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LisaCACO
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01:14 AM on 06/01/2010
this is standard operating procedure for Brown. they really should just call in the Police and let them handle it, rather than keeping things "in house".
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Ralph Noyes
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01:15 AM on 06/01/2010
But their "proud alumni" don't agree with you, and I suppose you know what that means.
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LisaCACO
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01:31 AM on 06/01/2010
yeah. imagine, letting those common folk in providence up on the hill...

I'm an alum who is not so proud sometimes. also my family was painfully middle class so clearly, what do I know ;) ?
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Ralph Noyes
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01:32 AM on 06/01/2010
That's right. I've been called a racist.

The Race Card has officially been played.
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dennissinned
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01:10 AM on 06/01/2010
Hey, Duke Lacrosse just won the NCAA National Championship!
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goodmarina
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01:08 AM on 06/01/2010
The accuser's father, Richard Dresdale, is the co-founder and managing director of a 2.1 Billion private equity fund who made campaign contributions of 1.8 million in 2008. The accused comes from a humble background. He couldn't afford Ivy League education if not for his academic & athletic accomplishments.

Interesting - the expelled student's lawsuit states that the accuser and he dormed in the same building & Brown isn'tt disputing this. This changes the dynamics of the alleged victims accusation of him following her around.

If the school believes a student has been raped, then a crime has been commited. The police should be notified regardless not just for the protection of the student & student body but also to protect the rights of the accused.

When the administration handed this expelled student a plane ticket and told him he was suspended pending further investigation, it sure sounds like their minds were made up. Any later attempts at an investigation was a sham/show.

Also, why did the accusors father have ready access to the administrators? If this were an active investigation, one would think that the school knew to remain impartial. After all, the 'threat" had been removed.

My impression is that this was a rich vs. poor situation. Oober rich dad hiring Goliath lawyer to squash poor kid from Wisconsin.

Where is the physical evidence?

To Ruth Simmons: "your version of what happened is utter poppycock! Madam, you are no pioneer; you are a sell-out to the establishment"
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Ralph Noyes
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01:11 AM on 06/01/2010
Hear, Hear!

Ruth Simmons is pontificating, signifying, and rationalizing.
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Ralph Noyes
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01:14 AM on 06/01/2010
But ultimately, she will be giving swron testimony under oath.

And she can't weasel her way out of that with her big Anglo-Saxon words.
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roccekt
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01:07 AM on 06/01/2010
The truth always lies somewhere in the middle. There's probably responsibilty on both parts, everyone took the easy way out.
12:59 AM on 06/01/2010
So she says he raped her, he says he didn't. That's going to be the crux of the investigation. Without a rape kit being done, LEO's would be spinning their wheels on proving one side or the other.

He is mad because he is not graduating at an Ivy League school and it JUST hit him. Now he wants Brown to pay for his lack of Ivy League education. He should have fought it from the beginning with his attorney THEN. If he was innocent, he should have known there would not have been evidence that could stick; but apparently he knew that his behaviors made him look quite guilty.
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Ralph Noyes
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01:05 AM on 06/01/2010
Perhaps you're right, as a practical, commonsense matter (though Bucknell is very presitigous; I'm not sure this is about the Ivy League education or not. Most of the best schools in America are NOT Ivy League, BTW.)

But as a legal matter, if the statute of limitations has not run, Dr. Simmons has some serious
splainin' to do.

And she WILL, in depositions, in a court of law.
01:12 AM on 06/01/2010
It looks like Brown's position is they were respecting her wishes. I can guarantee all the answers will revolve around the theme of respecting the victim's wishes. And that actually becomes a very difficult argument to fight if the victim's accounts match that.
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Ralph Noyes
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01:09 AM on 06/01/2010
Bucknell is quite prestigious, as is Brown. There are many outstanding universities in this country that are not Ivy League. I'd say Ivy League is a somewhat tarnished brand these days anyway.

As a practical matter, perhaps he should ahve stood his ground and fought. Perhaps he did not have the money. Perhaps her family had TOO MUCH MONEY.

Either way, this should have been resolved through the legal process. And unless the statute of limitations on this has run, Dr. Simmons WILL have some 'splainin' to do -- in depositions and/or in a court of law.

She did not choose either proper alternative.
01:15 AM on 06/01/2010
Oh, I know Bucknell is a great school. But there has to be reason why this is coming up NOW for him, considering that he has a clean slate anyway. He brought up the issue, and I am thinking that is the main reason (or just plain greed).
layman
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12:55 AM on 06/01/2010
University officials at the top are just like corrupt politicians. They are influenced by money and power and connections, willing to bend the truth for political purpose, contrary to the stated / claimed mission of an institution of so called higher learning.
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libluv235
"conventionality is not morality"-Bronte
12:54 AM on 06/01/2010
Does anyone know the races of these students?
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Ralph Noyes
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12:57 AM on 06/01/2010
Wealthy alumni family vs Iowa guy -- both sound White to me. Just stereotyping.
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goodmarina
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01:10 AM on 06/01/2010
Both white.

Accuser - Rich kid with 2-billion dollar equity fund dad.

Accused - Poor kid from Wisconsin who never had a prayer.
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libluv235
"conventionality is not morality"-Bronte
12:50 AM on 06/01/2010
McCormick may have been wronged. Why else would he go to court? If he'd truly had committed a crime he would have kept quiet.
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Ralph Noyes
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12:54 AM on 06/01/2010
Either he is a rapist or else he was lynched by Brown University.

"For here we are not afraid to follow the truth, wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it".

Those words are engraved above MY Rotunda, and obviously NOT at Brown's.
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Ralph Noyes
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12:44 AM on 06/01/2010
frankcaprafan, her characterization of this as "utter poppycock" reflects her immunity and lack of accountability. Or -- she THINKS she is immune and unaccountable. She does NOT paint an attractive picture of an academic bureaucrat of ANY color.

In this case her being Black DOES enhance her ability to deflect the legitimate questions being raise.

Mustn't criticize her, or else you're a racist. She's just about saying that.
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jasev01
01:16 AM on 06/01/2010
No you are a racist because the first thing you went after was her race.
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goodmarina
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01:23 AM on 06/01/2010
@jasev01 - I disagree with you. Ms. Simmons is someone I looked up to for a very long time as the first black woman to head an Ivy League school. But her response is callous and "snooty" in non-ivy league terms.

I can see why @Ralph Noyes is saying what he is saying. He is saying that she acting just like the rest of the snooties who think they are above the fray and not accountable.

Sadly, there are many who will take a stance strictly based on race alone (on both sides) either due to political correctness or ignorance/bigotry.
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lmclaurin
01:26 AM on 06/01/2010
Nowhere does she come CLOSE to saying that. So what the hell is it these days; no matter what a black person says (or in this case has never said), you're still accused of "playing the race card"?
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jasev01
12:31 AM on 06/01/2010
As a very proud alum(first generation) just coming back from Brown and thinking back on my time there I can attest that Brown's processes are more than fair and they do everything for their students and alums. No one is "thrown under the bus," and the Brown family are the most fair nonelitists people you will ever meet. Everyone is welcomed in with open arms. To try to pain the school as some kind of elitist place than look down on nonlegacies or "outsiders" is epic nonsense. If he wanted to fight it he could have he choose not to, he choose to sign the private agreement and make this thing go away. If he felt he was innocent fight it, those "half truths" he must have felt were enough to prove his guilt. He does not deserve a dime. Maybe he shouldn't punch holes in walls, stalk girls and whatever else, then he won't have to worry about this type stuff.
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goodmarina
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12:42 AM on 06/01/2010
It is quite apparent that Brown University - for all its Ivy League brouhaha - has miserably failed in its attempts at teaching its students the basics of critical thinking that is just, fair & impartial.
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Ralph Noyes
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12:47 AM on 06/01/2010
Exactly.

Critical thinking is foreign to the PC worldview, just as much as it is foreign to the teabagger worldview..

And then people get up on their ENTITLEMENT pedestals and start talking down to people.
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jasev01
01:05 AM on 06/01/2010
I think that there are a lot of people who would disagree. I don't see what's unjust here being that both parties signed the contract and agreed to the situation.
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Ralph Noyes
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12:46 AM on 06/01/2010
If he was guilty of something, he should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

You can't just agree to leave and thereby avoid a criminal charge of rape.

It is not just the individuals, the university, or its president. The STATE has an interest in any allegation of criminal actrivity.

It is the DA's cas, not the victim's case. But Brown doesn't have a law school, so I guess you didn't learn about that.
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jasev01
01:14 AM on 06/01/2010
No I went to another big name law school. What I think you don't understand about Constitutional law is that private parties have the right to contract. What you don't understand about Contract law is that that private parties have the right to contract and sign nondisclosure agreements. And what you don't understand about criminal law particularly rape, you can't prosecute without an accuser. Being that the accuser refused to make an accusation to the DA or the police there is nothing to prosecute. The state does not have a complaint if there is no complaining witness. Are you plaining force her to make an accusation she doesn't want to? Or maybe force him to waive his 5th amendment right against self incrimination? And since when is it the job of the University to investigate crimes? I thought thats why we have police. I know the law you obviously don't. Yes you can, agree to nondisclosure it is a private agreement and both parties agreed to the consideration the deal is done. If he didn't like it he shouldn't have signed the paper.
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goodmarina
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01:16 AM on 06/01/2010
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dbrett480
12:20 AM on 06/01/2010
This seems incredibly shady and if a rapist was allowed to go without police investigation, much less prosecution, Brown University administrators committed a crime.
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Ralph Noyes
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12:48 AM on 06/01/2010
Yes, but some people here think the esteemed Dr. Simmons is not accountable to the law.

She's like the Pope, only with a suntan.
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t-boy42
01:26 AM on 06/01/2010
dude we get it she's black...
01:50 AM on 06/01/2010
fanned.. bullseye!
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jasev01
12:20 AM on 06/01/2010
Brown did nothing wrong, it was a private matter and it was handled privately. It was handled well; Brown did not want to ruin these young adults lives with lawsuits rape allegations and what ever else. His names was only put out because of him. What is better? Have his name drug through the mud only to be found innocent but still have that reputation? And what if he was guilty then what about the girl? Or be convicted of a crime that you didn't do? Then she got away with messing this kid's life up. The university set the parties down and got a mutual agreement that worked for both of them. They didn't ruin his life they let him withdraw and did not hurt his reputation. It was best the best way to handle it. If he wanted to go through the disciplinary process he was more than welcome and more than welcome to have the charges brought against him and go through the process he choose the other way now he wants money that's all. What a joke.
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Ralph Noyes
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12:22 AM on 06/01/2010
A CRIME was allegedly committed. A crime was alleged, a crime that was either committed or NOT committed.

You cannot make that a "private matter" by your say-so. He should have been prosecuted for rape or else exonerated.
12:33 AM on 06/01/2010
How do you prosecute for rape without the victim's consent? Would love to see that one unfold. Rape investigations are VERY intrusive, and almost always involves a thorough physical exam of the victim. Couple that with a victim having to rehash painful events, and it generally is in everyone's best interest to avoid trial.
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jasev01
12:37 AM on 06/01/2010
You know nothing about the law then. If there is no accuser, there is no crime. May times these type of things are handled privately, see Ben Roethlisberger. He made the choice, if he felt he was innocent he should have taken it to the disciplinary hearing. Further most of the BUPS (the university police) are also PPD, ( city police) or RIPD (state police) they would investigate not the university. They have no duty to report if the accuser does not what to report it or pursue it.

So yes you can make it a private matter.
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Samirah1368
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12:35 AM on 06/01/2010
jasev01--Brown did not want to ruin these young adults lives with lawsuits rape allegations

I take it you don't believe in the judicial system. If this boy/man raped this woman then he should be punished, if through a investigation it is found out that she fabricated the whole affair she should be punished. Rapist should ALWAYS be punished. False Accusers of rape should ALWAYS be punished but you don't know if you don't investigate
12:44 AM on 06/01/2010
You can almost NEVER prove that someone is a false accuser of rape. You might not have enough evidence to prove that someone was guilty, but that doesn't mean the accuser lied. Without physical evidence, rape investigations turn into nothing more than he said/she said.
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jasev01
01:02 AM on 06/01/2010
Brown is not the police. They don't investigate. The accuser chose not to prosecute. I believe Brown recognizes that there 18 years old like many other young people make mistakes that they should not have to pay for the rest of their lives especially when the matter can be handled privately and let both parties go forward to live productive lives. Brown protects its students and I respect that.
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Ralph Noyes
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12:15 AM on 06/01/2010
Tell me, then -- is she so wonderful and unassailale because she

!) Let a rape go unpunished?

2) Or did she orchestrate a lynching?

Those are the ONLY two possibilities, and both reflect VERY poorly on this woman.

A perfect PC idiot.
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Ralph Noyes
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11:31 PM on 05/31/2010
I read about this some months ago.

It was either a rape that went unpunished, or a lynching that went unpunished.

Either way Brown University is culpable.
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OliverTwist
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11:49 PM on 05/31/2010
Agree.

They are engaged in obstruction of justice one way or the other or maybe even both ways.

There should be criminal complaints against Brown officials.

Only privilege saves them.

Which, of course, is what this is all about.
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Ralph Noyes
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11:54 PM on 05/31/2010
A wealthy and powerful alumni family, and a president who is unaccountable for her conduct due to the color of her skin.

Either way an injustice has been done, That university president looks like no prize to me.

She did NOT do what was right -- let the LEGAL process determine the truth of the allegations and the culpability of anyone involved. She must think she's the Pope.