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11:39 AM on 03/17/2010
...This is NOT a day to celabrate!
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11:18 AM on 03/17/2010
No such thing as a saint.. All those saints are really just one thing. D ea d.
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10:49 AM on 03/17/2010
God, give us atheists the strength to deal with these religious fanatics.
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vampbella09
10:30 AM on 03/17/2010
Ya lets celebrate a man who helped destroy the indiginous belief systems of Ireland!!!!! I've got a better idea, lets move beyond belief in gods and saints.
10:26 AM on 03/17/2010
St Patrick's Day used to be fasting and mass and actually being from Ireland. Now it's about a particular famous brand of world-record peddling Protestant porter and/or the USA. You'd think St Pad opened a brewery in Massachusetts circa 1952 the way he is portrayed. Funny how things change - neither good nor bad. If only Jacob's monopolised things in a similar fashion - we'd all be eating green cheese and crackers.

But nae botha - i once celebrated St Pad's Day in Vancouver complete with a parade of bagpipers playing 'Scotland the Brave'. Haha. Scotireland is not just on TV Tropes.
02:08 PM on 03/17/2010
How about it is big media taking advantage of a chance to peddle their alcohol based religion again?

I know they discriminate against pot mercilessly, they won't even let us run political ads. I think it is all based on their religious discrimination against us pagans and I am sick of it.

If the NFL Were More Lenient About Pot, Would the Players Get Involved in Less Drunken Violence?
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/146021/

How the DEA Scrubbed Thomas Jefferson's Monticello Poppy Garden from Public Memory
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/145872/
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11:12 PM on 03/17/2010
The thing with pot has nothing to do with pagans. Keeping it illegal is very profitable.
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10:23 AM on 03/17/2010
One thing in life that seems to be almost certain is that nothing stays the same, everything evolves. From the day we are born we evolve, the planet evolves, science, art, music, language evolves and so do customs and traditions. For me (an Irish descendant as well), St. Patrick's Day is a day to celebrate Irish culture and it is for a lot of people. Stop trying to bring back the past, it's over.
10:21 AM on 03/17/2010
1) Padraig, if he lived, grew up in Roman-occupied northern Cymru/Wales, now southern Alba/Scotland. As such, his first language was a Celtic tongue, not Latin

2) He helped to destroy the religion native to Ireland which, in some ways, set the stage for Ireland's subjugation by the English

Even so: La 'le Pharaig shone dhuit, an t-Athair
10:41 AM on 03/17/2010
Explain to me how North Wales is now Southern Scotland? That is not physically possible seeing as they are hundreds of miles apart and separated by large swathes of Northern England.

Nobody actually truly knows where Patrick the man himself came from. The place was called Banna Venta Berniae - this has been suggested as Birdoswald fort in Cumbria. Adomnan - his biographer was unclear. Patrick was certainly Romano-British and most likely understood Latin to an educated degree. The correct term for the 'native' tongue he spoke is Brythonic - a language probably most similar to modern Welsh and other P-Celtic languages.
11:15 AM on 03/17/2010
1) The entire island of Britain, with the exception of Pictish territories, was Cymru (BTW, "Cumbria" is a Latin corruption of "Cymru"). Scotland (Named for the Scotti or Scoti Irish) had yet to be "Gaelicized"

2) I'm not claiming that Padraig couldn't speak Latin, I merely commented on Fr. Martin's claim of his learning to speak "Celtic"

3) I'm well aware of the two branches of the Celtic language family: I'm a former Celtic League officer!

BTW, I haven't seen the terms "P-Celtic", "Q-Celtic" or "Goidelic" (For the Gaelic branch) used in some time
04:50 PM on 03/17/2010
The border changed many times in the past depending on which country won the conflicts. Up a bit, down a bit, etc.
10:51 AM on 03/17/2010
Oops! "shona", not "shone" (Read first, THEN hit "Post a Comment")
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10:04 AM on 03/17/2010
More Vatican obstruction of truth?
"Patrick" was a roman sent to Erie in order to 'cleanse' the country of it's Druid priests / priestesses ... drive the snakes from the Emerald Isle? I should be happy to celebrate some blindly obedient, cruel man who came to my Ancestors' home and committed genocide on them? REally?
I won't go on with the count of lies and indecency that the Holy See and Catholic Church stands for .... ignorance continues to be bliss even here on HuffPo... I'm surprised.
10:19 AM on 03/17/2010
Seriously. St Patty belongs right in the same dust bin with Columbus. Their history and truth has been turned into legend and propaganda
02:19 PM on 03/17/2010
Well we protest on Columbus Day, so I suppose smoking some pot in public or some other sort of pagan religious practice would be appropriate.

Please be sue to protest Borders while you are at it, they are nasty to Native Americans.

How do we be sure not to be arrested?

They want to drive the snakes out of the Americas too but I think we are more firmly established here, it has been 500 years of trying and they haven't accomplished it yet. In fact, I think they are losing ground.

Rev Lauren Unruh
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Brooklyn73
09:11 AM on 03/17/2010
I'm so glad this article was written. ), St. Patrick was an amazing and holy man. Ireland should be lucky to have him as a role model. St. Patrick stood up to all the pagans especially on Samhain and said "Hey folks, you don't have to offer up your babies as a burnt offering to the gods. Jesus died so we didn't have to do that. God loves you regardless. Cut the crap." He is one of my favorite religious figures.
10:09 AM on 03/17/2010
" St. Patrick stood up to all the pagans especially on Samhain and said "Hey folks, you don't have to offer up your babies as a burnt offering to the gods. "

Are you for REAL??? Pagans may (or may not have) made offerings and sacrifices to their gods and goddesses, much like old timey Catholics did in the form of offering of animals, using incense, lighting candles, and offerings of wine and bread... but they did NOT burn their own babies.
Where did you learn such nonsense?? Oh, probably the Catholic schools...
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11:21 AM on 03/17/2010
Oh yeah. Jebus died for our sins, yadda yadda yadda.

Guess what? Jebas never existed, and saints don't either.

Blind faith is still blind.
11:44 AM on 03/17/2010
You really want to claim that Jesus didn't exist?
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11:50 AM on 03/17/2010
You should probably clarify: Jesus and the saints did exist (most of them anyway) there is documentation varified by secular and pagan sources. What is unlikely is their divinity or relationships with the divine.
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07:49 AM on 03/17/2010
Maybe St Patrick can drive the snakes out of the church.
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NoMercy
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10:00 AM on 03/17/2010
Good one!
02:20 PM on 03/17/2010
Honestly? I think that would take a woman.
03:16 PM on 03/17/2010
Honestly? I think that would take a woman.

AMEN!!
06:10 AM on 03/17/2010
Love rules
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GaryCharles
05:46 AM on 03/17/2010
Give Ireland back her churches, no strings, and no priests. That would be a happy St. Patricks Day indeed. The decent fathers and nuns can reapply for their jobs. Sinead was right all along.
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Tabasco
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02:35 AM on 03/17/2010
While we're at it....

Let's put the Walking Dead back into Halloween, the Pokanokets back into Thanksgiving, animal sacrifices back into Judaism, Kali worship back into Hinduism, Magdalene Laundry asylums back into Irish society and the Dominicans back in charge of the Inquistitions.
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Neophile
10:59 AM on 03/17/2010
Kali is much maligned and misunderstood. Do your homework.
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Tabasco
Never eat anything bigger than your head. - Kliban
12:56 PM on 03/17/2010
So are the Pokanokets. I'm aware of the misunderstandings on Kali. My point you missed is that it may not be such a good idea to start reintroducing old practices (like animal sacrifices in Judaism) without risking both negative and positive facts coming out.

The St. Patrick of myth and the St. Patrick of history are often at odds with one another. Same goes for Kali, Dominicans, Magdalene "schools", and too many others.

Rev. Martin's suggestion that we put the mythical saint back in to the holiday doesn't cover any of the negative backlash that would occur if we took that step.

And as far as the walking dead.... I don't see anything negative about em.
02:22 PM on 03/17/2010
Judaism is still doing animal sacrifices, what do you think Palestinians are to them?
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Never eat anything bigger than your head. - Kliban
03:42 PM on 03/17/2010
Next time you comment, try to use less "us and them". Neither Palestinians nor Israelis are clean on that conflict. Each have a claim to ownership and neither side can see past that.

As soon as you start justifying one side over the other, despite each using the same destructive methods, you lose your ability to be objective. You also contribute to an ongoing escalation in violence.
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01:52 AM on 03/17/2010
Bloom's Day...now that's an Irish holiday!!!
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01:36 AM on 03/17/2010
Didn't Patrick have some sort of religion-off with the druids? And cut down a tree sacred to them when they couldn't produce.

That would be like demanding Fr. Martin to produce miracles on demand, and destroying St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC if he didn't produce them.

At least Patrick wasn't a throat-cutter like Elijah, nor a chop and dice guy like Samuel.
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billygore2000
06:59 AM on 03/17/2010
You're confusing St. Patrick for St. Boniface, apostle to the Germans; however, Boniface was Irish.
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12:16 PM on 03/17/2010
Thanks. I can't keep these early saints straight.