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11:17 PM on 09/13/2010
Did not even read the article---anything said by Woody Allen is a disgrace! He married his de-facto daughter ewwwwwwww!!!! He's in the same class as Roman Polanski.. sometimes in life there is Black, White, and shades of Grey.... there are no shades of Grey for Woody he is just gross and sick.
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SteveSFM
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01:15 AM on 09/14/2010
Please take your screen name's advice.
AlPal3
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10:59 PM on 09/13/2010
Good for you, Woody.
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MerrieWay
10:52 PM on 09/13/2010
HOW SHOCKING... GOSSIP! As if Woody fell off a turnip truck. His past indiscretions led to many fans blackballing him. Somehow marrying your adoptive daughter riveted a far more compelling reaction, than gossiping trite.
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Winthorpe
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01:36 AM on 09/14/2010
"HOW SHOCKING... GOSSIP!"

You mean, from you? He didn't marry his adoptive daughter, but don't let the facts get in the way of your story.
jusathot
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03:56 AM on 09/14/2010
He had a relationship with a child adopted by his girlfriend, and who was the older sister of his two adopted children with Mia, and the child that he and Mia had together. Is that better?
jusathot
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01:48 PM on 09/14/2010
You are defending him and insulting anyone who cites your same sources.
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MarcEdward
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10:30 PM on 09/13/2010
Meh I can't look at the guy.
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babybecks
"because I am involved in Mankind;"
10:07 PM on 09/13/2010
I really loved Vicky Cristina Barcelona. I'll wait to see the movie before I trash her. But if she's awful, let the trashing commence!
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racetoinfinity
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06:51 AM on 09/14/2010
This is silly. He said she has a small part.
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JenniferWest
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09:55 PM on 09/13/2010
Boy who new HP would incite such a smear campaign towards one of America's greatest film directors ever. Yes his relationship and subsequent marriage to his long time girlfriend's daughter seems morally murky, but I don't need to worry because I just watch his movies. I don't hang out with the guy. Besides Mia, besides being a great actress, is a bit eccentric. She was married to a much older Sinatra when she was quite young herself. I'm guessing most of the Woody Allen hecklers were never big fans of his anyways!
Woody once said of his relationship with his wife Soon Yi, The heart wants what the heart wants. And I just want to see Woody Allen making movies. Keep em coming! And don't worry about providing me with some example of ethics.
10:36 PM on 09/13/2010
Marrying your adopted daughter is a far stretch from marrying an older man.

Seems to me he produces, directs and acts in his own movies, because it's the only way he has been able to get any parts.
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Maddog51
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10:45 PM on 09/13/2010
She was not his adopted daughter. She was his girlfirend, Mia's, adopted daughter.
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11:18 PM on 09/13/2010
The heart wants what the heart wants--rallying cry for child molesters? Polanski, anyone?
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01:13 AM on 09/14/2010
No thanks. Polanski did wrong, knew he did wrong and admitted it in a plea bargain.He skipped out when the judge waffled on the deal--but he did wrong. The 60s were sex, drugs and rock n roll--but a 13-year-old is still a child. Even a precocious one.
Time has passed, the girl grew up fine and has forgiven him. But what he did is still wrong.
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SteveSFM
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01:19 AM on 09/14/2010
To be a child molester, don't you actually have to molest a child?
07:33 PM on 09/13/2010
I guess France still has to be our enemy and the rumors have to pay tribute to that. I mean they deserve it. They made a contract for oil with Saddam and when we went in to take the oil they did not help us to ruin one of their industries. - Bad, bad french.

Although this rumormogering is so childish it can only be from the right wing nuts.
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07:17 AM on 09/14/2010
The French Left hate her too. A biography is coming out that shows her depravity but also Sarko's. She's a courtesan at best.
08:09 AM on 09/15/2010
So You say lying about her is ok if the french do not like her?

Yes, that is the american way: freedom to take everyone else's freedom, no matter who they are.
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07:13 PM on 09/13/2010
KillgoreTrout43, you seem to have devoted your day to defending Mr. Allen, so i am addressing my comment to you. unfortunately, when you are in a relationship with someone for that many years, you are intimately involved in their life and the lives of their children... whether or not you share a home with them. while not having the official role of "father" to Ms. Farrow's brood, he was at minimum something of an "uncle" to them. i say that as someone who grew up with close family friends who i called "aunt" or "uncle" despite the fact that there was no blood shared between us. ask anyone who has ever adopted a child or was adopted... family is more about experience than genetics.

many sane, rational, and highly intelligent people object to Mr. Allen's behavior, and do not support his work in protest, in the same way that many of us do not support businesses whose ethics we find appalling. you are not a higher, more-evolved creature because you continue to watch his films. you (obviously) do not care that he is presently schtupping the daughter of the woman who was his lover for many years, and it is our prerogative to feel/think that way... but do not try to insult the rest of the humanity by assuming intellectual superiority above all who disagree with that position.
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scorpioman
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07:29 PM on 09/13/2010
maybe it was none of your business
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07:49 PM on 09/13/2010
first, of all... you're inserting yourself into the middle of a statement i aimed at a specific person, and telling my it's none of my business.

secondly... this is a discussion board. if you want people to keep their comments to themselves, buy a diary and share your thoughts there.

and, lastly... i am not standing outside of Mr. Allen's bedroom window holding a protest sign. i am electing not to spend MY money in support of him. how and where i spend my money is most definitely my business.
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10:34 PM on 09/13/2010
You have a point - it's not my business.
OTOH, I noticed with Tom Cruise, once he started talking about psychology or how there is no postpartum depression, it was hard to watch him in a film. Mr. Allen's behavior comes into play if, every time you see him in a film, you associate that with his private behavior.
Maybe if his films were to my taste I could overlook it, but any time I see him I get irritated. 
His brand sucks.
jusathot
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11:08 PM on 09/13/2010
They also had a child Satchel together--she was at least his baby mama.
08:27 AM on 09/14/2010
Soon-Yi was the SISTER of Woody & Mia's biological child. Woody is just plain CREEPY.
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06:04 PM on 09/13/2010
He should have hired Carla's sister Valeria who is an incredibly talented actress, and far sexier in my opinion. But hey Woody is a genius filmaker. The movie will probably be great no matter who is in it.
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LMPE
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05:25 PM on 09/13/2010
Complaints should center on Carla's husband's aim to deport Roma people, not on her.
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YankeeCanuck
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01:21 AM on 09/14/2010
Absolutely right on!
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KillgoreTrout43
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04:55 PM on 09/13/2010
GreenTea,

  Thanks for the civil reply. I am somewhat confused between biological and natural. Biological IS natural. I guess in your situation, you may need to use these different terms, I don't know. If it were me, I would downplay any distinction between the two, as much as possible and wait until they're old enough to understand. As long as they know that you love them equally, I don't think terminology is that important.
05:20 PM on 09/13/2010
Thank you, too. I agree with everything you just wrote, except for the difference between using the words "biological" and "natural".

Here's how it was explained in our pre-adoption classes. From the child's perspective, if you are not your parents' natural child, then you must be unnatural. Your relationship is unnatural. Or the mother & father are unnatural.

If you were relinquished by your birth parents & adopted into a new family - but this new relationship is "unnatural" - whose child are you? To whom do you belong?

My son is six years-old. He was born in Asia. We adore each other. We belong to each other. It feels as natural as can be. But he does struggle with feeling "different" from the rest of the family and we're trying to normalize his experience as much as possible (in myriad ways too detailed to go into here.) My point is that we've become sensitive to the fact that if he repeatedly hears that he's not our natural child, that can be hurtful.

The only reason to bring up adoption is if it's relevant to the story. It's unneccessary to say "adopted child" when the story is about a family's vacation, for example. (i.e. "Brad & Angelina are in Paris with daughter Shiloh & adopted son Pax"). The biological child gets to be simply their child, when it should be as simple as : they're in Paris with their children. Period.

Thanks for reading this overlong piece. Close to my
05:43 PM on 09/13/2010
Close to my heart, obviously.

For what its worth, apparently I had two points. 1. The language we use is important. 2. Adoption only needs mentioning if it's relevant to the story.

Another way of thinking about point #2 is that it's similar to referencing a person's race. Only need mention if it's relevant to the story. We don't constantly refer to kids as "biological" or "natural", but kids who are adopted sometimes have that label added to everything they do, even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

And in this case with Woody Allen, I really don't think Soon-Yi Previn being adopted does have anything to do with the topic. He wasn't her father through biology or adoption, but he was her mother's boyfriend during her childhood. And whether THAT'S moral isn't something I'm trying to debate.

Again - my sincere thanks for listening to my ideas. I do have a tendency to be wordy. That's why Twitter is not working out well for me : ) Best wishes...
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05:53 PM on 09/13/2010
Loved your post. I tell my adopted child that you don't have to share "DNA" to be related.

(Example man and wife). He is comforted with that idea. Some children are born of your soul, not of your flesh.
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Cowboylove
04:33 PM on 09/13/2010
I am sorry, but ever since he married his step daughter I have been done with him.
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KillgoreTrout43
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04:35 PM on 09/13/2010
She isn't his step-daughter. She was adopted by Mia Farrow and Andre Previn. Woody did not raise him. If that's the only thing you are concerned with, then you likely have no taste for good films.
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Cowboylove
04:41 PM on 09/13/2010
He had a common law marriage to Mia Farrow for 12 years and raised Soon Yi and acted as her father from the age of 6 until she was 18, and then began sleeping with her. This is a special kind of perversion that is unforgivable - sorry but it is what it is.

As for good films, those are all in his past. Only Annie Hall was truly great.
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07:20 PM on 09/13/2010
Well, that still pretty sick.
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06:52 PM on 09/13/2010
Allen never lived with Farrow and this lawyer can tell you that that means no state would consider them common law married.

Were the circumstances surrounding his and Soon-Yi's relationship a bit odd? Yes. But, they were both adults when they got together and have been married for many years.
Allen hasn't make a decent film since "Hannah" and even then, he was (and still is) the biggest narcissist in film anywhere. His dialogue and male leads are exactly the same in every film he makes. I used to like much of his work. Now, I find him unwatchable. I am embarrassed FOR him.
jusathot
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07:31 PM on 09/13/2010
Mia Farrow and Woody did live together--this change is the PR change. At the time it happened--I for one did not beieve he only became attracted when she turned 18. In any case, even if that were true--he met this child when she was under 10 and was her mother's boyfriend--she was his child.
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MarcEdward
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10:37 PM on 09/13/2010
I agree that his films are worse than his public image.
It's hard to identify with that particular protagonist that he plays every single film. 
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04:22 PM on 09/13/2010
I don't care who he married, it could have been a goldfish----What I do care about it that his movies have sucked as he is so happy with Soon Yi, that she seems to be his Anti-Muse.

His past movies all speak in the same repetitive voice ( and he makes the actors use it) -with the same tired of observations on art and his taste in Dixieland Jazz. I did like the one about Django Reinhardt, because represented an artist rather than his using his tired old expositional approach about art in his dialog-

just sayin"
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KillgoreTrout43
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04:23 PM on 09/13/2010
Different strokes. I have rarely seen one his movies that I did not like.
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katiek2o
09:54 PM on 09/13/2010
i think its a bunch of pretentious bs..
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chardonnay48
04:02 PM on 09/13/2010
I liked Hannah and her sisters very good movie. And that other one with Martin Landau that I am too lazy to google.
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04:16 PM on 09/13/2010
Crimes and Misdemeanors
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chardonnay48
04:52 PM on 09/13/2010
Thank You
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KillgoreTrout43
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04:24 PM on 09/13/2010
I loved the movie Hannah and Her Sisters. Woody's body of work is very impressive.
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05:18 PM on 09/13/2010
Hey Killgore - I liked Hannah and Her Sisters too.
Some of the comments here are alarming. I wish I would stop feeling stunned by the many narrow, biased, completely non-fact-based posts I read. I'm glad our thinking is compatible on this subject.

The Internet blogs and cable TV and talk radio have latched onto the lowest common denominator vibe and play it for all it's worth.
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mombabytiger
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07:44 PM on 09/13/2010
Which creepily included Soon-yi as one of the little children at Thanksgiving dinner.
03:52 PM on 09/13/2010
Woody Allen is someone who seems to like to hobnob with the rich, powerful and glitzy - like Andy Warhol, but maybe without the wit.
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04:19 PM on 09/13/2010
He is a well known artist--they tend to get to do that. Woody Allen was first a stand-up comedian with wit to burn. There is intellect behind his films, and humanity.
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KillgoreTrout43
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04:25 PM on 09/13/2010
Exactly.
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05:18 PM on 09/13/2010
Nicely stated.
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09:42 PM on 09/13/2010
you apparently know a lot about allen.