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01:42 AM on 05/12/2010
Here's my prediction, for what it's worth.
BP will work through this eventually and their support will come at the pump. Their relief wells will work sooner or later but this will turn out to be the worst disaster ever. They'll realize that getting involved with Haliburton was a big mistake and they'll find new people that can actually do concrete and electrical work. They'll support a ban on new deep water rigs and support other kinds of regulation.
In the meantime, there will be more discussion of nuclear technology and where to put it.
Merlin the Magician has spoken.
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Amalek
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01:57 AM on 05/12/2010
This is not a problem with Haliburton. This is an institutional problem in the industry. But it may trigger a shift in thinking - instead of drill, baby drill or invading Middle Eastern countries, society will commit to finding other non-petroleum sources of energy. Wind, solar, nuclear, cow farts etc.
02:10 AM on 05/12/2010
It won't trigger a shift in thinking until people see with their own eyes the damage that's been done. Then we'll start looking at energy objectively. I don't know who decided to use these dispersents but I blame them more than anyone else.
BP learned their lesson hopefully about messing around in deep water. They should ban alcohol on these rigs too.
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PuSencer
This is a stick-up, our freedom or your life.
01:02 AM on 05/12/2010
huh, because the first one worked so well?
12:55 AM on 05/12/2010
They should pipe down some be bop to the BOP to get it shaking, and who knows what would break loose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGuKu071nZ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ7hfpGyLME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7oHKNC_pDU&feature=related

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rf dude
12:47 AM on 05/12/2010
First a contraption, now a top hat.

Needs more cowbell...
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MAX1
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outofstepper
C21H30O2
12:39 AM on 05/12/2010
I think that the reason it is taking so long to seal off this gusher is because they are trying to stop the oil without damaging the well so they can continue to pump oil out of there later.
12:45 AM on 05/12/2010
And yet, they're drilling two relief wells.
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rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
12:47 AM on 05/12/2010
I am sure that if they could plug this well tomorrow, they would. They simply can't.

They know where the formation is, they move off a few hundred yards, and sink another bore in to get the hydrocarbons. They just can't plug this well... And they are losing millions of dollars of high quality light sweet crude every day it gushes.
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outofstepper
C21H30O2
12:50 AM on 05/12/2010
I think I know how they could stop it . I just need to talk to someone that could tell me yea or nay.
12:27 AM on 05/12/2010
We just happen to be the modern slaves of the world. Class warfare has been with us since the big bang. Live with it , fight it and eat it, it isn't going to change over night or ever. Are we all having fun yet. WE ARE the bottom of the food chain. Sometimes we win a battle but we havn't won the war yet. It's not even our battle over the oil spill, The tycoons are blaming it on each other, we are not even in the picture except losing everything and maybe our lives too. No one wanted to mention Cheney's name at the hearings today. Or the 35M he got from Hal.
12:36 AM on 05/12/2010
We can never catch up to a real debate. Isn't it obvious where this is headed? We're going nuclear. One question is, where will they be built? People that are behind the new gentrification that's going to take in our cities should be called out on this.
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rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
12:49 AM on 05/12/2010
I think we can have commerical fusion reactors in less time, with less money, than a commerical fission plant can be constructed and put online.
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newworldman777
What would our future 7th generation think of us?
12:08 AM on 05/12/2010
Am I the only one who noticed that the disaster in the Gulf of "Mexico" occurred the same week that the right-wing loons in the Arizona legislature decided to pass their racist bill "legalizing" police harassment of its citizens of "Mexican" descent? Might be a stretch, but still...just sayin. Karma is a strange phenomenon that surrounds us all.
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rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
12:09 AM on 05/12/2010
Drill Baby Drill...
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newworldman777
What would our future 7th generation think of us?
12:21 AM on 05/12/2010
Drill, baby, drill...

Deregulate, baby, deregulate...

Take stupid chances at untested depths, baby, take stupid chances at untested depths...

Have no contingency plans, baby, have no contingency plans...

Oops, baby, oops...

Blame someone else, baby, blame someone else...

Make empty promises with legal mumbo-jumbo, baby, make empty promises with legal mumbo-jumbo...
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Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
12:28 AM on 05/12/2010
Are all of the rigs in the Gulf built the same as this, without the $500,000. shut off valve ?
11:43 PM on 05/11/2010
If they had just listened to me, the USS Ronald Reagan would be winning one for the Gipper right now. Imagine the Ronny in its oily grave at the bottom of the sea, its white, red, and blue thumb stuck in that nasty hole.

It would be morning in America all over again.
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rusane
My micro-bio is empty, cold and jaded.
11:44 PM on 05/11/2010
did you call the hotline? I think its a great idea!
11:49 PM on 05/11/2010
No I didn't bother. I heard BP won't listen to a genius.
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rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
11:43 PM on 05/11/2010
We have fusion in the lab, ready for commerical development.

http://www.emc2fusion.org

Lab ^ website - Front page has cost estimate and timeline - all empirical data, it's not theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell - Wiki has the project history, prototype series documetation.
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GeorgeMilquetoast
Striving for a mediocre amount of mediocrity
01:33 AM on 05/12/2010
Cute links. I am extremely skeptical.
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rusane
My micro-bio is empty, cold and jaded.
11:41 PM on 05/11/2010
US energy is supplied as follows: 40% Oil, 23% Coal, 23 % Nat. Gas, 8% Nuclear, 7% other.

In the last three months we have had an Oil Rig explode in the gulf, a coal mine explode in West Virginia and a Natural Gas plant explode in Connecticut.

Are we working down the list?
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Amalek
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01:53 AM on 05/12/2010
The Other is coming.
02:36 AM on 05/12/2010
Yep.
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03:32 AM on 05/12/2010
Yes, George HW Bush and Dan Quayle successfully deregulated industry and the Bush admin created a climate where anything goes. Now we have Ken Salazar giving BP a pass on environmental review and signing new leases *after* this spill happened.
If we build more nukes, we will have our very own Chernobyl, guaranteed.
Corporations are literally getting away with murder.
08:35 AM on 05/12/2010
That's what I think. Deregulation will have the same result with the nuke plants.
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Wolf Larsen
The Country You Want Back No Longer Exists
11:38 PM on 05/11/2010
Nothing like engineering on the fly. Wait for the disaster and then try and come up with a solution. I have heard engineers saying how difficult and unpredictable things are at 5000 feet.

Well if the situation is unpredictable you should realize the worse case scenario is just a matter of time and prepare for it. Constantly be improving your techniques and designing containment solutions in the case of a blowout is essential.

Also drilling at this depth is a relatively new procedure..... why not have a couple of test rigs and wells to fine tune your procedures. If this had been taken seriously years ago the damage today would be greatly decreased.

We have less than 3% of the world's oil reserves. No matter how many offshore wells we establish we will still have to import most of our oil to meet current demands. Offshore drilling should limited to existing wells with stringent inspections of all wells.

Deep water wells should be halted immediately until an extensive investigation can be completed and causes found on this disaster.

Corporations only care about production they don't care about disasters..... they always seem to find the necessary wiggle room to escape financial compensation.
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Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
11:58 PM on 05/11/2010
That is exactly what I have been saying.. It is just nuts to wait til the disaster ... Fanned.
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rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
11:30 PM on 05/11/2010
rusane: lets just hope the next "accident" isn't at a nuke plant
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The very first thing I did when I saw the news story about the drilling platform explosion was to research youtube for 2008 RNC convention video for the "Drill Baby Drill" chant.

Watching the speeches, I found out that the GOP energy plan includes deregulating the nuclear industry and fast tracking the construction of fission reactors.

Like every other Conservative policy, this too will end in a national disaster.
11:35 PM on 05/11/2010
That's my take on this. These oil barons are positioning themselves to go nuclear. Same crowd. They really don't care if they can stop this gusher or not.
imayes
Is that John Wayne? R U Me?
11:36 PM on 05/11/2010
Please make sure all nuke plants are built in Republican controlled states.
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rich misty
Greed is not Patriotism
11:38 PM on 05/11/2010
Fanned
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rusane
My micro-bio is empty, cold and jaded.
11:43 PM on 05/11/2010
or better yet, not at all.
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Juero
que pasa?
11:29 PM on 05/11/2010
An individual boater can face up to 15 years in prison and fines up to $500,000 for discharging oil into the waterway:

The criminal penalties range from:
• One to 15 years imprisonment and/or,
• Fines between $2,500 to $500,000.
• Civil penalties of up to $32,500 per incident can be
imposed for unlawful discharges (33 USC 1321).

So if a boater with a modest discharge of 50 gallons of oil or fuel faces these panalties, what should the officers and shareholders of BP, TransOcean and Halliburton face for millions of gallons of illegal oil discharge?
imayes
Is that John Wayne? R U Me?
11:37 PM on 05/11/2010
Unfortunately, boaters cannot afford "Congressional Pardon" insurance.
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11:26 PM on 05/11/2010
rich misty Favored Comment 3 minutes ago in Green
“Two major hydrocarbon disasters within a month (West Virginia coal mine, Gulf oil spill and leak). And a methane explosion was the cause in both cases, apparently. What is going on here?”
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The earth is f@rting and we are lighting matches.
11:23 PM on 05/11/2010
Hey West Coast readers, did you realize that ARCO is BP?
Please boycott ARCO.
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sheaintsayin
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11:34 PM on 05/11/2010
Yes, and believe me, with their inferior gas, I have not bought from them in years; it is not a problem to boycott them, and I feel the same way about Chevron.
11:38 PM on 05/11/2010
Yes, drive right by ARCO and pull into ExxonMobil. That'll fix 'em.
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PuSencer
This is a stick-up, our freedom or your life.
01:04 AM on 05/12/2010
hehe, choose your robberbaron