out!
09:10 PM on 12/11/2012
Muslim leaders all over the world have condemned the Taliban and Al Qaida. Don't read much do 'ya.
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12:15 PM on 12/12/2012
Not enough . Condemn Muhammad.
12:53 AM on 12/11/2012
Yes. good Buddhists should not fall into the trap set by Muslims.
During the unrest in western part of Myanmar, the media of muslim across the world use misleading photographs showing Tibetan monks standing in front of a pile of dead bodies appeared in many websites in the Muslim countries, especially Pakistan. Tibetan monks was actually taken during their relief work in Kyegudo (Yushul), eastern Tibet, after a devastating earthquake hit the region on 14 April 2010.
Besides, the media also used photos of a pile of dead bodies when Tsunami hit Thailand and photos from other disasters.
The Central Tibetan Administration based in Dharamsala strongly appeal to the media across the world not to use the misleading photos, which is being circulated by miscreants to provoke conflict between the two communities in western part of Myanmar.
Ass a second blow to Myanmar, Qatar based Al Jazeera Television is airing a documentary relating to so-called "Rohingyas" from December 8 to 12 in Arabic and from December 9 to 13 in English languaget is also mentioned that the documentary will include accusation genocide against the so-called "Rohingyas". That were totally contrary to the truth and to the actual situation in Myanmar. They hired some Bangalis men from Bangladesh to act and to talk in the documentary.
What motive behind the false photos and fabricated news and documentary is?
I want to suggest all Buddhists should not be misled by the propagenda of Muslims.
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Cindy Bird
12:41 AM on 12/12/2012
I suggest that individuals should not be misled by bias or hatred against innocent individuals who simply practice the Muslim Faith. Hatred is NOT a recognized attribute in ANY religion.
11:53 PM on 12/16/2012
The statement "Hatred is NOT a recognized attribute in ANY religion." is not accurate. Please read Quran if you have not done so. Download and read it now. If you don't have time to read the whole thing, just do a targeted reading of the book. Look for keywords like "kill, infidels, kafirs, non-muslims, hatred, hate, etc". You will find that hatred IS INDEED a recognized attribute of that religion. You don't have to take my word for it. Please see for yourself. Oh, one more thing, the hatred prescribed in that book is not really taken out of context by people. It is in full clear context. Enjoy!
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02:57 PM on 12/25/2012
Unfortunately Cindy, you are very much mistaken. You should read the Qur'an sometime. If you open it at random, you will probably see hate for "infidels" expressed on one page or the other (if not both). That's how abundant the hate for "infidels" is in the Qur'an. Yes Cindy Islam is a religion that makes vengefulness and hatred toward "infidels" not merely an attribute but a prominent feature. That's one of the reasons why Islam does not grant its followers any right to leave Islam. Such hate is not normal. For such a religion to survive, it must not allow its followers to leave. If you read books by former Muslims, you will see that this hate component is one of the aspects of Islam that they most often cite as reasons for leaving Islam.
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07:21 AM on 12/13/2012
Thank you Zawz Zaw. Unfortunately the lack of research and misinformation has many believing that this is a real story when it is not.
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12:32 AM on 12/11/2012
The religious creed: my religion is thee religion and I will fight the world even with wars to prove it.

America a christian nation with a survival of the fittest economic ideology and on going wars and 720 foreign military bases. the human mind is a most interesting aspect of planet earth.
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01:59 AM on 12/13/2012
. the human mind is a most interesting aspect of planet earth.

Interesting, perhaps; pathological and perverse, yes. The human has been on a downhill slide for centuries now.
10:27 PM on 12/10/2012
Buddhist monks in Sri Lanka condoned violence during their civil war against the Tamil Tigers so why can't Buddhists in Myanmar condone it?
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Cindy Bird
12:46 AM on 12/12/2012
It still violates the First Precept, Not to harm living beings. And the monks in Sri Lanka were wrong when they condoned violence. Violations of the First Precept are grounds for dismissal from the Sangha.
09:36 PM on 12/12/2012
The precept is do not kill. They cannot encourage others to kill, nor praise killing, provide the means of killing, doing the killing, using media as supporting killing is a violation.
02:47 PM on 12/12/2012
The Buddhists in Sri Lanka rightfully condemned the violence but little was said by Hindu leaders against the Tamil Tiger terrorists.
09:42 PM on 12/15/2012
Actually, quite a few Hindu groups condemned LTTE's actions, even though LTTE has nothing to do with Hinduism.
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pattybabes143
05:36 PM on 12/10/2012
Oh the muslims are being attacked for a change?? Well I guess its just a case of what goes around comes around.. Violence Begets Violence. I dont think they will get much sympathy.
07:26 PM on 12/10/2012
It's the Jihadists who started the attacks, then claimed victimhood when the Buddhists defended themselves.
11:14 PM on 12/10/2012
Agreed! When these Jihadists come out of the Mosques, they behaved like Monsters - harming Buddhists, taught and agitated by their preachers. Root cause might be the violent verses of the Koran and a blind faith...Who can change it??
08:21 AM on 12/13/2012
Iraq war, Afghanistan, Pakistan drones, Somalia drones....Innocent Muslim civilians being killed on a daily basis, need I go on?
12:07 AM on 12/17/2012
Your comment will sound more legit and neutral if you use "innocent human beings" rather than innocent Muslim civilians. The muslim doctrine of (Us vs Them aka Muslims Vs Non-muslims (kafirs) ) seems to be affecting you.
03:52 PM on 12/10/2012
And....what about the Christian Karen of Myanmar? Is it OK to continue the state sponsored genocide against them then?
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patparco
08:15 PM on 12/10/2012
And as long as we are raising the issue of persecution of religious minorities, let us also mention the persecution of Chakma Buddhists in Bangladesh. I am hoping for a letter soon from Muslim leaders condemning it.