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Whinger
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03:43 AM on 08/01/2009
Why do these poor people keep coming?

Because the know business will employ them because their easy to pay!

Why doesn't Sheriff Joe Arpaio go arrest those who employ the illegals or does he prefer to kick poor people when they're down!
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03:46 AM on 08/01/2009
poor people don't give large campaign contributions like businesses do...
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08:02 AM on 08/01/2009
I don't think anyone would have a problem with this issue if the immigrants tried to assimilate like previous immigrants did. No one would notice or care. The problem is that they are bringing the worst of their culture and holding on to it, expecting people who've always lived here to make adjustments to them. Here there are bunches and bunches of legal immigrants who pay their taxes. However, a lot of them allow illegals to live with them. The work the illegals get is cash from legal Mexicans, who use them as slave labor. They live 15 or 20 in a space designed for 4. They do hot, dirty work that the legal Mexicans contract out. Then they send their money back to Mexico. They clog up the emergency rooms with sniffles and stomach aches; they drive without lisences and insurance; they refuse to learn English; they stab and shoot each other at Salsa clubs and apartment complexes. We're poor working class whites/blacks and not insulated by income or geography from the problems they cause. So if Sheriff Joe can keep even a few of them from coming here, more power to him.
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09:48 AM on 08/01/2009
Thank you. And I am called a racist in my own country by legal and illegal immigrants simply because I would like to preserve "my American culture" and not theirs. Why is it a racist issue to ask anyone who is legal or illegal and living in America, to learn English and follow the laws?
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12:36 PM on 08/01/2009
yuck to both of you. Define American "culture".
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propitiousmoment
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03:33 AM on 08/01/2009
I've noticed that some people seem to not be satisfied with seeing others reap the results of whatever mistakes they've made, they have to make sure that those people feel wrath and scorn from their righteous selves, like it's not enough to suffer, you have to also be ostracized or there really isn't any punishment yet. Those are the people who beat the sh*t out of their children, too, in the name of "discipline." I can almost guarantee if I could spend a couple of hours with any of them I could identify the sources of their anger issues, but they themselves are blind to it and afraid to face it - that's why they have to project all that anger outward. I've given up trying to argue these issues with people like that, there is no rationality there to genuinely engage with. It's too bad some of them seem to make it into public office where they have the unfortunate opportunity to take their anger out on a much larger number of people.

Those who immigrate here without getting proper permission and documentation, in violation of CIVIL law, are not criminals. It's bad enough to have to be sent back where they came from, there is no need to make them suffer in other ways just to satisfy our own anger issues.
03:48 AM on 08/01/2009
First - you're equating abused children with people who commit criminal acts????

Second - bull - it's not violation of civil law - its criminal. Notice the word misdemeanor? That's a criminal law charge. And when an illegal goes up for deportation it's United States of America v XXX - that's criminal court - the United States is the opponent -- in civil law it's two individuals up against each other.

It is illegal to enter the United States without inspection or authorization from government officials. The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act, which prohibits non-nationals from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer, and also prohibits non-nationals from eluding inspection by immigration officers.

I know that Wiki isn't the best source, but first I could find :)

Here's the source document cite - Congressional Research Service
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^ "CRS Report for Congress: Immigration Enforcement Within the United States" (pdf). Federation of American Scientists website. Congressional Research Service, The Library of Congress. 2006-04-06. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33351.pdf. Retrieved on 2008-08-16. "The law prohibits aliens from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer (i.e., a port of entry). It also prohibits any alien from eluding immigration officers."
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05:13 AM on 08/01/2009
Please become a lawyer and learn how to research, or stop giving false information. Being in the USA and illegal is a civil matter (and out of joe's authority to arrest) and subject to civil fines and deportation. Entering the US and being caught doing so is a misdemeanor. Joe's county is not on the border of mexico, so he obviously has no business arresting people simply because they are in the US and illegal. Thats the Feds and border patrols job and not his.
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propitiousmoment
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10:05 AM on 08/01/2009
It is not a criminal court. The US is also involved in civil suits, as both plaintiff and defendant, so US v Anyone is not necessarily criminal. Even the law itself makes distinctions between levels of criminality. You don't get the same punishment for serial murder that you do for petty theft. Even if illegal immigration was a crime, which I am not conceding, it would not deserve the treatment that these people get. Why don't you do some more research and see what happens to them, and compare it to our actual laws (including case law) and constitution to see how justified it is. They do not deserve what they get in a large, large number (not to say the vast majority) of cases.
03:56 AM on 08/01/2009
wrong - it's a criminal charge - a misdemeanor Did you really think that all those ICD agents and border patrol were doing arrests for what? civil cases don't involve arrests

It is illegal to enter the United States without inspection or authorization from government officials. The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act, which prohibits non-nationals from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer, and also prohibits non-nationals from eluding inspection by immigration officers.

I know that Wiki isn't the best source, but first I could find :)

Here's the source document cite - Congressional Research Service
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^ "CRS Report for Congress: Immigration Enforcement Within the United States" (pdf). Federation of American Scientists website. Congressional Research Service, The Library of Congress. 2006-04-06. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33351.pdf. Retrieved on 2008-08-16. "The law prohibits aliens from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer (i.e., a port of entry). It also prohibits any alien from eluding immigration officers."
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05:29 AM on 08/01/2009
Here is a link to a colorado newspaper that spread the same false information you are. They admitted they were wrong tho...

http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200608300005

It's a civil and not criminal matter is caught in being in the USA illegally.
03:19 AM on 08/01/2009
YEA YEA YEA !!!!!
02:53 AM on 08/01/2009
Why are Republicans against Planned Parenthood in Mexico? One of the root causes of illegal immigration is overpopulation in Mexico -- too many people, not enough jobs.

We should do whatever we can to make their birth rates equal to those of first world countries.
03:20 AM on 08/01/2009
Why in the world would we have anything to do with birth control policies in foreign nations? That's the Mexican governments job.

Secondly, typically Hispanics are observant Catholics, and observant Catholics don't use birth control.
03:39 AM on 08/01/2009
It's called thinking outside of the box. Try it sometime.
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noaxe397
08:29 AM on 08/01/2009
I know you said you don't live in AZ, so some of this I can forgive.

But, I'm sure people where you live have sex and, anecdotally, 90% of observant Catholics use birth control.

As for birth control in foreign nations, one of the few good things the Bush administration did in its sorry history is try to prevent the spread of aids in Africa. Part of that attempt was using US money to teach women about birth control to stop the spread of aids. It was a rare, rare ,rare departure from the abstinance only sex education that evangelical politicians like Bush allow tax dollars to be used for.

Anytime, anywhere, anyplace women are given control over their lives, especially their sexuality, especially in nations with macho cultures, like Mexico, it benefits every other person on the planet. And since we are the magnet nation for the world, reducing their population growth ultimately helps us reduce our immigration problems.
08:03 AM on 08/01/2009
can you say CATHOLIC CHURCH?????????
02:40 AM on 08/01/2009
Did you know that the Mexican government has operations in 10 American cities to direct illegals where they can get free medical care? Read it on Judicial Watch, made me realize this is big business and just where the attacks on Sheriff Joe are really coming from. Support e-verify, keep American jobs for Americans.
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02:56 AM on 08/01/2009
Did you know that illegals come to get jobs offered by Americans?
Did you know that American companies hire illegals to get the benefit of their
cheap labor?
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03:47 AM on 08/01/2009
Did you know Sheriff Joe is not going to send you a check for your blind loyalty?
04:19 AM on 08/01/2009
He doesn't send a check to the majority of those 3 million citizens either - and they are loyal to him - year after year after year.
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05:17 AM on 08/01/2009
Birds of a feather flock together.....
02:28 AM on 08/01/2009
I'm sorry, I'm with Sheriff Joe here. We keep screaming at the federal government to enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books before they talk of reform, here's a guy who does it, and the feds are all over him. Makes no sense.....
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03:12 AM on 08/01/2009
Who is "we"?? You got a mouse in your pocket?
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03:40 AM on 08/01/2009
It's not his job to enforce immigration laws.. It's the federal gov., and if joey wasn't abusing his authority for political points, the feds probably wouldn't have a problem with him. But since he is, the feds do.
03:51 AM on 08/01/2009
Wrong - any LEO can enforce federal law if a criminal act occurs in his jurisdiction.

The feds are mad at him because he's doing the job they are supposed to and don't - and they can't do a thing about it under current law.
03:52 AM on 08/01/2009
Wrong - read further into the thread about why you are wrong :)
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01:48 AM on 08/01/2009
Meanwhile, my Arizona friends tell me that Phoenix is 100% owned by the Mexican mafia. In my opinion, Phoenix is a duty free shop for the drug cartels and they operate openly, with no fear of local law enforcement.

What is REALLY going on there?
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jukesgrrl
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02:06 AM on 08/01/2009
Arpaio is big, scary dude -- who only goes after little people. You never hear about him even breaking up local drug gangs, let alone addressing cartel or other organized crime issues. But if you want to arrest teenage drug users or people who snuck across the border to do lawn work -- he's your man.
02:16 AM on 08/01/2009
Well, if the original poster is correct about Phoenix, then Joe is at least doing more than the Phoenix PD
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RainbowPhoenix
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03:33 AM on 08/01/2009
I live in Phoenix. I haven't seen anything to suggest that.
01:33 AM on 08/01/2009
Racism reeks...
Nationalism has gone sicko!
Power to ALL people!
01:14 AM on 08/01/2009
Arresting illegal immigrants cannot be a civil rights abuse. If someone is in the country illegally how do they have a right not to be arrested for it? That would seem to be the meaning of the word illegal. I understand that the government has been bribed and beaten by agricultural corporations into allowing unlimited immigration and ignoring the law. How on god's green earth did it become politically correct? That it is a civil rights abuse to deport an illegal immigrant is as stupid an idea as that a corporation is a legal person. Would it be a civil rights abuse if the Chinese put five hundred million immigrants in the US, or is there some limit to the illegal immigration you support? Is it just enough that you can feel there is a race of slaves among us, is that what you like? There are two types of immigrant - legal ones commonly known as Americans and illegal ones commonly known as criminals. Or at least that's how I understand the word illegal. Is there some special "illegal" for laws that aren't convenient when you want cheap childcare? Do the words "rule of law" ring a bell? Is every other nation stupid for protecting their borders and only the US has found the secret of underselling it's working class? Maybe it makes sense to increase legal immigration, I don't really know. But ignoring your own laws and creating an illegal underclass is both stupid and evil, not politically
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propitiousmoment
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03:21 AM on 08/01/2009
It's not a criminal violation to be here illegally. It's civil. It's not a crime even though it's against the law, just like a lot of things are against the law but you don't get a criminal record if you get caught disobeying. Most of the time, you don't get held for months or even years without any disposition of your case, either, or denied many of the basics that even US inmates take for granted. However, immigrants do. The way they treat the people waiting for deportation is an abuse of their human rights in many cases. There is no excuse for inhumane treatment of people who only came here because they admire America. They are not criminals just because they didn't get papers. Repeat: it's not a crime. There's a criminal code, that results in penalties like loss of freedom and large fines, and there's a civil code that is more designed to just make things go smoothly. Immigration without going through the paperwork procedures is a violation of the civil code, not the criminal code. Deportation, fine. Vigilantism or penalization, not fine.
03:53 AM on 08/01/2009
wrong - it's a crime - you are misinformed - a misdemeanor is a criminal charge. and of course they should be penalized for breaking our laws! just like US citizens.

It is illegal to enter the United States without inspection or authorization from government officials. The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act, which prohibits non-nationals from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer, and also prohibits non-nationals from eluding inspection by immigration officers.

I know that Wiki isn't the best source, but first I could find :)

Here's the source document cite - Congressional Research Service
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^ "CRS Report for Congress: Immigration Enforcement Within the United States" (pdf). Federation of American Scientists website. Congressional Research Service, The Library of Congress. 2006-04-06. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33351.pdf. Retrieved on 2008-08-16. "The law prohibits aliens from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer (i.e., a port of entry). It also prohibits any alien from eluding immigration officers."
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03:44 AM on 08/01/2009
Arresting illegal immigrants is not joe's job. There is already an agency for that. He is simply abusing his authority to score political points to keep his job. His county is not on the border, nor is he a member of or have authority over the border patrol. He is a county employee, not a federal employee.
03:58 AM on 08/01/2009
His job is enforcing the law - and that includes federal, state, and local. AZ State law gives him the right to check and investigate immigration status. He keeps his job quite well :) His county doesn't have to be on a border to arrest those breaking the law in his jurisdiction.
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guendy
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01:01 AM on 08/01/2009
My own parent were illegal immigrants--it was the only crime they have ever committed (not even a traffic ticket for the last 34 years). They are now proud U.S. citizens (thanks to Ronald Reagan and amnesty--my parents LOVE him--the only republican they love). They put three kids through college (two of those went to universities ranked in the top 25 according to Newsweek ranks), one with a master's degree (that's me), and two others on their way to earning a master's (all were admitted to universities AFTER prop 209 in California--NO affirmative action). They pay their taxes, donate to local charities, and thank God everyday that they left their country. I also thank them (every once and a while) for risking their lives to give their children a better life--if they had not risked their lives and broken the law I would not be paying over $40,000 in taxes a year to California and the federal government (to be honest I would pay double that with no complaint if asked to just to live in this great country). My parents broke the law to survive--it is a basic human instinct. It may not be the right to break the law but sometimes it is the only choice. Would you not steal bread if you were starving? Maybe you wouldn't for yourself but what about for your children?
Godspeed to all.
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01:04 AM on 08/01/2009
Congratulations to you and your family. Glad your parents didn't die in the desert.
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03:35 AM on 08/01/2009
Thanks for sharing your story. May I say, if no one else has yet, Welcome to America!
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VirginiaJeff
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12:47 AM on 08/01/2009
I'm pretty liberal on the Hispanic immigrant issue, including being in support of an amnesty program. But I can't see where Arpaio is in the wrong. If the government doesn't want him arresting illegal immigrants, it should put a consistent law in place that bans all arrests all illegal immigrants, thereby making them legal.
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12:49 AM on 08/01/2009
That's what the article says they ARE doing! They are only supposed to deport illegal immigrants that have committed crimes. And the sheriff refuses to comply with these new rules.

And as I mentioned elsewhere, the guy is just randomly any hispanic people. His last immigration sweep netted 74 people, only 25 of which were illegal immigrants.
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VirginiaJeff
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12:51 AM on 08/01/2009
Is he deporting illegal immigrants or arresting them for being "illegal."
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12:58 AM on 08/01/2009
Sounds like the round-up of Muslims sent to Gitmo.
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vorpalmusic
12:46 AM on 08/01/2009
I love how some of the people here are saying he's doing a great job. It states in the article that on his last "Immigration Sweep" he arrested 74 people and only 25 of those people turned out to be illegal immigrants.

Hello, m0r0ns, this means 66% of the people he picked up for illegal immigration were f@kking americans!! Yeah, he's a real champion.
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guendy
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12:48 AM on 08/01/2009
I like you.
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01:45 AM on 08/01/2009
Easy on the math there. That's not the only conclusion that can be reached. This country allows legal immigration. It's entirely possible that 66% of the people that he picked up were legal immigrants, or that some other percentage were legal immigrants.

To ignore this seems to suggest a belief that all immigrants are illegal immigrants.
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vorpalmusic
09:46 AM on 08/01/2009
If they are legal immigrants, that means they are either Americans or on the way to becoming Americans. My point is that this guy is just making broad sweeping arrests of all people who are hispanic or who look hispanic. Racial profiling, which is also against the law.
12:44 AM on 08/01/2009
On a lot issues, I disagree with the sheriff. But on his arresting illegals, he is 100% correct. Too bad there isn't a thousand more sheriffs just like him and arresting illegals.
02:00 AM on 08/01/2009
He should head Border Patrol and ICE
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09:35 AM on 08/01/2009
The real power in this country would never allow that.
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12:38 AM on 08/01/2009
well, Joe is nice to animals.

He can't stand cruelty to animals.
there,. I said something nice.
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01:01 AM on 08/01/2009
He treats "his" prisoners worse than animals.

But, hey, if what you say is true, aznurse, I give him 1 point for the animals.
02:00 AM on 08/01/2009
The animals didn't commit any crimes ;)
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12:31 AM on 08/01/2009
I don't know this man, he may or may not be a jerk, but I can't say that what he is doing is wrong. I can't just walk into any country I want without documentation. And what's the point of having borders if they don't mean anything. Then let anyone who wants in, in. Either the border has a purpose and is enforced or it should not exist.

The way things are today it only feeds crime. It allows for coyotes to take advantage of people, and big business to take advantage of cheap labor. The idea that there are jobs in America that Americans are not willing to do is nonsense. Americans would do them if the pay was fair, but with illegals willing to work for ridiculously low pay...

This just more American hypocrisy. Either fully close the borders and invite foreign workers to come here with contracts and fair wages while at the same time busting companies who hire illegals, or take down the border and let everyone in. This pigeon dance the US is doing is doing with migration and issue then not an issue is just a mask to hide a modern day version of slavery.
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12:37 AM on 08/01/2009
that's not the point. Ol' Joe thinks he is the Ultimate Law and doesn't have to follow the Federal Law.
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VirginiaJeff
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12:48 AM on 08/01/2009
Can someone quote the federal law he is violating?
02:01 AM on 08/01/2009
He is following and enforcing the federal law.