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themodernleader 12:08 AM on 05/29/2013
The teachers under the principle in loco parentis have the duty and right to decide what students are to wear, eat, display, and so on while in school under their jurisdiction. At school functions, certain students of specific roles such as cheer leaders who display a religious derivative while other religions are non-religions are not represented is the promotion of doctrines that conflict with our  Read More...
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Ryrik
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11:04 PM on 05/28/2013
At times such as these I really wonder what does ancient Hebrew folklore has to do with us as a nation. After all, the vast majority of us are not Jews. The book has a very specific audience in mind. It is very Jewish in nature. Most of it is simply grossly outdated and can no longer be applied in civilized society.

We can't keep applying standards that were invented several millennia before the common era and expect positive results. Adhering to this ideology has resulted in quite a bit of human destruction and suffering, not to mention stagnation, intolerance, ignorance, and vicious brutality for no rational reasons.
11:43 PM on 05/28/2013
All in the name of the God...
12:08 PM on 05/29/2013
And in the name of our nation politicians and leaders have perpetrated terrible things. Does that mean that you, an American, are like them? Does that mean that they are the substance of America? No, they are dissenters from America's vision and hope. I the same way, many people have called themselves Christians for their own purposes and with zero love for or knowledge of Christ. I'm so sorry that people have been hurt by liars and pretenders. But Christ lives and His true followers aren't war mongers but lovers and servants.
12:05 PM on 05/29/2013
I'm just wondering, which banner a you referring to? The one that said "Run with endurance." Does that not apply today?
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Ryrik
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01:21 PM on 05/29/2013
I'm not referring to any specific banner. All of this ancient Hebrew paraphernalia is out of place in our civilized society. Lets leave tribal customs with their original tribes.
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Champak Roy
Lover of Hypatia
10:21 PM on 05/28/2013
'Animals have these advantages over man: they never hear the clock strike, they die without any idea of death, they have no theologians to instruct them, their last moments are not disturbed by unwelcome and unpleasant ceremonies, their funerals cost.' --- Voltaire

In the case of funerals we have slipped further with the WestBoro picketing, now even sporting events are at stake.
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Santijose
11:32 PM on 05/28/2013
humans are the only animal on the planet that believe in God, and yet act as if they don't.
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Champak Roy
Lover of Hypatia
09:30 AM on 05/29/2013
I do not believe in your God.
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ivsciguy
Engineer
11:08 AM on 05/29/2013
Not all humans. Not even close.
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see-ellen2001
10:09 PM on 05/28/2013
Then a group of atheist spectators should have a banner on the sidelines.
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David Weidner
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12:02 AM on 05/29/2013
Why would atheists hold up signs about atheism at a football game? We're not christyuns for christ sake.
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Loubro2
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12:10 AM on 05/29/2013
And the muslim, and the buddist, and the jews and the wiccans, and the zorastians and ....................
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iaov
Reality is demonstrable.
10:06 PM on 05/28/2013
Just once after a football game I would like to hear a guy on the losing side talk about how he was headed down the sidelines on his way to the end zone when Jesus reached out and slapped the ball out of his hands.
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10:06 PM on 05/28/2013
yeah, "well, i guess jesus just loves their team more."
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11:16 PM on 05/28/2013
What does that have to do with anything?
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Ryrik
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10:53 PM on 05/28/2013
Who would have thought that God is such an avid fan of high school football that he picks which team wins and which one loses :)) Is intensity of prayer the determining factor?
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groovychick1978
"What about the R.O.U.S's?"
10:02 AM on 05/29/2013
I always had a problem with the whole "god knows what IS going to happen from conception to death" when they also say the intercessory prayer works. So, which is it, god has already predetermined your life, or you can pray to change your circumstances. You can't have it both ways, Xtians.
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helmcc814
Puppies, kittens and liberals rock!
09:17 PM on 06/03/2013
And what is his decision based on? As you said maybe it is intensity of prayer. Maybe it is which team's cheerleaders are cuter or have bigger boobs? Maybe it's which team's players have bigger---umm-- physiques. In fact I wonder with so many billions of decisions to be made each day--how does god do it at all?
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Thomas Claypool
09:59 PM on 05/28/2013
Wasn't anyone offended that the football players broke through the banner? :)
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Growup2290
Where are my keys??
10:23 AM on 05/29/2013
BEST. RESPONSE.EVER.
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GraphicMatt
Some people take the microbio way too seriously.
10:31 AM on 05/29/2013
Interesting point. When the professor at FAU did the assignment where he had students write "Jesus" on a piece of paper, and then asked them to crumble the paper, the Christian right went bananas.
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Thomas Claypool
09:56 PM on 05/28/2013
Does this mean that cheerleaders will have to learn to spell? :)
12:34 PM on 05/29/2013
"r-o-w-d-i-e, that's the way we spell rowdy!"

Always got me...
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
09:48 PM on 05/28/2013
Sure, as long as they allow verses from the Quran and Satan, why not. But this is Beaumont, it is redneck country they love their beer and Jesus.
10:13 PM on 05/28/2013
I'm from Beaumont, and I have to agree with you.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
11:25 PM on 05/28/2013
I have been there. Did not care to stay long.
10:16 PM on 05/28/2013
They should get jesus to clean it up.1
09:34 PM on 05/28/2013
I'm an agnostic that doesn't particularly care to participate in religious activities, but I think people tend to make mountains out of molehills in regards to expressions in school. So long as nobody is forced into doing anything religious they aren't in agreement with, I don't see the problem.

I say, if cheerleaders want to use bible verses, if a coach wants to pray with a team, etc, then fine. But if the students get punished for not participating, THEN we have an issue.
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rafaelrobyns
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09:44 PM on 05/28/2013
If you think overt punishment is the only thing that drives kids to feel marginalized, ostracized, and depressed, you don't understand much about teenagers.
09:57 PM on 05/28/2013
Psh, I was the most awkward loner this side of preppysuburbsburg, but this isn't about what students do to other students regarding religion, it's about what the school does. And I'm not going to invoke the "separation of church and state, you don't belong here" card unless I'm systematically disadvantaged due to my beliefs.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
09:49 PM on 05/28/2013
Sure, as long as they let the Muslims, and the Satanists have equal time, it woulb be great. Aaron
10:09 PM on 05/28/2013
It would be. In fact, if a group of middle class suburban white kids took a Quran verse and made that their slogan despite not being Muslims, I would be proud that they managed to find a commonality between their own beliefs and that of another's. 
As for Satanists, I think they get a bad name. Laveyan Satanism isn't so much worshiping Satan as it is embracing hedonism and the self above all. And I think we've got plenty of people embracing that ideology already. 
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draam
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09:21 PM on 05/28/2013
If the cheerleaders are an official school organization then their Christian messages are unconstitutional. Imagine the discomfort of cheerleaders or potential cheerleaders of different faiths.

There are reasons why we separate religion from public affairs. It's more to protect the religious than the irreligious.
09:31 PM on 05/28/2013
I don't think the separation of church and state entails that cheerleaders are expressly forbidden from religious speech and activity. If there was a student of a different faith who felt like they were being FORCED into abiding by a different religion's rules, that would be an issue. But it doesn't seem like that's the case, and it doesn't seem right to ban something because it offends people that don't exist.
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draam
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09:57 PM on 05/28/2013
Would you feel the same if they were quoting the Koran? If that would make you uncomfortable imagine how the reverse is also true. Just because Christians are a majority in this country doesn't mean they should be insensitive to others. It is a PUBLIC school.
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roguez24
There are men who can think no deeper than a fact.
10:59 PM on 05/28/2013
If it's a public school then there is a seperation of church and state. Which people are you talking about that do not exist??
09:01 PM on 05/28/2013
Didn't the Bible say something about being a Bible thumper and shoving your faith down on other people's throats? Like I don't know, Matthew 6?

Not that they shouldn't have a right to free speech.
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silverwolf13
I know that I do not know.
09:09 PM on 05/28/2013
Agreed. Why is the school board wasting money on legal fees when they already have their reward?
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bbailey123
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09:07 AM on 05/29/2013
i think the school board is right to get further legal clarification. it protects them when a sensible parent files suit.
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ivsciguy
Engineer
11:12 AM on 05/29/2013
They know this Judge is a quack and if any of these suits ever make it higher they will be on the losing end.
11:53 PM on 05/28/2013
Free speech is fine....if the school want to include religious teachings move to become a private school.
01:24 AM on 05/29/2013
Apparently free speech is fine as long as you don't mention God...or Jesus...or faith...or religion...or the bible......
02:48 AM on 05/29/2013
I just don't agree with the belief that students shouldn't have free speech rights at school. The whole idea rubs me the wrong way like free speech zones. I imagine the school isn't sponsoring the banners, the students themselves are doing it. If it's just the students Bible thumping then I'd say it's their free speech right. Which of course also means equally loud, in your face opportunity for other points of view
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David Weidner
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Beccs
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08:56 PM on 05/28/2013
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? I read this article on the Friendly Atheist this morning.
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David Weidner
Ask me about my narcissism!
09:03 PM on 05/28/2013
Yes, I'm sure it was a marauding band of rabid atheists too. 
09:02 PM on 05/28/2013
smearing deer urine and Vaseline on the school room door handles, I guess it's a Christian thing.
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08:42 PM on 05/28/2013
One more reason not to like these people: confused, brutal and lacking as their masters are vicious
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AntigoneRisen
08:38 PM on 05/28/2013
Do they also blame Yahweh and/or Jesus when they lose?
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draam
No invisible means of support.
10:01 PM on 05/28/2013
Of course. He knew how the game would turn out even before it began.
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GraphicMatt
Some people take the microbio way too seriously.
10:32 AM on 05/29/2013
We would have won that game, but then Jesus made the QB fumble the ball.
08:01 PM on 05/28/2013
What does the Third Commandment say?

"Thou shalt not use the name of the Lord in vain." Better translated as "Thou shalt not use the name of the Lord for your own vain purposes."

With this in mind, why should cheerleaders be asking God to give their team a victory. Don't the kids on the opposing team go to church believe in God too? Why should God take sides in Texas high school football games?

The cheerleaders involved in this travesty of religion really need to read the Bible, or perhaps they need to change churches. I can't imagine any responsible religious leader condoning such frivolous uses of God's name or the Holy Scriptures.
09:03 PM on 05/28/2013
Because. Then nobody would see how Christian and believing they are.
01:30 AM on 05/29/2013
You have really taken this to the point of being ridiculous! Get a life! It was some cheerleaders holding a sign with a bible verse...