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stopsocialism
08:15 PM on 04/04/2013
I have never seen so many lies in one article. 6000 trips to the well, where in the world did that number come from maybe 6 trips or less,. we have been fracking wells for 60 years and there is no where near a 50 percent failure rate of cement. This clown is just a lying lib with an agenda that is in no way backed up by facts or science, The liberal EPA says there has not been a single case of water contamination that has been proven in the US, god people do you all want to live in the stone age ThIs clown should give up his car and his furnace and move to a cave, He doesn't deserve to live in the modern world
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04:45 AM on 04/05/2013
you haven't been doing high volume horizontal drilling fracking for 60 years....each horizontal drill can be fracked with 5-7 million gallons of potential drinking water laced with toxic and carcinogenic chemicals....and each horizontal drill can be fracked up to 100 times....and half of all that spills back on the surface during fracking....what do you do with that ???? you do the math on how many 6000 gallon tank truck trips that is per horizontal drill...and each well pad can have up to 8 horizontal drills....
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stopsocialism
06:45 PM on 04/05/2013
where in the world did you come up with those numbers 5 to 7 million gallons of fracking fluid, what are you fracking the entire state of north Dakota at one time/ YOU are just another liberal liar spreading false information. I challenge readers to look into it yourself , this clown doesn't have a clue .
10:47 AM on 04/05/2013
well how on earth can we be able to know if the cement is acutally structurally sound or not we have no way of really knowing if it has cracks in it or if it is leaking we have now way to tell. you can't just like look through the ground and somehow tell if its safe.
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stopsocialism
06:46 PM on 04/05/2013
actually you can with well logging equipment but you cant just make false claims without any knowledge on the subject
07:47 PM on 04/04/2013
Have you guys ever heard of saltwater. Far more toxic and damaging to the environment than the fracturing fluids. Its been present in the oil reservoirs since the formation of the reservoirs (millions of years ago). Its been produced along side the hydrocarbons since oil and gas exploration began more than a 100 years ago. Some wells have as much as a 90%plus cut of saltwater. Most of you anti-fracturing advocates havent heard about SW since it has been a problem.

Why do the anti fracking advocates scream about fracturing yet say nothing about sw - I just goes to show how clueless the anti-fracturing advocates are about the subject which they protest.
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Roosevelt Democrat
12:41 AM on 04/05/2013
Being an Anti-Fracker is a religious experience no clues required.
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04:48 AM on 04/05/2013
anti-frackers certainly know about all the produced salt water...recent PA study shows downstream streams and rivers from frack sites have very high salt concentrations....the diesel and embalming fluid in frack fluid also is not safe to drink....
07:31 PM on 04/04/2013
Sounds pretty bad, I'm in Florida and I am glad it's not being done here. But guess what, if there is MONEY to be made the monied interests will prevail.
After all that's the American way.
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julieintx
The Typo Queen.
06:43 PM on 04/04/2013
Cheap natural gas is now bringing European companies here to manufacture. It's also a major cause of our drop in CO2 emissions. According to many people on this site, climate change is the biggest problem facing humanity.

But mainly, it's bringing in huge numbers of jobs and a vast amounts of money to individuals, communities and states.
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04:49 AM on 04/05/2013
fracking and associated activities makes natural gas dirtier than coal.....
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julieintx
The Typo Queen.
11:37 AM on 04/05/2013
I guess it's bad that all these utility plants are switching from coal to gas then. Gas now equals coal in US electricity production.
06:40 PM on 04/04/2013
It's already too late to save the planet. Our species is doomed so it doesn't matter if we rape the environment. What's wrong with eating up our resources and having fun with what little time we have left? Don't listen to the self-righteous party-pooping tree huggers who lack the foresight to see that there is no future for humanity. God gave us the earth to use any way we want.
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Roosevelt Democrat
12:43 AM on 04/05/2013
A perfect example of the religious nature of Anti-Frackers! Thanks for making my case.
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04:50 AM on 04/05/2013
so where you going to go jack after you destroy the planet in the next 100 years.....the moon ? maybe mars ? start cleaning up your own backyard...its all you got....
06:29 PM on 04/04/2013
Is it any wonder that the greed of runaway capitalism is destroying the planet and ushering in our extinction? I think not.
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04:51 AM on 04/05/2013
i think so....
05:38 PM on 04/04/2013
Thanks for a fantastic Op Ed. As mentioned, the entire process of high volume, horizontal fracking simply cannot be done safely.
To those in favor of drilling, I strongly recommend you make a trip out to well sites in PA or any other area that has seen heavy drilling. Speak with people who have had their water contaminated, and see how this industry operates. Landowner's rights are bulldozed over through compulsory integration and communities are ripped apart, with neighbor not speaking with neighbor.
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julieintx
The Typo Queen.
06:37 PM on 04/04/2013
Lol. In my area, the EagleFord shale, drilling provided $25 billion in total economic output to a 20-county South Texas region last year and provided 47,097 full-time jobs
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Roosevelt Democrat
12:44 AM on 04/05/2013
I tried. Got any suggestions?
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Ortist
05:19 PM on 04/04/2013
.......or Ohio, please! Gov. Kasich has issued permits and decided to examine the regulatory procedures later, if ever. They have removed the right of towns to regulate it within their borders, and our waste water injection wells, nearly at capacity, have subjected us to accidental leaks, deliberate dumping in streams, and earthquakes.
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Roosevelt Democrat
12:46 AM on 04/05/2013
http://ecowatch.com/pubs/earthwise_febmar2011.htm

Not according to this. 80,000 fracking wells with no ground water contamination in Ohio!
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Ortist
05:03 PM on 04/05/2013
Roosevelt, earthquakes in Youngstown, deliberate dumping in Warren, cracked well casing leaks contaminating water wells in Stark County. None of these may have contaminated underground aquifers, but as you might have noticed, most of us live on the surface.....
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kmeccat
life is just a series of adaptations
06:50 PM on 04/05/2013
YET.
All gas wells leak - it is just a matter of when and how much.
And then there are the earthquakes...
05:07 PM on 04/04/2013
Thank you, Dr. Ingraffea and Mr. Ruffalo, for your clarity in laying out some of the arguments against unconventional fossil fuel extraction. Having heard Dr. Ingraffea speak on a number of occasions, I know that you have had to edit extensively as your comprehensive scientific knowledge and research can't fit in a short article.

I am proud to also be a NYer advocating for a continued moratorium and eventual ban. I live in a town on the PA border and have seen the real-life consequences of this process on my PA neighbors, some of whom have been forced to leave their state. I shudder to think that those who are now living and farming in NY could be victimized again if the governor lifts our current moratorium.

One of the issues that this piece did not have space to address was energy alternatives. For those interested, I would direct your attention to this recent paper, specifically designed to address the issue in NY, including transportation needs: http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/susenergy2030.html (link to full text available in fourth paragraph)
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stopsocialism
08:22 PM on 04/04/2013
I cant wait until we have the technology to cut off people like you, liars that don't have a clue as to the truth ,hat hate oil companies as we heat your home and fuel your car, Well let me inform you off something, you cannot name a single thing in your life that Is not touched by oil, solar panels and wind farms will not replace that fact,.
07:45 AM on 04/05/2013
Substitutes for other uses of fossil fuels are either in existence or in development and we as a society will have to transition to them, totally at some point. Remember also that there are non-fossil fuel sources of hydrocarbons, such as methane from waste products and ethanol from plants. At one point, the US thought we couldn't get along without whale oil; fossil fuel companies and related industries are or should be diversifying for the good of their employees and shareholders. For example, our local heating and cooling contractor is branching out into residential geothermal systems.
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Roosevelt Democrat
12:48 AM on 04/05/2013
Dr. Ingraffea is why malpractice insurance should be more accessible!
07:57 AM on 04/05/2013
Dr. Ingraffea is a civil engineer and an expert - one of the few in the country - in the field of rock fracture mechanics. He has decades of experience working with hydraulic fracturing and its effects. He is uniquely qualified to educate the public on this topic because, unlike many reseracher/scientists, he is able to explain highly technical information in ways that the general public can understand.
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Roosevelt Democrat
05:01 PM on 04/04/2013
And when the studies find that cracking can be done safely will Anti-Frackers listen? Or is the Anti-Fracking movement more like a religion?
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Ortist
05:26 PM on 04/04/2013
Roosevelt, didn't you read the article? Plenty of problems exist, such as acres of farm loss and increased road traffic and noise, lots of noise, all with a very low yield at the end of the day. And that's with a GOOD, SAFE well. Nobody has explained how "can be done safely" can be turned into "WILL be, MUST be done safely".
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Roosevelt Democrat
10:49 PM on 04/04/2013
Well you have given the perfect reasons to get rid of all industrialization! Why not go back to subsistence farming it's quite, plenty of farm land is preserved, little traffic and that is usually foot traffic, and quite painful hunger for a better life. Most of  China was living that life less than 30 years ago and I bet with all their pollution they don't want to go back! 
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Bethab
05:57 PM on 04/04/2013
I'll take that compromise!
04:46 PM on 04/04/2013
Present an alternative. State what you are willing to give up and then sell that same abstinence to the consumer. Consumer demand, not the energy companies is driving this process. Regulations do control the process but the cost benefit analysis is unsufficient in your article and in many areas very innaccurate. For the record, I realize there are problems but be prepared to look in the mirror to see the real source: we demand cheaper goods and jobs.
02:27 PM on 04/04/2013
let me get this right... keystone XL is bad because it goes through our farmland and yet all the oil apparently is destined for China anyway so it won't benefit us... Ok....

but then: fracking natural gas is entirely for the domestic market and that is bad as well....

so maybe libs are just anti-fossil fuels altogether....

that would be ok if I could drive a solar powered car or the electricity for my electric car would be 100% wind or solar... but it isn't... I'm always fascinated when people talk about their plug-in prius and then forget to think where the electricity comes from. coal powered cars are not so clean....
04:34 PM on 04/04/2013
Most of the gas in the Marcellus shale is destined for export to Japan and India as reported in the Philadelphia inquirer on 4/3/2013 and there are many other export sites as well.

Don't believe this is for domestic use, it is for the highest bidder!
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stopsocialism
08:26 PM on 04/04/2013
another liberal lie
02:26 PM on 04/04/2013
We should convert all natural gas power plants to coal. We have lots of coal and extracting it doesn't involve fracking. And new plants should be nuclear. There, problem solved.
04:49 PM on 04/04/2013
Really?
Just two small problems with that argument-Have you seen videos of China's air pollution.They burn lots of coal and their air is thicker with smog then L.A.'s was 10 years ago.Not sure that burning coal would exactly be healthy.
2nd-what to do with the nuclear waste?something to think about because the more powerplants that are nuclear the more waste you get.It seems like the scientists have come up with a good answer for that one yet.
08:11 PM on 04/04/2013
Since we actually put scrubbers on our coal plants, we don't have the same problem. And the nuclear waste could be buried in Yucca Mountain.
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stopsocialism
08:27 PM on 04/04/2013
do you not understand sarcasm
02:18 PM on 04/04/2013
It seems no one ever addresses the true underlying drivers for the fracking. Deleterious as it is, I can think of no one who does not personally use the end products. We once had a non-oil addicted economy --> It was agrarian. When we are willing to admit and control overpopulation, and reduce population levels to that which can be sustained by an agrarian society, we will never end our dependence on fossil fuels. It is this failure - too many people - which drives our /need/ for fossil energy sources. We are now facing a global economy which is just realizing there is no future for growth. Do you understand what 'no growth' will entail? Until and unless we are willing to reduce the human population, we push ahead exponentially to certain collapse. Any scientist who's grown yeast in a petridish knows the outcome of this. Are we no smarter than yeast?
-Dr. Gary Rutledge
02:09 PM on 04/04/2013
Thank you for providing a well-researched description of the dangers of fracking. I was surprised to learn that Illinois would only be able to provide ten days’ worth of oil. This is indeed a relatively small amount compared to the much greater costs of extracting it. As a resident of Illinois, I am disheartened by the shortsightedness of our legislators, who are clearly using fracking as a stopgap solution to our budget problems. I agree with you that we should wait until we have more information about the effects of this practice on the health of our environment and on the people living in areas where fracking occurs.
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stopsocialism
08:28 PM on 04/04/2013
ten days is another liberal lie but that ten days in the middle of January could be critical if you needed heat
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stopsocialism
08:32 PM on 04/04/2013
there is no research there at all , it is an OPINION piece by a couple of liberal corporation haters, do you not know the difference, NO wonder you voted for Obama you believe anything anyone tells you