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12:18 PM on 08/30/2013
SAT is a racket. They develop a test then sell expensive courses and test prep books the size of dictionaries and let kids take it multiple times. Ridiculous. There should be one easy to understand test in the middle of or the end of your junior year in HS that tests the major things you should know in English, math, science, history, and civics. With perhaps one more chance to redo if you fall below a certain low score. But I don't trust this man to redesign anything if he designed the Common Core that leaves out much US history and eliminates any attachment to western civilization. Can't wait to see what he comes up. Changes will, obviously, be geared toward bringing up the SAT scores of minority students because that's what education is all about nowadays.
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NoWayMan
12:16 PM on 08/30/2013
I wonder if the SAT folks are planning another re-centering of scores any time soon in order to keep up with america's declining education system.

the metrics used for scoring the SAT originally made it so that 500 for one section was the average score.

but in 1994, after years of decline since the 1940s when the SAT began, the test makers decided to re-center those scores because the average in America in 1994 was 424 for verbal and 478 for math. so those scores got automatically bumped up to 500 and voila, the 500 average was saved!

so if you took the SAT in say, 1990 and got a 1200 (verbal and math) and then your kid took the SAT today and also gets a 1200 in the same sections, your score is actually higher.
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NYCastoria
The more I learn, the less I no.
12:11 PM on 08/30/2013
Rewriting the science section should be easy.
God did it all...
01:52 PM on 08/30/2013
you forgot to add "in 6 days", so I'm afraid your score will suffer.
02:41 PM on 08/30/2013
Or we could have the atheist answer of how life began - "we really have no idea"
12:11 PM on 08/30/2013
Yeah, "blah blah blah" pretty much summarizes the response to Diane Ravitch' thoughtful and well-founded criticism of standardized testing. It doesn't work but its advocates just keep the smokescreen going.
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FromaNawlinsLevee
Still fine...in the Lower Nine
11:57 AM on 08/30/2013
From New Orleans:

I didn't get to university until middle age. We had no "SATs" when I was I a child. They had to accept me on my merit--and an essay--there were no sterling test results with which to compare me. I somehow managed college and graduate school, winning some scholarships and prize money for writing, along the way.

Get rid of these foolish tests! Can you even imagine these poor babies and their parents with no SAT scores to measure each other's worth...? I apologize--but let's change things! How about getting into college because you have a brain, can reason and think, and write a decent paragraph...and forget how wealthy you are or who your daddy is?
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curmugin
Sorry kids.
01:07 PM on 08/30/2013
Even better is the old system of letting nearly everybody in, and then having them take an actual academic class and flunking out the 60% who can't do college level work in the first semester. It gives everybody a chance, it doesn't discriminate, and it doesn't give people false hope while draining their wallets. Face it people. You can do it or you can't.
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FromaNawlinsLevee
Still fine...in the Lower Nine
01:24 PM on 08/30/2013
From New Orleans: Agreed! Your points are valid. I wish the American public would have a discussion about this--and change it! 
08:05 PM on 09/01/2013
High school students thus have no motivation to do well and prepare themselves because they will (and do) think they are assured of getting into college no matter how little advantage they take of the education they are given in grades 9-12. It is not well-known how few spend those thousands of dollars on the first year and cannot hack it. Until this is much, much better publicized, your idea will have the opposite effect from what is intended.
11:54 AM on 08/30/2013
I just want to barf after reading this twaddle.
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11:39 AM on 08/30/2013
Right this guy huh, I guess the cultural selectivity of the test will continue.
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Robert Buttons
04:58 PM on 08/31/2013
The SAT is culturally biased, but not in the way you think it is. Kids in low performing groups actually perform BETTER on the SAT than what would be predicted by college outcomes.
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Baldtimbo
Banned in the USA!
11:28 AM on 08/30/2013
Republicans are scared to death of "Common Core"... AM hate radio is aghast -- they think Common Core is a socialist plot to turn children into goosestepping Obama automatons. They believe this LITERALLY. They literally believe it. As they literally believe that the earth is 6000 years old and that Obama is a liberal.
04:08 PM on 08/31/2013
It's not just republicans who have serious doubts about this. There are many valid questions about this orchestrated takeover of our public schools.
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Baldtimbo
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05:29 PM on 08/31/2013
There is intelligent debate to be had on the subject.    Just don't ever look to the right for ANY intelligent debate on anything.   
11:19 AM on 08/30/2013
I am glad I do not have children to manipulate.
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Robert Buttons
04:59 PM on 08/31/2013
I'm glad I don't have children for the govt to manipulate.
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NoSandwiches
11:13 AM on 08/30/2013
The intent of the core is to give a guide so that when tested, students have been exposed to and taught and experienced the items tested. The stupid no child left behind law was about tests. It was like that test you took in PE class where suddenly you were evaluated on the number of push-ups and pull-ups you could do, even though you were never taught how to do a proper push-up or pull-up and never practiced them in class. The Core is the missing link--asking that at the core of what is taught, you at least cover certain bases. My first grade son was assigned a report. He had to write a topic sentence and three supporting sentences. He had to present his report to the class. This will become old hat because every grade works on these skills. When I was a kid, you did this for the first time in sixth grade, and then you didn't have this expectation again until college prep English as a senior. They resist because it came from the Obama administration. They resist because they are afraid of children learning to question. They are afraid of literacy.
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Dear Prudence...
11:56 AM on 08/30/2013
Fanned - excellent post. I agree.
01:22 PM on 08/30/2013
You are so correct about being afraid of literacy and people actually thinking and questioning. Personally, I don't like testing kids all of the time. Education is a cumulative process, and not everyone learns at the same rate- but they should be learning and the only way to know that is to test. I see no harm in making sure that a student in one state learns the same as a student in another. Right now many states(if not all) have their own curriculum, core standards, and textbooks. Think about the money that is not actually spent on education that is spent on bureaucracy for each state to have different standards, guidelines, and the implementation of those on the state and district levels. Not to mention the cost of textbooks that need to be printed for each state that has a different core standard and different testing materials. Education is definitely a business, but I don't know how much of it is for actually educating children as much as it should be. There are great teachers that are not given the resources to actually do what they need to do because mainly of lack of funding. It is not because the money isn't there, it just isn't being spent in the right ways.
11:07 AM on 08/30/2013
I've worked directly and intimately with Common Core standards in a large urban school district. My problem with them isn't that they exist, it's how assessment occurs, and determining what test scores actually tell us.

Broad curriculum standards lend themselves to broad, standardized testing measures. Standardizing tests means a lot of students are going to take them. That requires a whole lot of grading. And when a whole lot of tests need to be graded, they're going to end up being sit-down-and-fill-in-these-bubbles-for-a-long-time affairs that can be placed into machines for assessment. Does this test a student's love of learning? Their desire to be a lifelong learner? Their love of reading? And don't we want those things to be a part of a "quality education" for our children?

Broad, standardized testing measures also introduce a whole lot of variables into play that might not have been considered before. For example, a student's zip code, ethnicity, and socioeconomic status (and I know "zip code" and "socioeconomic status" can be a bit redundant) can be used to predict their scores on standardized tests with alarming accuracy. So what happens when we use these tests as the primary determining factor for whether students are learning within schools? What are we really finding out when we analyze these results on a large scale?
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curmugin
Sorry kids.
01:12 PM on 08/30/2013
Nuthin'.
08:11 PM on 09/01/2013
Exactly. The standards themselves are pretty good-- certainly better than the content-free NH "ELA" ones they replace. It's the assessment that concerns me. There's no way all those things can be tested, so as usual, assessment content will be random or skills -- not knowledge -- based.
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Jordan Kratz
10:58 AM on 08/30/2013
From what I have seen Conservatives hate this so it must be good thing.One of those Bagger Gopers even compared it to Hitler type Laws.
LOL ! Time to advance to present Days and bring something new to those Tests I took in the Early 70's.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
10:56 AM on 08/30/2013
Can he make it so that if you put your 'X' in the big black box in the middle of the page with your crayon, that you then get full points for the test? Of course, if you do that, what will the test actually and honestly be worth? 
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azou
Bref.............
10:50 AM on 08/30/2013
I could not get my self read passed "College Board, a national education company".
In any Western world, the education of the citizen is managed by the Government, not some private company.
Government should set the standard of the education of its citizens and youth.
12:26 PM on 08/30/2013
Education is left to the states under our Constitution. The federal government should have no role at all. If the feds want to suggest a common core or race to the top or whatever, fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to collect tax money from states and only give it back to he states for education only when they agree to jump the federal hoop. This is coercion, and it's the same way the fed. government tries to force state compliance for everything they want to do. Why do we have to have this adversarial relationship with our own federal govt?
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gonzoman
01:03 PM on 08/30/2013
well put! F&F
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02:19 PM on 08/30/2013
Because so many people now worship the federal Gubamint.
10:45 AM on 08/30/2013
If you graduate from HS why is a standardized test like the ACT or SAT necessary? Some kids spend several thousand dollars on prep courses to improve scores, other kids are very good or bad at timed testing which has a direct impact on scores. In college you start out with some pretty basic core courses and students will soon find out what direction they can pursue. Also your success in HS, SAT/ACT scores is not a measure of your success at a university or in life.
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Summer77
10:56 AM on 08/30/2013
I agree and the only one making the $$$ here are the people who print the test and charge for the taking of the test! What an SAT Or ACT test say is irrelevant to how any student will do in College. Some test high other who test low are in some cases smarter then the hight testers. The Tests are not a indication of anything but a money maker for many.
12:32 PM on 08/30/2013
They measure how smart you are, how quick you can think, and how much varied knowledge you have attained. People who score low can certainly do well in college and life, but they will probably have to work harder in college than those who ace the test with high scores.
01:36 PM on 08/30/2013
Not really, it is very basic knowledge, subjects sessions are set up in such a way that a lot of HS students do not engage in but outside of school they can accomplish great things