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03:56 PM on 09/10/2007
'The End of America'

With a nod toward Charles Dickens, may I ask if this is something that WILL happen or something that only CAN happen.

I have seen a couple of things today, during the Congressional hearings with General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker, that give hope.

While these two stenographers for the Cheney/Bush regime were doing their Keitel/Ribbentrop number, several patriots in the room were immediately forced out when they dutifully yelled "Liars, Liars, ...".

It's quite simple: if an overriding number of Americans believe this Parade of Prevarication and Sycophantic Toadying, the march toward the End of America will go on unabated.

If the patriots saying "Liars, Liars, ..." (one of which had a nephew killed in Anbar) are supported, then we just MIGHT salvage in this country what's left from this regime's rupturing load of DEBT and all the rest of its corruption and incompetence.
05:34 PM on 09/10/2007
Patriots?? I listened to the screeching and bellowing of the boors in the audience. Saw no trace of patriots, except the soldier speaking.

Your "patriots" should read the much touted First Ammendment: it speaks of the right of the people to *petition* their government shall not be denied (or words to that effect).

What part about the difference between rude screeching and submitting a respectfully written petition do you not understand?
09:29 PM on 09/10/2007
When screeching is the only way to petition, then screeching is petitioning.
02:00 PM on 09/10/2007
You're right, things were better under Clinton. It sucks that right around '95 Newt had an actual thought that maybe (at least in the short term) he could win elections by demonizing a who, whatever his personal faults, cared about nothing more than making America a place where men and women could grow up under freedom, living their life without interference by others, choose to get married, or not, choose to have kids, or not, and basically be happy, and otherwise have a good life.

I realized how deep the demonization of Clinton went the other day, talking to my brother-in-law, a 'devout' republican. Even though under Clinton he got a good, cheap education, a great job, and the ability to go to a job he loved while his wife stayed home and looked after the kids, and that since bushco took office he's lost money at his job, finally lost his job, can't get another one (he's been looking for 8+ months) even attempting to go out of state just to find someone willing to hire him, though his family has never lived more than 2 miles from where they currently live. In spite of all this, he STILL thinks that we're better off because "We've got a Christian in the White House!" I've tried to point out to him that bushco is not acting at all like a Christian, and that he was doing so much better under Clinton, but he won't listen to me about it...
It's just math
05:01 PM on 09/10/2007
Great anecdote about your brother in law.
He is a tribute to the Madison Avenue politics that have him and 25% of the country voting agains't their own best interest.
The irony is: abortion isn't illegal,and these Christian politicions haven't had their way with many, or any of these ideals.
01:01 PM on 09/12/2007
I like the anecdote too. It reminded me of an email forward I received once called "A Day in the Life of Joe Republican"... where you follow a Republican as he naively enjoys all of the fruits of past liberal causes (clean air and water, health care at his job, state-funded university, etc) and then at the end it reads:

"Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: 'We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.'"

Sidenote: I'd be careful about saying Clinton was on the side of marriage choice, seeing as he supported and signed the "Defense of Marriage Act", which is one of the main legal bedrocks upon which so much of the marriage discrimination today is built.