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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Bigidea
02:02 PM on 01/05/2010
All that WMD training is not working then?
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haval2
what to say?
01:52 PM on 01/05/2010
We've got satellites in the sky, outdated computer systems in DC and almost non existent intelligence on the ground. We dropped the ball years ago and a house cleaning & a NEW direction are needed. Too many old guys with the cold war mentality and no sharing going on. We can't rust others and frankly can't trust ourselves.
01:11 PM on 01/05/2010
"Ignorant, clueless, incompetent and marginally relevant" except when it comes to foment coup d'├ętat in Haiti and latin America.
01:30 PM on 01/05/2010
against the soviets too...
01:49 PM on 01/05/2010
You're probably right but I'll appreciate if you can name me one major espionage coup to the soviets.
02:24 PM on 01/05/2010
what about the u.s. coup of 1980?
01:11 PM on 01/05/2010
Relying on newspapers for the ground truth . . . now, that's funny.
01:08 PM on 01/05/2010
Maybe it's time Obama does some serious housecleaning throughout our so called intelligence agencies.
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ellenst
Aries woman--too blessed to be stressed
01:28 PM on 01/05/2010
Shouldn't be too hard to fill the positions in light of the high employment rate. Must be some qualified intelligence agents among the unemployed.
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christopherflynn
The wreligious wright is always rong...
03:47 PM on 01/05/2010
if they had any intelligence, whatsoever, they wouldn't want to become an intelligence agent...
01:56 PM on 01/05/2010
Obama is very limited in the amount of house cleaning he is able or willing to do. This is because he surrounded himself with a lot of neocons from the Bush era (to protect his derriere) who are strongly advocating the status quo!
12:54 PM on 01/05/2010
"...the U.S. intelligence community is now only "marginally relevant" to the mission there."

And that is probably true because, IMO, the core mission has been waging war rather than taking the sane, reasonable approach of an intelligence/policing action, from the get-go.

And blame BushCo for their many errors and illegal actions--they surely deserve such--but this goes all the way back to 1993, and the failure to "work" terrorism from a intelligence community approach; had we started then perhaps 9/11 would have been averted, or perhaps not. But surely we would be in a far greater position to deal with terrorism through our intelligence agencies, and we could have possibly avoided two unnecessary wars [albeit true that NeoCon objectives were never about avoiding war].
01:18 PM on 01/05/2010
You have a convenient memory. it was carter and clinton who enviscerated our on the ground intelligence gathering. it was clinton who created the "wall" between intelligent departments which made it harder for everyone to be on the same page. the last airplane bomber is a good example.
01:21 PM on 01/05/2010
Where did you go to school? Mom and Pop University?
01:26 PM on 01/05/2010
Perhaps, but yours is quite obviously one of the fictional variety....
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Dr. Sam
12:33 PM on 01/05/2010
I feel for those who died in this incident and applaud their sacrifice. I feel especially for their surviving families. Nevertheless, the CIA bungled big time. Why was it necessary for so many CIA officials to meet with this man, including the station chief? The Israeli intelligence would have handled it differently. May be they would let only one or two officials to meet with the "informant." Furthermore, they would have thoroughly seached him before letting him into the compound. I still believe that we have this habit of being careless at the most sensitive time. We can't afford to continue with this habit in the face of the very clever enemy we face.
04:34 PM on 01/05/2010
All that is evident in retrospect.

But we do not know the relationship they had with the double agent.

Remember Ahmad Shah Massoud was assassinated in a similar fashion. And his security should have been the best in the world.
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12:24 PM on 01/05/2010
I did not need a report to tell me what History has shown us again and again.

The United States of America's "Intelligence community" has been a failure from its inception and still is.
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ellenst
Aries woman--too blessed to be stressed
12:35 PM on 01/05/2010
If it was failure from inception, wouldn't our streets and cities be comparable to some of those in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Pakistan? I sleep well at night knowing there's a US intelligence community, including my local police department, working somewhere doing the best job they can under the circumstances.
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12:58 PM on 01/05/2010
May I suggest that you read Legacy of ashes.
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FoonTheElder
Always choosing between the lesser of two evils
03:05 PM on 01/05/2010
Been to Detroit lately?
12:22 PM on 01/05/2010
When a person ( Reflective-a-nation ) is self absorbed

by design or desire, the outcome of interracting with others

is desasterous .

With the availability of planes and cars, people have become

more mobile than ever, some have become people of the world

Human problems and struggles are common and some need

humanity's co-operation to take on the task of battling a virus

or illeteracy ...................

They realise the importance of live itself and not who's living it .

Learn from them, they've broken the Dogmas barrier .
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Dr Scott
I neither sow, nor reap, nor toil, nor spin
12:21 PM on 01/05/2010
I don't want to criticize all intelligence officers, but in my experience, they do rely too heavily on people they apprehend as terrorists and people who conveniently come in to trade "information" for money. The idea of getting out and actually developing relationships with ordinary people doesn't seem to occur to them. You'd be surprised what ordinary people can tell you about what is going on locally and who is important in the area. Afghans and Iraqis frequently told me that they worked the US intelligence apparatus to make money. But try to tell an intelligence officer what you've learned, with no motivation other than to help out, and you're dismissed out of hand.
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patches12
12:16 PM on 01/05/2010
And this is a surprise??? The morale of the CIA is in the toilet.. Would you risk your life or risk being captured tortured for a government that wants to prosecute you and send you to jail?? Holder and Obama's war on the CIA is taking its toll!
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ellenst
Aries woman--too blessed to be stressed
12:26 PM on 01/05/2010
Would I risk my life...if I accepted the job knowing the consequences, then yes. Holder and Obama are at war against the CIA? Facts and resources please; not Faux talking points.
01:11 PM on 01/05/2010
right! because we all know you work in the cia and experienced first hand the 'low morale' that you so easily claim...

did i mention that i'm the master of the universe?
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Artos
Down with Tyrants
12:16 PM on 01/05/2010
When the disconnect in intelligence, between those who have the luxury of sitting behind a desk in a nice safe secure office in America or even Europe, and those on the ground in places like Afghanistan is finally ended, then and only then will our hopelessly ignorant leaders realize they can only win by getting out.
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Littlewords
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12:13 PM on 01/05/2010
Not surprising considering the CIA tends to provide no valuable insight to the military, who are on their own to sort things out and are the only significant reach, as limited as it is, into the local communities. Sadly, in Afghanistan, as with the underwear b0mber, even when the CIA does finally get information they either hold it close to their vest and do not share it (information is power seems to be their motto), or they flub it up and end up either not helping in a meaningful way or actually dropping the ball.

Next the BlackWater, they remain a danger, not to the enemy in Afghanistan, but to our own troops as their folly and mis-steps endanger others and enr@ge the locals.
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ellenst
Aries woman--too blessed to be stressed
12:39 PM on 01/05/2010
And you're either former CIA agent or intelligence officer who's an expert on the subject?
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Littlewords
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12:49 PM on 01/05/2010
Many, and this report included in particular, reflect much of my post.

Where is your evidence to the contrary, please do share. I do see the CIA with other results, but not in this theater at all. They appear very much as the report claims.
01:19 PM on 01/05/2010
Wow...do you even know how the intel community works? Every branch of service in the military has their own intel department that are focused on their branch missions. CIA's mission is very broad and sometimes crosses into MI. However, you seem to left out allll the other 3-letter Intel Orgs that also have their own missions... perhaps it's better if you understand the functions of the diff organizations first before critizing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community

...i do however agree with you on one point...Xe (former blackwater) is a mistake..
12:13 PM on 01/05/2010
All this time, money, lives.
And there is yet NO clear strategy on the Taliban/Al-Q
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
ellenst
Aries woman--too blessed to be stressed
12:45 PM on 01/05/2010
Ready to offer your clear strategy?
12:13 PM on 01/05/2010
The Intel Chief has a powerfully potent point here. It goes without saying that civil affairs will always be one the cornerstones to asymmetric warfare, but many people in the field tend to dismiss this because they are so busy chasing shiny objects in the form of minor insurgents and bomb-making middlemen.

Our troops are often shut out of the ivory tower intel community for the very reasons mentioned by the President during the Christmas Day near-disaster in Detroit. Our intelligence community is one, big bureaucratic maze. Getting reports vetted, classified and cleared nearly takes an act of Congress. It is so debilitating that many are often operationally irrelevant by the time they are channeled through the chain of command. People are more concerned about protecting their three-lettered badge of honor than getting intel into the right hands. However, there are good reasons for compartmentalizing intel, but that's a different topic for a different day.

We have to be tactically flexible and culturally aware if we are going to move forward in a world where asymmetric threats are emerging far and wide.
01:22 PM on 01/05/2010
correct on the maze part but it doesn't take an act of congress... matter of fact less than 1 % of congress has security clearance and they don't declass materials...their sole job is oversight...
02:55 PM on 01/05/2010
I was being facetious when I used that phrase. It was meant to emphasize the fact that bureaucracy plays a large role in the intelligence dissemination process.
01:22 PM on 01/05/2010
...missed two words... security clearance high enough...