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Mackenzie9
07:22 AM on 06/11/2010
This whole piece is full of fantasy in exactly the same way a children's fairy tale is. I wish you could just see this with a detached eye and realise it's all make-believe. The priest came and confirmed that her fantasy was indeed real? How could he know? She had a weird dream. I'm extremely happy that my weird dreams aren't real.

It's this irrational conviction that only the very special, only the most favoured of god get these holy dreams and visions. And I know it's a comfort to you to think you're special, but seriously, why does god single out some people for suffering and others for visions? No, really, I'm curious. What possible motivation could any god have for deliberately making people suffer?

The answer, as always, is we can't possibly know the mind of god (Thomas Aquinas has a lot to answer for). Which is a blatant cop-out - and you know that.

The arrogance of the church is what's created the child abuse problem in the first place: priests who believed they had a right to the children, bishops who refused to see the evil and instead hid it because the priest was a 'man of god', and a pope who believes priests are the anointed ones, the only ones who matter in the eyes of god and so should be protected, no matter what they've done.

The church is only reacting because they're being forced into it.

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08:39 AM on 06/11/2010
It's a cop out to say you don't know the mind of God?
If one claimed to know the mind of God, couldn't you say that that is true arrogance?
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
01:06 PM on 06/11/2010
Yes, it's a cop out to claim to be the sole representative of God on earth and tell everyone what they are to believe about God and then "cop out" when confronted with a situation for which they have no answer. They can't have it both ways. It is the epitome of hypocrisy......but that's no surprise.
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Mackenzie9
07:57 PM on 06/11/2010
Yes, it's a cop out. Didn't god make man in his own image? Or did god make man in his own image - but deliberately left out the bit that would allow man to actually understand what god was on about?

If man cannot know the mind of god, why are so many going around claiming to? If god wanted to make sure we didn't misunderstand him, he would have made damned sure we could understand his mind.

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richdibo
Love the sin; hate the sinner.
03:52 AM on 06/11/2010
In the late 1600s . . .

Today we call that delusional psychosis - schizophrenia.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
03:45 AM on 06/11/2010
The continuing RCC abuse scandal reminds me of a book by Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong titled WHY CHRISTIANITY MUST CHANGE OR DIE. A past article by Rev Martin made the point that some aspects of the RCC must die before it can change: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-james-martin-sj/the-churchs-easter-what-n_b_524349.html
Perhaps one of the most significant things about the RCC that must die is its ubiquitous use of power words. Self aggrandizing titles of Father, Mother, Lord, Excellency, Holiness (god, what a joke), Papa, sheep, flock, have the effect, perhaps the design of making the average catholic feel "less than" while making the leadership feel "more than". The development of hubris and arrogance among the "more than" is self-fulfilling in such a power structured system. Words mean things and those words are clearly power mechanisms, designed to make the average members of the church feel like children who must be instructed and condescended to while making the Priests, Nuns and hierarchy feel like well, Fathers and Mothers and Masters. The hubris leads to blind self-righteousness, and the law-unto-themselves the hierarchy has become. The "simple, humble and poor....like Jesus" church that Rev Martin hopes to see cannot happen until the words are changed.

Of course, then it would no longer be the RCC. The Roman hierarchy is caught in a trap of it's own making.
12:00 PM on 06/11/2010
Perhaps that is the point. The RCC has to cease being the RCC and become the church of Christ again. The power structure is not the church in its fullest sense. The organization is outliving its purpose in the modern world. When organizations become the problem, then it is time to change. I pray, as a Catholic, that the hiearchical church will get the message, but even this scandal doesn't seem to have enlightened them.
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f0rTyLeGz
Everything is falling.
02:06 AM on 06/11/2010
When I read "Today Catholics mark the Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus," it sounds creepy. I know that you Catholics believe that wine "turns into" blood, and a wafer "turns into" the body of Jesus...and why anyone would think that eating that would be good for them beats me... but this "feast" of the heart of Jesus truly sounds ghoulish.
03:11 AM on 06/11/2010
BBQ fare?
09:05 PM on 06/11/2010
Try it and it will turn your life around. You can't imagine the peace and great gifts that come when you love the Sacred Heart of Jesus. It is a beautiful life with the Sacred Heart...
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f0rTyLeGz
Everything is falling.
11:14 PM on 06/11/2010
It's funny to me how true believers think that anyone can just up and choose to "love the sacred heart of Jesus." It makes no sense at all.
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10:50 PM on 06/10/2010
God believes it's important for the righteous to judge the wicked.
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Patricia Russell
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11:00 PM on 06/10/2010
"Judge not lest you be judged"

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I think you might be stuck in The Old Testament
03:25 AM on 06/11/2010
And you are totally righteous?
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07:55 PM on 06/10/2010
You have 'atheist and agnostic friends'? Who could that be?

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HeevenSteven
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09:50 PM on 06/10/2010
Other priests..
10:55 PM on 06/11/2010
The ones in it for the extra-curricular activity, especially.
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glorybe1929
07:26 PM on 06/10/2010
Has anyone ever thought about the Unpardonable Sin? The Sin Against the Holy Spirit? Well I have and the word that I get is; that this is exactly what the RCC has committed by allowing these priests, nuns etc., to delibertly groom these precious children and marginalized adults for their own pleasures. And when found out are forgiven in the confessional and then go on to continue to SPIRITUALLY MURDER MORE of God's children.
Some in the Institutions in Ireland, india, Canada, and throughout the Catholic world didn't even goom them they just did what they wanted to do and the hell with these out-casts.
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01:47 AM on 06/11/2010
How would you balance physical murder against the spiritual murder of children? This is an impossible question but your God had no problem with the former:

PS 137: 9 Happy will be the man who dashes your little ones against the stones.

JG 11:29-39 Jephthah sacrifices his beloved daughter, his only child, according to a vow he has made with the Lord.

LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your
children."

EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and "...

1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
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11:06 AM on 06/11/2010
Human history is a long process of growth, development and enlightenment. Those verses, so horrible to our modern and tender age, are part of a history that included human sacrifice to pagan gods...thousands of children...and other practices. Today we are learning about the intelligence of whales and dolphins, just as example...about ecology. Some future Trevand will read about our clumsy attempts at decency and enlightenment and be as horrified at us as you are about the Old Testament.
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William J Unverferth Sr
Snark attack.
08:47 AM on 06/11/2010
The "Sin Against the Holy Spirit" is mostly understood to be the denial of the ability of God to forgive your sins. As in "my sins are too horrible to be forgiven" so forgiveness is not sought. Narcissistic tendencies could easily lead to such a condition IMO and I have no doubt that it is often a concurrent condition. Again IMO I don't see your point as valid. Catholics do not hold to the idea of corporate or group sin. All sin is individual. Even when a sin is committed by two people in conspiracy the sin rests on each not on both together. Granted the organization went off in a very wrong direction and needed to be reset but there is no corporate sin.
11:20 AM on 06/11/2010
"There is no corporate sin"??

First, you are inaccurate to suggest you know what Catholics believe. Wishful thinking will work for those frustrated with the fact that Catholics are indeed, individuals and that goes for their thinking as well.

And it is ---not--- true that "Catholics do not hold to the idea of corporate or group sin". Pre-Vatican II thinking and, again, wishful thinking does not an accurate statement make.

There are "group" and "corporate" evils out there and if you cannot acknowledge that well, ot to repeat myself about wishful thinking, and if you are denying those collective evils, you've got an extremely narrow orientation to life itself, beginning with your own individualism where all begins and ends with you.

Narcissism personified.
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glorybe1929
06:31 PM on 06/10/2010
This is a very beautiful way to excuse and overlook what these narcisisitic priests and nuns have done. As far as I'm concerned that is a complete discription of the Roman Catholic Church. It's all about "them". Not just a few here and there but each and every one of them has an agenda that promotes their self asteem. One in 10 million gets to become a saint.

Elitest in every way, as they claim they are Representatives of Jesus Christ here on earth. No other Christian Church claims this... Why else would they make it an absolute, that you have to confess your sins to "them", rather than to God Almighty, when you are truly sorry for your sins.? They need to know the "going sins" so as how to address them in their intellectual sermans and also for fun in the evening listening to what they have recorded in the confessionals.

I know all about this as I am an 80 yr. old EX RC. My husband & I left in 2001, as we didn't wish to drive the "get-a-way car "in these "Crimes Against Humanity." any longer once this became a known way of life for these people..
06:55 PM on 06/10/2010
ok you're an EX RC - some of us current RC also loathe the crimes - including evidently, the writer of this article. It's not an article to excuse abusers, it's to show some dangerous types (narcissistic or pied piper personalities) who do not belong in ministry. This is all part of an effort to be sure children are safe. Then again the writer points to the heart of Jesus as to what persons do belong in ministry and around children.

Christopher Ruddy mentioned in this, who was down and dour -- he's trying, because of the heart of Jesus. That's what this article says to me. Christianity at its best is trying to love as Jesus did, to care for others as Jesus did.
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glorybe1929
07:13 PM on 06/10/2010
We, my husband and I , are very devoted to Jesus and the Truth that Christ speaks Biblically. You didn't read what I said; I know many priests and my sister in law was the superintendant of all the Dominican Schools throughout the world, when she was a young nun, very brillant She died at 70, heartbroken by what she found out she devoted her life to, was nothing more than a place for men to do whatever they wanted to do.
In 2001 We found out the same thing. Praise God for anyone who sees the LIGHT.
07:06 PM on 06/10/2010
You are an ex Roman Catholic so the church is evil, all priests are pedophiles, etc, etc.
The problem isn't you, it's everyone else.
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glorybe1929
07:29 PM on 06/10/2010
Your post does not make any sense. I am a devout believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Word. Not an institution that is run by the evil one.
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HeevenSteven
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10:04 PM on 06/10/2010
Not everyone else, just the church and authoritarian religions..