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realpolitic 03:01 PM on 08/17/2013
Christie is just positioning himself for a presidential run. This action clearly shows he has few principles that he is not willing to negotiate to advance his political career.  A .50 caliber rifle is a huge gun not fitted for hunting or really home protection, unless one's home is being invaded by an army. The gun is only suited for killing large numbers of people. This right wing worship of the  Read More...
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HighDesertBob
S.A.C., the real Air Force.
05:45 PM on 08/18/2013
The large bore guns like the .50 cal are primarily used for target shooting, not hunting. They are too large and cumbersome to use for anything else. Here in Nevada we have long distance shooting competitions with competitors using the .50 cal for targets over 300 yards.
In New Jersey and no other state can I find any instance of anyone using one of these large bore rifles for any crime apart from firing where they should not be fired.
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Cory111
Life is truly good...
06:08 PM on 08/18/2013
http://www.vpc.org/snipercrime.htm
Hillary 2016
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Silenze Dogood
Faber est suae quisque fortunae
07:45 PM on 08/18/2013
Hillary for Dogcatcher! After all, what difference does it make at this point?
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jetjocki
Somewhere in the middle
08:05 PM on 08/18/2013
Ah yes, the typical "chicken little" lies by VPC! --- I wondered how long it would be till that deceptive propaganda showed up.

Duplication of incidents, numerous "crimes" that did not even occur in the US, several accounts of attempted smuggling of firearms out of the US, several reports of attempted sales of stolen firearms, several operating as a firearms dealer without proper licensing, alleged "threats" to use a firearm to commit a crime, accidentally starting a fire, and the majority are seizures from persons not permitted to possess ANY of the firearms in their possession, let alone a .50 caliber rifle.

The vaunted VPC propaganda list has a grand total of SIX incidents where a .50 rifle was actually used during the commission of a crime. Only ONE fatality as a result of negligent homicide; TWO injuries as a result of an armored car robbery; ONE incident where a .50 rifle was discharged without injury; and TWO incidents where a .50 rifle was brandished and not discharged.
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smile94965
07:45 PM on 08/18/2013
That does not mean anything. Are we suppose to wait until they do and then ban them?
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HighDesertBob
S.A.C., the real Air Force.
09:37 PM on 08/18/2013
Using that rationalization, we should ban knives, baseball bats, fluffy pillows or any number of innocuous items. They, too, can be used to commit crimes. You probably support Stop and Frisk as well, right?
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HighDesertBob
S.A.C., the real Air Force.
02:49 PM on 08/21/2013
Most of the .50 cal rifles I have seen are single shot, bolt action. There are only one or two that have a magazine that holds more than a few rounds. Remember, this is a very heavy and long rifle, not something that is easily carried around.
Also, perhaps it needs saying again, the Constitution has the Bill of RIGHTS, not the Bill of NEEDS.
05:43 PM on 08/18/2013
Meh .. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has sold out to the NRA...Switching dates half way through the dance is a classic no no !!

You fail Chris Christie..
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David Thacker
Confronting Liberty's Objectors
05:51 PM on 08/18/2013
Maybe he's sold out to "shale not be infringed."
09:28 PM on 08/18/2013
meaning????
05:53 PM on 08/18/2013
Take away their guns. Abolish the 2nd Amendment along with all of the Bill of Rights!

It appears that liberals are intent to lead our nation out of the burden of individual liberty and personal responsibility and into the peace of conformity, subjugation, and dependency.
Liberals/progressives are on a crusade against American gun owners
06:00 PM on 08/18/2013
Oh give it a rest .. Yawn !!
07:17 PM on 08/18/2013
Zip it, zippy.
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ForeverHopeful
05:30 PM on 08/18/2013
It's shocking that democrats in New Jersey have endorsed CC. What he has done thus far as governor should give pause to where his true allegiances reside, and it ain't with the low/middle class. HE IS A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING. You democrats supporting him will be sorry. He is not to be trusted. As he said "I will do anything to win", very telling, take heed!
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rysagr4
the left traffics in fear
05:34 PM on 08/18/2013
he signed a bunch of anti gun laws. not sure what your point is.
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ForeverHopeful
05:59 PM on 08/18/2013
Point is he doesn't tell the truth on a whole host of issues.
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05:41 PM on 08/18/2013
Yes.Clearly. When they tell you who they are, believe them!
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rda1911a1
God Bless John Browning
05:30 PM on 08/18/2013
As an avid shooter no way will I ever vote for Christie
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wme98
Send in the clowns...Don't bother they're here!!!!
05:22 PM on 08/18/2013
Well Christie has begun his move to the far right extremism. As a former Republican I am sorry to see his caving to the lunatic fringe. I was hoping that he would resist the pull to the far right and give the millions of former Republicans and Independents looking for a moderate right of center choice for President. Let the GOP circus begin.
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David Thacker
Confronting Liberty's Objectors
05:52 PM on 08/18/2013
Far right? That RINO won't hunt.
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wme98
Send in the clowns...Don't bother they're here!!!!
07:24 PM on 08/19/2013
The RINOs are the far right Tea Baggers that have hijacked the GOP. Until they are flushed out the GOP will never win another national election
06:01 PM on 08/18/2013
How many $10,000 .50 caliber guns are there in NJ?
answer: 3 maybe 4
banning them will do what?
answer: nothing
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wme98
Send in the clowns...Don't bother they're here!!!!
07:25 PM on 08/19/2013
Then why not ban them? Why do people need such a weapon?
05:16 PM on 08/18/2013
Christie will sooner or later have to start acting like a Republican if he aspires to higher office.Signing a gun ban would have ended any chance he mite have.Obama stayed away from the gun issue until his second term and he would no longer run for office.
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ObiRich
Spent 24 years defending our rights around the wor
06:44 PM on 08/18/2013
He signed 10 draconian measures 2 weeks ago. You think one little ole common sense veto will change people's mind?
07:52 PM on 08/18/2013
No,I wouldn't vote for him for all the tea in China!He doesn't have a snow balls chance in he--ll but his ego will not let him believe that.
09:34 PM on 08/18/2013
really? what were they?
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yellowbusdriver
In trying times, don't quit trying.
05:15 PM on 08/18/2013
eh ... there are far more dangerous guns than the .50 ... most assault rifles are more dangerous despite the lower caliber. Your average person couldn't lift a Barrett much less fire it many times. The ammo is heavy too, and you'd go deaf without ample ear protection. You certainly can't conceal the monstrous rifle.
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Silenze Dogood
Faber est suae quisque fortunae
07:49 PM on 08/18/2013
Assault rifles are essentially illegal in America (very few NFA tax stamp exceptions). Do you even know what you are talking about?
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Derni
05:15 PM on 08/18/2013
people change their views//we all do..most people go through life without the big paradigm change that involves the brain..and do to evoltuion..most people act of the need to take care of their GENES..care for their families and themselves..but some people--especially those drawn into the field of politics--seem to change their minds quite a bit based on where the money load is coming from and what goals they have in mind..don't look to these men for moral guidance..their compass is driven internally
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54Cheyenne
Failure plus excuses doesn't equal success.
05:02 PM on 08/18/2013
The antigun zealots and nuts will be out in force with mock outrage over a topic they are ill prepared to address. This gun hasn't been used in massacres. It hasn't been used in any crimes. It is used in recreation and competition by enthusiasts who can afford the outrageous cost of each round of ammunition (I've seen $4 per round).

His veto was a well reasoned position. It was not one induced by mock outrage, a lack of understanding or simply an antigun agenda. Well done for researching the topic and voting consistent with that research.
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BlueForTrue
05:08 PM on 08/18/2013
It's sad how you insecure droolers have to make up your strawmen.
Nobody's anti-gun.
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rysagr4
the left traffics in fear
05:12 PM on 08/18/2013
funniest post of the day by far. wow, just WOW. did i say WOW.
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commofreq
Guns determine who's left. Not who's right.
05:13 PM on 08/18/2013
How can you accuse someone of making a straw-man argument, and then finish it off with, "nobody's anti-gun"?
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05:34 PM on 08/18/2013
hand grenades have not been used in crimes either..but I would not want them legalized..My point is that there is a line where the weapon being used for potential terrorism, overrules its possible use for sporting. Its my view that any rifle round larger than say a .308 (which can be used for hunting)...has so little sporting value, that its value to a free society is out weighed by its danger..Thats my opinion..
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Sabrina Gray
Thy songs were made for the pure and free
06:20 PM on 08/18/2013
Actually, a .300 Win Mag is great for Grizzly's, and FYI, the 2A isn't about hunting, or can you show me the part where hunting is listed???
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54Cheyenne
Failure plus excuses doesn't equal success.
06:20 PM on 08/18/2013
You have a point. And it is a shared one. Hand grenades are illegal. Automatic weapons are illegal.  Missiles are illegal.  A rifle that is used as a sniper weapon, long range shooting and in competition shooting I don't think should be, nor is it, illegal.   

Thus far the .50 caliber has been around since 1982 or over 30 years. No massacres. . . no murders . . . no criminal activity.  Seems the "fear" of its danger is what is being measured, not the actual danger it poses.    Its value to a free society isn't outweighed by its danger - it hasn't been a danger so that equation is zero on the danger side.  Fear on the other hand is hardly a good reason to legislate.  
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
04:46 PM on 08/18/2013
I can't believe I'm saying this but hypocrisy or not he was right to veto the bill. Preemptive laws to ban something that has no history of being used for crime are a very bad idea and border on being being big brother knows best type nanny statism.
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SaucyD
Can you hear me now!
05:26 PM on 08/18/2013
Unless you are planning on fighting an army, what use is a .50 caliber weapon?
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rysagr4
the left traffics in fear
05:37 PM on 08/18/2013
it's fun. at 5 bucks a round it would get expensive real quick
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From my cold dead hands
pro-gun/anti-criminal
05:40 PM on 08/18/2013
Why should you be allowed to have a big screen TV?

They have killed far more people in this country than .50 caliber weapons have.
06:09 PM on 08/18/2013
In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment "codified a pre-existing right" and that it "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home" but also stated that "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose".

let me repeat the part that says in (2008) the Supreme Court also stated that "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose".
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J T K
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
06:37 PM on 08/18/2013
It isn't unlimited but the government has to show that there is a good reason before placing restrictions on the right to bear arms. There is no good reason in this case other than, because we said so.
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04:46 PM on 08/18/2013
I don't care how far to the right this man moves just as long as the state senate and assembly stays Democrat so he can't drag my state down with him.
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commofreq
Guns determine who's left. Not who's right.
05:14 PM on 08/18/2013
Here's a radical idea - elect some leaders that refuse to allow your state to be "dragged down".
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Silenze Dogood
Faber est suae quisque fortunae
07:54 PM on 08/18/2013
The State Senate and Assembly Democrats are IDIOTS. I've seen them in action.
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09:04 AM on 08/19/2013
I don't care what you think they are either as long as they stay Democrat and MY state doesn't become a so called religious extremist right winged bagger state.
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fenderbender1
The world as I see it
04:29 PM on 08/18/2013
The soldiers that use this piece of recreational equipment in the mountains of Afghanistan are glad they have them. However, the folks in the neighborhood close to the firing range in NJ may feel a bit differently. The projectile that comes from this weapon will go through every house in that neighborhood before it ever even begins to slow down if it doesn't hit something solid enough to stop it!
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commofreq
Guns determine who's left. Not who's right.
05:16 PM on 08/18/2013
Are you high? I could see this round going clean through a small house. *One* small house.

Every house in the neighborhood. Pfft. I'd like to know who's brainwashing you people.
06:07 PM on 08/18/2013
A fear of guns is a sign of sexual deviancy - Sigmund Freud
07:19 PM on 08/18/2013
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." -Sigmund Freud.
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rysagr4
the left traffics in fear
04:28 PM on 08/18/2013
omg someone might actually own a gun someone else doesn't approve of. oh the horror.
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FromaNawlinsLevee
Still fine...in the Lower Nine
04:15 PM on 08/18/2013
From New Orleans:

Hey, look. The word came down From Above. You do what you're told.
04:14 PM on 08/18/2013
His opinion on the position has evolved?