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Saint Brian the Godless
Consciousness is the ground of all being
04:24 PM on 03/16/2013
I heard he was very much against alcohol and intoxication and preached abstinence.

So I'm glad his holiday turned out to be National Get Sh**faced Day.
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gomezrules
Why Don't We Do It In The Road?
04:21 PM on 03/16/2013
And all this time I thought he was the inventor of 'green beer'.
04:09 PM on 03/16/2013
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about St. Patrick is that there was no such fellow as was written down for Catholics, I know, as a child I attended one of the many St. Patrick's elementary schools and we had such tales about him. One of the RCC's favorite pastimes is to make Saints out of mere mortals and as a former Catholic (former for about 50 years), I happen to believe that is for God to decide who is worthy of sainthood, not man.
05:51 PM on 03/16/2013
Rome grabbed him after his death.

He's appalled to this day.
05:56 AM on 03/17/2013
The RCC sure likes to spin their 'yarns'. There's the one claiming their so-named, 'St. Christopher' carried Christ as a small child across a raging river and this 'saint' was reportedly martyred in the 3rd. century after the death of Christ. But as long as there are the mind controlled who will devote themselves to following and believing them they can carry on the work of their cult.
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CalgarySandy
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04:05 PM on 03/16/2013
This is a pretty decent article. I did my Honour's Thesis on Celtic Monasticism in the late 70's. At that time there were three claimants to the Patrick Mitre by legitimate historians. In other words, Patrick is a myth or a synthesis of these 3 paddy-come-latelies. It is clearly stated in the old writings that Patrick came to preach to the Christians in Ireland. He did not bring it, it was already there. Traders and mercenaries brought it. The Irish were hiring out as soldiers as far back as ancient Egypt. Christianity in Scotland and Ireland was based on family / tribal groups; I.e the monasteries. Both the structure of these religious communities and the rules were based on the tribe. My thesis was called "The Tribe of the Saint." Each community had its own independent Abbot; called saints. Priests were not celibate. The monasteries continued stealing cattle from other tribes and behaved in every way like they had before. An amusing aspect of the battling monasteries is that each side was likely to contain a priest and a druid casting spell. Rome claimed the issue was how they shaved the tonsure and when they celebrated Easter. In truth, a monolithic bureaucracy did not want any independents running around. They did not report to Rome and bore little resemblance to Roman Christianity. This unique approach lasted until the early 1100's when the English moved on them. Read the primary sources, carefully.
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06:31 PM on 03/16/2013
I'd love to read your thesis. Please let me know if you have or do post it online anywhere.
07:38 PM on 03/16/2013
I think that period in history is fascinating. Irish monasticism grew to encompass Scotland (with St. Colomba -- also married) then into North Umbria, Mercia, East Anglia, and Wessex. Finally, these two halves met in France around the time of Charlemagne. In the mean time, Gregory had changed the calendar and Rome had established some of their own traditions. But Irish monasticism saved much of the knowledge of the church -- and most European monasteries copied their model.

There was a power play which incorporated into the dating of Easter and the Tonsure -- all the while Rome had become pretty corrupt while Ireland and England had some of the most incredible examples of pious living since the persecution by Diocletian. From St. Edmund to St. Bede -- fascinating stories.
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04:04 PM on 03/16/2013
PATRICK is a saint because the showed the IRISH how to brew that most delight ful of beverages..IRISH WHISKEY.......
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offred
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07:47 PM on 03/16/2013
It's the water of life. Wikipedia says it's so:

"The word whisky (or whiskey) is an anglicisation of the Gaelic word uisce|uisge meaning water. Distilled alcohol was known in Latin as aqua vitae = "water of life". This was translated to Gaelic as Irish: uisce beatha and Scottish Gaelic: uisge beatha = "lively water" or "water of life". Early forms of the word in English included uskebeaghe (1581), usquebaugh (1610), usquebath (1621), usquebae (1715).[2]"

Happy St. Patrick's Day. Slainte...

http://www.forvo.com/word/sl%C3%A1inte/
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looneydoone
not a "cookie"
08:23 PM on 03/16/2013
Tilamore Dew ?
That stuff will make you hallucinate !
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Ivan B Cohen
03:48 PM on 03/16/2013
While he(St. Patrick) is not the benign figure....did not cast snakes out of Ireland....or brought Christianity to Irish pagans. The myth or legend has endured for all these years. Strange that the learned scholars, Catholic or not never took the time to debunk it. Obviously it's easier to let the hype live on rather than set the record straight.
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Asal Cliste
The suspense is terrible, I hope it will last.
04:39 PM on 03/16/2013
They didn't debunk the legend because they created it. It was essentially a marketing campaign and they have been milking it for hundreds of years.
07:49 PM on 03/16/2013
Because there is nothing to debunk. He wasn't canonized for removing snakes. Back then, Saints were acclaimed by locals who recorded stories of the Saints. St. Patrick was a real person who organized religion in Ireland. The church does review historical saints and remove them from the list of saints if there is a compelling reason.

St. Catherine of Alexandria was such a saint -- she was presumably martyred by the Roman Emperor Maxentius. There is no historical record of her, so she was removed from the calendar of saints (although she is still on the Greek calendar). However, she was one of the saints who "spoke" to Joan of Arc -- so who knows?

But this isn't true for Patrick -- there is historical evidence. Most early saints have legends which build up around them -- most of which aren't true. But what does that have to do with "debunking".
03:44 PM on 03/16/2013
After enough infusions of the amber fluid, does anyone really care?
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04:48 PM on 03/16/2013
LOL
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mikey09
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03:42 PM on 03/16/2013
Bravo, wish more articles like this instead of Kardasian news and how everyone else is the enemy.
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Asal Cliste
The suspense is terrible, I hope it will last.
04:40 PM on 03/16/2013
Have you seen what Kim was wearing yesterday?
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06:31 PM on 03/16/2013
Was it green?
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
07:57 PM on 03/16/2013
Ah, Saint Kim -- NOT, lol....
07:38 PM on 03/16/2013
I agree. So interesting along with the comments.
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skylark
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03:30 PM on 03/16/2013
Interesting article. Thanks, Mr. Tobin.
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03:24 PM on 03/16/2013
I think St Patrick was the black guy that lived on Fulton St in Brooklyn and sold the best damm GREEN tuna fish sandwiches you could find !
04:22 PM on 03/16/2013
yuck
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
07:58 PM on 03/16/2013
Spoiled tuna, my favorite!...
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Jun Soriao
Cor meum sanguinat.
03:19 PM on 03/16/2013
Hisrory is trying its hardest to separate truth from myths about Saint Patrick. And I'm hoping our savants, in their critical quest for the truth, establish it.
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11:35 PM on 03/16/2013
I also hope the myths are preserved, just identified as such. Myths are an important part of culture too! We need to have knowledge of the stories we tell ourselves.
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Jun Soriao
Cor meum sanguinat.
02:11 PM on 03/17/2013
Excellent observation. And thank you for the thought.
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klonf4856
It's all in a days work
03:10 PM on 03/16/2013
Doesn't sound like he did much to deserve sainthood.
06:36 PM on 03/16/2013
Some saints led pretty debauched lives, until they had a conversion of the heart and mind to God.
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ch3n02junkie
political correctness = death of free speech
03:05 PM on 03/16/2013
i'll stick with the original story. this story would be depressing to drink to. happy st patty's day all!!!
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Asal Cliste
The suspense is terrible, I hope it will last.
04:41 PM on 03/16/2013
Ummm This is the 'original' story.
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ch3n02junkie
political correctness = death of free speech
01:58 PM on 03/17/2013
ummm errrr aahhh ehhhh     NO IT ISN'T!!!  
03:05 PM on 03/16/2013
well let's see...who was saint patrick anyway??? um...umm......who gives a sh$%t? LOL.
03:02 PM on 03/16/2013
Patrick apparently comes from a little country called,today,England!
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Asal Cliste
The suspense is terrible, I hope it will last.
04:42 PM on 03/16/2013
Wales
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08:05 PM on 03/16/2013
Britain.