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wingnut1
09:06 PM on 03/11/2013
Arizona, bastion of racist no-nothings.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
ugly american
Fat cats always want to eat first.
10:04 PM on 03/11/2013
It may be but foreign nationals certainly seem sure of their right to stay there and do as they wish regardless of the laws of the state.
edward60
moderate
09:02 PM on 03/11/2013
High school history text books are very basic, you can not please everyone. People interested in history need to go to college.
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PhilPredicta
Proud card carrying ACLU, PFAW, AU & SPLC Liberal!
09:29 PM on 03/11/2013
Hence the degradation of our educational system.
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Michael Wilkerson
So cool, so modest too.
09:33 PM on 03/11/2013
2+2=4 is pretty basic so we should wait until college to have math courses.

Right?
09:00 PM on 03/11/2013
From "A Tale of Two Counties" in the Economist, describing the differences between Tucsonans and people from Phoenix.

"The differences start with the aesthetic. Middle-class houses in Phoenix tend to have lawns, whereas Tucson's mostly have desert landscaping, with artful cacti and such. Thomas Volgy, a politics professor at the University of Arizona and former mayor of Tucson, says that Maricopans want “to recreate Michigan”, whereas people in Pima accept that they live in a desert and use water responsibly.
nt Mexican immigrants. And whereas Maricopa is inland, Pima is on the border, which has always made its debate about immigration “more nuanced” than Maricopa's, according to Mr Volgy."

You know, this is so funny because I also accept the fact that there are actual Latinos in Arizona, and that their opinions matter. I guess I have come to "accept" reality in regards to water........and people. I guess I am a Tucsonan. If given the choice, which would you be: a Tucsonan or a Phoenix person?
10:11 PM on 03/11/2013
Maintaining a lawn in Phoenix is insanely expensive. My friends there had a lawn made out of green colored rocks! But really, sane people would choose to live in Flagstaff or anywhere else other than the horizon-to-horizon overdeveloped kitty litter box that is Phoenix. Given the choice, yes, I'd prefer Tucson. The more livable places in Phoenix are up in the mountains, and Tucson is at twice the elevation as Phoenix.
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Lady Cham
Wit...a terrible thing to waste.
10:14 PM on 03/11/2013
How are they on the ASR about education? My son just got a serious virus and we are being told we have to withdraw him from school for missing too many days (8). If we don't, they are going to call CPS and take away the kids.

Fascist state, AZ.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
JustThinkingByPen
08:54 PM on 03/11/2013
Keep at it. Truth is truth no matter the ethnic roots. People try to re-write it, but HISTORY HAS SHOWN that the truth always comes to light!
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08:53 PM on 03/11/2013
e pluribus pluribus
08:49 PM on 03/11/2013
I don't see why you can't have a Mexican-American Studies class that does "not promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, foster racial resentment, [is not] designed for students of a particular ethnic group or...advocates ethnic solidarity." It would be an academic class like any other examining relevant issues not really ultimately all that different than a class on the culture and history of Ancient Rome which presumably is not solely intended for Romans nor promotes the overthrow of Carthage.
09:05 PM on 03/11/2013
The roaman study classes are a part of a history class and they do not have a class solely for the romans to study their culture. If the mexicans want to study mexican culture then move to mexico and study it.
10:09 PM on 03/11/2013
Actually it is "Mexican-American" studies not "Mexican" studies. 
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rageonstagemgmt
Here's a shovel, Dig your hole
09:14 PM on 03/11/2013
The court said NO ..... accept like we have to accept Obama
09:52 PM on 03/11/2013
Maybe the article was incomplete, but the article quoted the statute as directed at specific content elements, such as "advocating ethnic solidarity, etc., rather than any course whatsoever on Mexican-American history and culture. As the judge pointed out, it would be illegal to only outlaw "Mexican-American" studies but allow "Afro-American" studies, etc.
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PhilPredicta
Proud card carrying ACLU, PFAW, AU & SPLC Liberal!
09:53 PM on 03/11/2013
THIS (lower) Court said no.

The 9th Circuit will overturn it.
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Abvincent1
I'll believe corps are people when TX executes one
08:46 PM on 03/11/2013
I don't understand why any one, of any nationality, would want to limit this. Whether a person is Latino or not is irrelevant, it is like teaching foreign language. If you want to learn the language you learn it I stood next to Tom Horne at a restaurant one time and did not recognize him at first...finally my friend said who he was and I wished I had known when he was standing a few feet from me, I would have told him how much of an utter disgrace to my state he is. This is ridiculous, I love to learn heritage from other nations, I guess that isn't possible in Arizona now. Ridiculous
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fuster
"The fuster we go, the rounder we get"
09:01 PM on 03/11/2013
nobody is not allowed to learn, vincent. this is about what's taught in public schools. nothing prohibits such courses in private schools or in colleges or ...outside school.

public school education is designed to provide a broad basic education, not to be tailored to ethnic studies.
09:23 PM on 03/11/2013
so how do you explain American history without it's components?
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jerryengelbach
Working class heritage
11:03 PM on 03/11/2013
Schools at all levels exist to educate.

Many public schools have different kinds of elective courses, depending on the students' interests.
09:42 PM on 03/11/2013
Take one if these courses and you'll find the underlying message. It has nothing to do with the people who lived here when Mexico claimed it.
10:04 PM on 03/11/2013
It has everything to do with it, read Trespassers in our own lands. I am part of the Guadalupe de Hidalgo Land Grant. Anasazi/Aztec territory.
08:21 PM on 03/11/2013
Let's assume for a moment that some of the commenters are correct . . . these classes actually supported and encouraged sedition, overthrow of the government, resentment of certain races. Well, is that any different than Texas threatening to secede from the Union, thereby weakening the Union? Is it any different from law enforcement officials screaming they will not enforce any gun bans? Is it really any different from Ahmadenijad claiming the Holocaust never happened?
08:45 PM on 03/11/2013
Do two wrongs EVER make a right? They were being taught that America is bad and latin America is good, say it however you want that is the basic message of this group of progressives. They done believe in actual free speech, only free speech if it involves a positive view of their positions. To think it is OK to espouse the ideals of the left and not give the rights positions a place at the table is plain subversion.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jerryengelbach
Working class heritage
11:05 PM on 03/11/2013
You're grasping at straws, and none of your charges has any validity.
09:11 PM on 03/11/2013
Yes it is different. First of all Texas has a right to secede from the union, as does any other state. It is a union of idividual states. Texas in particular was it's own country before joining the union and put in place a stipulation that in the future it reserved the right to leave the union if it so chose to do so. I do not think one state leaving the union would weaken it in any way. Law enforcement screaming they will not enforce any gun bans is the correct thing to do since it is not required to follow any laws that are unconstitutional. Gun bans of any kind are against the 2nd ammendment. The right of the people to own guns shall not be infringed upon. To put in the holocaust comment was a streach even for a liberal, so not sure what you were trying to do there.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jerryengelbach
Working class heritage
11:06 PM on 03/11/2013
States do not have the right to secede. A Civil War was fought to enforce this.
08:13 PM on 03/11/2013
A lot of conservatives would like to believe that white folks were deposited in this country by the stork . . . instead of admitting that native Americans were here first. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching a history of Mexican-American events . . . there is something seriously wrong with pretending certain portions of our US history didn't happen.
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Ajax Johnson
Am I myself or is it just me?
08:47 PM on 03/11/2013
I'm not a conservative but I believe you just exibited the reason they made this law. Teaching racism as you demonstrated your bias by using the word conservatives and white folks in the same sentence.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jerryengelbach
Working class heritage
11:10 PM on 03/11/2013
Oh, please. By no stretch of meaning could that post be construed to be racist.

It was a statement about white conservative chauvinism. And it didn't paint all conservatives; it said "a lot."
09:11 PM on 03/11/2013
It is part of all history classes, so there is no need for a special class on it.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jerryengelbach
Working class heritage
11:11 PM on 03/11/2013
Here's a good reason for it:

"Supporters lauded the program, pointing to increased graduation rates, high student achievement and a state-commissioned independent audit that recommended expanding the classes."

Rightwing politicians shot down a valuable learning tool that was endorsed by educators.
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster. Mine won't.
08:09 PM on 03/11/2013
It's a serious shame that SCOTUS can't be trusted to make this right once the case gets to them.
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PhilPredicta
Proud card carrying ACLU, PFAW, AU & SPLC Liberal!
09:54 PM on 03/11/2013
It will never get CLOSE to the SCOTUS.
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster. Mine won't.
10:30 PM on 03/11/2013
Put your money up, Ace.
07:47 PM on 03/11/2013
The last gasps of the dying oppressor class, we'll bring these books back! Knowledge has wings.
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White Diamond
I've been things and seen places
08:27 PM on 03/11/2013
Fly to the library.
01:01 AM on 03/12/2013
This is exactly the type of crap endorsed by those courses.
09:08 PM on 03/12/2013
Yes, it sure does, instead of the "official" version of history that the traditional greedy racist oppressor class would rather indoctrinate the youth of the country with.
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PhilPredicta
Proud card carrying ACLU, PFAW, AU & SPLC Liberal!
07:41 PM on 03/11/2013
Only the WILLFULLY IGNORANT fear the TRUTH.
09:12 PM on 03/11/2013
The truth is only what you believe right?
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PhilPredicta
Proud card carrying ACLU, PFAW, AU & SPLC Liberal!
09:42 PM on 03/11/2013
No, little one.

The TRUTH is the TRUTH.

Things that can be proven historically.

Besides, NOBODY is challenging the audacity of what these courses teach... they just don't like it because it challenges the myths that they hold dear.

The dictionary definition of willful ignorance.
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Megsie
Proud to be a bleeding-heart liberal
10:34 PM on 03/11/2013
The truth is what can be demonstrated from an unbiased evaluation of the evidence.
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mikehoward74
3/4 of a Human being...
07:37 PM on 03/11/2013
If you think that knowledge is a bad thing, you're probably a Republicon. Seriously, any formal education which involves a student's immediate surroundings, in this case proximity to Mexico and a larger than average Mexican population, can only serve to help that student. I would expect students living near the Canadian boarder to have had formal education about Canada and her culture. Funny, the more that people actually know, and experience, the less they are opposed to education.
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LadyZora
Loitering in the progressive echo-chamber
09:13 PM on 03/11/2013
Education is great and crucial. Indoctrination is a different thing entirely.
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TheBaffler
a long the riverrun
09:49 PM on 03/11/2013
You seem to pick and choose which kind of indoctrination you tolerate.
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PhilPredicta
Proud card carrying ACLU, PFAW, AU & SPLC Liberal!
07:37 PM on 03/11/2013
It's no wonder that the retrograde forces who are so afraid of these curricula are of the same, ignorant mindset as those who insist on teaching "creationism" in our schools and disavowing science in general and Darwin in particular.

Just as in biology, civilizations and cultures EVOLVE.

It's impossible to draw a map to ones destination without knowing where one IS to begin with... so how can we expect new generations of Americans of ANY ethnicity to be able to see into the future without studying where they came from... and who they are NOW as part of the complex fabric of our society?

Sorry, but xenophobia and callowness has no place in our culture, in our schools, in our legislature or in our courts... and we ALL must fight to expunge it from our country once and for all time.
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09:00 PM on 03/11/2013
American culture? What is that?
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LadyZora
Loitering in the progressive echo-chamber
09:09 PM on 03/11/2013
You need to actually study this curriculum before you come to its defense. The xenophobia is being taught, but it's not what you think it is.
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PhilPredicta
Proud card carrying ACLU, PFAW, AU & SPLC Liberal!
09:30 PM on 03/11/2013
I HAVE studied it... which is why I know that YOU haven't.
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Megsie
Proud to be a bleeding-heart liberal
10:37 PM on 03/11/2013
Genuine question, not snark: can you share a source for the particulars of the curriculum? I'm interested in evaluating this for myself but can't seem to find anything that's not highly slanted in one way or the other.
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centsable
my bio has been deleted...
07:35 PM on 03/11/2013
Next up...ban on African American...Asian American studies.
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