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ltl4386
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10:05 AM on 01/10/2013
In Japan, you cannot buy a handgun, much less an assault rifle. In fact, even off-duty police officers are banned from carrying guns. Gangsters and the Yakuzi fear them. Selling one or owning one is a serious crime. Fire the gun? Possibly life imprisonment. Gun-control laws are taken so seriously that police will pursue a violator all the way to the grave — and maybe beyond.

You can buy a shotgun or an air rifle, but it is not easy:
•First, you have to take a class and a written exam.
•Then there's a skill test at a shooting range
•Next is a drug test
•Then a mental evaluation.
•Assuming you pass all those tests, you file with the police, who then run a background check.

No wonder Japan has one of the lowest gun ownership rates in the world. But does it work?

In 2008, the U.S. had 12,000 gun-related murders. Japan had 11. More than double that number were killed in the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut.

The rationale for this is simple: "Of course, guns don't kill people; people kill people — guns just make it a lot easier to kill a lot of people. That's why Japan bans them and that's why my job was catching people with guns and putting them in jail. Usually, long before they could ever put their finger on the trigger."
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SpeakupNation
Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the livi
11:35 AM on 01/10/2013
F & F for the facts.
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Douglas A Bateman
12:23 PM on 01/10/2013
Right on ...........
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judgeholden79
You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?
10:04 AM on 01/10/2013
I've read that it was the Weimar Republic that enacted gun control laws in an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of groups like the Nazis. Seems a touch ironic.
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Riven
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
09:01 AM on 01/10/2013
Stalin is also frequently invoked by gun fanatics whenever any discussion of gun safety arises. But that's what extremists do--they react in extreme fashion to any suggestion, no matter how sane.

For example, we require that motor vehicles, whose purpose is benign travel, be registered and insured and their drivers licensed. Why not require the same measures with guns, whose purpose is killing and destruction?
01:18 PM on 01/10/2013
I actually asked the same question on another thread and was informed that since someone is allowed to keep an unlicensed uninsured vehicle in their garage they should be able to keep an unregistered gun as well especially since cars are not guaranteed by the constitution. I pointed out that keeping an unregistered car implies you have no intention of driving it and can you say the same of your gun? Of course got no reply
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marathag
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium
10:59 PM on 01/10/2013
You can drive it on your property.

Now on a Ranch or Farm of over a thousand acre, well, that's more useful that backing in and out of a garage
05:50 PM on 01/15/2013
Just an aside, I too used to believe auto ownership was not Constitutionally protected. Then I read the ninth amendment. For my money it covers a womans choice on reproductive destiny, gay marriage, guns, and many other things in conjunction with the"pursuit of happiness". Might cover autos also.
02:28 PM on 01/10/2013
I was unaware of any Federal laws regarding motor vehicles be registered and insured or their drivers licensed.

You learn something new every day, huh?
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Riven
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
10:05 PM on 01/10/2013
If every state had uniform laws requiring the registration and insurance of all firearms--and the licensing of all firearm owners--I'd be OK with that.
cuchulain
Occupy the Tao
08:45 AM on 01/10/2013
The real irony here is that Hitler was a staunch right-winger. The Nazis were a hard-right party. And Fascism is hard-right.

Good summary here of Hitler's rise to power, and the key right-wingers like Alfred Hugenberg and Franz Von Papen who got him the Chancellor spot under Hindenberg:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Rise_to_power

He came to power by basically wiping out all left-wing opposition -- his only opposition. He set the Reichstag Fire so he could blame communists and further his control. Prior to that, in his failed coup attempt in 1923, he gave a speech denouncing Marxists as causing the German defeat in WWI -- and repeated those speeches throughout his career. He called Marxism a Jewish conspiracy, and we all know what he thought of the Jews.

Hitler and the Nazis were virulently anti-left, and aggressively right-wing. I've been around long enough to remember that this once forced some humility on the American right, but those days are gone. Now, they just lie about their own ideological history and claim every totalitarian regime must be left-wing. Their twisted, perverse rewriting of history fools only the ignorant and the gullible.
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ltl4386
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09:17 AM on 01/10/2013
Oh Em Gee! facts! clear and concise accurate information! grammar! coherent sentences! no deflection or avoiding the actual topic! you are a good as a fresh baked soft sugar cookie. with sprinkles. and a mug of hot chocolate. with little marshmallows. and comfy slippers. thank you.
09:22 AM on 01/10/2013
Nazi, I believe the english translation is 'National Socialist'
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SpeakupNation
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11:37 AM on 01/10/2013
They were not Socialists; they were fascists. They co-opted the term Socialism for political purposes.
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Vincent Van Der Hyde
The truth will set you free.
02:48 PM on 01/10/2013
A standing joke in Germany at the time was about the NSDAP, which was the National Socialist German Workers Party.
It pointed out that,
The party wasn't actually nationalist, it was Bavarian in origin.
It wasn't Socialist, it killed socialists and communists.
It wasn't really German, it's leader was Austrian.
and it wasn't a workers party, most workers were socialists or communists.
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Mike Lazar
06:54 AM on 01/10/2013
I hear often this argument: Hitler made gun posession unlawful and that allowed the rise of Nazism, because nobody would have the means to effectively oppose him. It is a fallacious argument. At the time when Hitler was nominated as cancellor, his popularity was high are rised in the first years of his diktature. The opposition to him was weak and legality of gun posession was irrelevant.
An interesting fact about Hitler and dogs found in a biography of Eva Braun: Hitler hated Dachshunds because they have too much personality. He loved Blondi his German Shepperd, but beat her savagely (with a whip!) . Ultimately he poisoned her to test the poison.
cuchulain
Occupy the Tao
08:49 AM on 01/10/2013
He didn't need gun suppression to rise to power. He was given the chancellorship by Hindenburg, mostly due to pressure from powerful right-wingers like Alfred Hugenberg and Franz Von Papen, along with other business and political leaders.

Ironically, he tried a coup in 1923, using guns. As "armed citizens", he and his fellow fascists staged the Beer Hall putsch, which was broken up NOT by other "armed civilians", but by police and state police.

Those who advocate for gun ownership among the citizenry forget that many a coup by the "bad guys" was enabled by lax gun laws. Their twisted coin has a flipside.
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Homey Chingaso
10:48 AM on 01/10/2013
In fact, in 1938 Hitler lowered the age for legally owning firearms to 18. But you can't turn on the radio these days without hearing about how Hitler banned guns which gave way to the rise of the Third Reich, and how "no one saw that coming." Ignoring demonstrable facts to accept or promote and ideology is one thing, but rewriting history to suit it takes it even further.
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Jay Daterman
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11:38 AM on 01/10/2013
Right wingers routinely rewrite history to conform to their mythical bubble world. F and F
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marathag
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium
08:43 PM on 01/10/2013
It was lessened for Nazi Party Members.

But if you were to the left of the Christian Democrat party, the SS would confiscate any weapons that were registered(and they had to be) from you, under the 1928 clause that people classed as 'unreliable' should not possess firearms
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bonncaruso
03:33 AM on 01/10/2013
Well, it wouldn't be a day without someone invoking Godwin. And in honor of this, one of the greatest films of all time, with, of course, Charlie Chaplin (The Great Dictator):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NtBnaarXfg

This is 2 hours worth the absorbtion...
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BlackJAC
It's better to be a black king than a white knight
09:49 AM on 01/10/2013
Don't forget how the Three Stooges mocked ole Scramblebrains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_DCfGoscA
11:06 AM on 01/10/2013
Calling Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine, Doctor Howard!
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SpeakupNation
Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the livi
11:43 AM on 01/10/2013
GREAT movie! Amazing!
03:28 AM on 01/10/2013
Is Lofgren actually making some sort of argue meant here it just engaging in some good ole name allying?
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Michael Buchanan
Yes, THAT Michael Buchanan
04:51 AM on 01/10/2013
Huh? Care to try again in English?
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bigpix2000
2 wrongs != right, 3 rights = left.
09:38 AM on 01/10/2013
that's what happens when you fat finger your smart phone ;-)
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TomDegan
Author of "The Rant": http://www.tomdegan.blogspot
02:29 AM on 01/10/2013
From the Second Amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Umm...What the hell happened to that "well regulated militia" bit? I was just wondering.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com/2012/12/massacre-in-newtown.html

Tom Degan
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Riven
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
08:46 AM on 01/10/2013
The Constitution is like the Bible: We consider inerrant the pieces we like, and we ignore the pieces we find distasteful. Gun fanatics don't want anything about their firearms "well regulated," whether it be in a militia or in the number of rounds a magazine holds. Therefore, they ignore the absolute clause that grammatically expresses the condition under which the right "to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Apparently, we need more grammarians on the SCOTUS.
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Mike Dehart
Vet, Conservative and Gun Owner
09:25 AM on 01/10/2013
SCOTUS ruled a long time ago that the militia piece of the 2nd encompassed ALL able bodied person who "could" be called for miltary service as "militia".


So ummmmm....whats your point.
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SpeakupNation
Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the livi
11:44 AM on 01/10/2013
If it is an individual right, then the "well regulated" portion still applies.
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funpete
NPR brain in a FOXNEWS world...
01:59 AM on 01/10/2013
Mr Lofgren, you sound sane, rational, thoughtful and intellignet - why are you still a republican?

Seriously, when the party has sooo obviously been co-opted and radicalized, who remains with the party? Those (like some of my loved ones) who hold their nose and expect the ship-of-party to right itself?

At what point do you abandon ship?

Love to hear from some republicans...
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ltl4386
thinking out loud allowed
09:22 AM on 01/10/2013
are we related? no, my mistake. i'm the only non-republican swearing fox news is truth person in my family. i just wish we were related. i would be far less lonely at family gatherings with someone else that has a mind that works.
12:39 AM on 01/10/2013
*aussie hand goes up*
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Joey The Greek
12:30 AM on 01/10/2013
If the shoe fits......
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doriath22
Born-again Jacobin. Robespierre had the right idea
04:19 AM on 01/10/2013
Yes. Gun Nuts, for all their talk of defending "freedom" are mostly fascist wannabes
cuchulain
Occupy the Tao
08:54 AM on 01/10/2013
Which makes sense. Hitler was hard right. Nazism is a hard-right ideology. Fascism is a hard-right ideology.

The American right used to know that and feel some embarrassment about it -- or at least have the sense not to bring the topic up at all. Now they just ignore it and rewrite history to suit their own deep, pathological denial of the truth of their ideological roots.
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BlackJAC
It's better to be a black king than a white knight
09:51 AM on 01/10/2013
It's also ironic that they keep screaming that they won't be able to keep Da Gubmint at bay if Da Gubmint doesn't let them have weapons, because they don't want to be criminals and make Da Gubmint mad at them.
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ltl4386
thinking out loud allowed
06:56 AM on 01/10/2013
buy a pair in every color!
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MNKen
You're not the boss of me...my cat is!
10:12 AM on 01/10/2013
I know two women who love your thought process!!
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Allene Stucki
12:09 AM on 01/10/2013
Quite a stretch here.
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Rimser
07:04 AM on 01/10/2013
no stretch at all.
11:46 PM on 01/09/2013
Funny stuff this:)
The republicans must identify with him if they use him so often.
02:50 AM on 01/10/2013
Read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein to see the Republican Utopia.
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
10:44 PM on 01/09/2013
All in favor of gun control raise you right hand!
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wesleypresley
Anti War since 1968
01:09 AM on 01/10/2013
Why won't Huffingtonpost let me un favorite this asinine post above?
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Rimser
07:05 AM on 01/10/2013
I've done that, too. I wish there was an undo button.
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ShinjiIkari
Do you understand how stupid it is to be afraid?
02:41 AM on 01/10/2013
Progressives use our LEFT hands! Just get over losing the election and help straighten out the country by taking it back from the Koch Brothers.