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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
04:45 PM on 10/15/2010
This is sad for the elderly and the disabled. No gas isn't $4 a gallon now, but that doesn't mean that food, groceries and medicine aren't more expensive than they were 2 yrs. ago.

$250 is better than nothing, if the Repubs don't block it like they do everything else.
01:30 AM on 10/16/2010
They don't take into account that prices might be stagnant but everything has gotten smaller in packages. So, in essence, you have to buy more to get what you got before. But they think most people are too dumb to notice.
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Geekboy
The GOTP does not compute!
04:37 PM on 10/15/2010
It's a double-edged sword.... no inflation, no COLA. I'm not seeing any evidence that the government is cheating people on this. Mostly, it's psychologically damaging, if one became accustomed to increases every year.
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04:51 PM on 10/15/2010
With the CPI down about 2% there is, actually, an increase in purchasing power. Even though the income stays the same, you can buy 2% more stuff with the same money than you could last year.

The COLA two years ago was an unusually high 5.8% caused by high gas prices. In the very next quarter, there was a significant drop in gas prices. Even with that, the COLA remained at 5.8%.

What this topic usually provokes is hundreds of anecdotal stories about this or that item going up year over year. What this fails to take into account is that other items have dropped.

The COLA is set by a formula based on CPI and it has been this way since 1973. There is nothing political about it.

SS is a system that has largely done what was intended for about 80 years. It is the most popular government program in history.
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phillyangel74
an enlightened and united America
04:32 PM on 10/15/2010
And yet a lot of the recipients of social security will vote republican...Angle Bachmann Beohner etc.
If you think it's bad now, wait until your 'hero's' get into office. God bless us all.
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
04:47 PM on 10/15/2010
philly,

Agreed! Classic example of people voting against their own self interests.
04:49 PM on 10/15/2010
exactly...not one of these seniors should gripe what will happen when repubs get in...these seniors dont listen very well to what these repubs are saying they want to do to SS...and what about shutting the government down which would not send anyyyyy ss checks out..yep DeMint wants to do this and Mitch McConnell is on board for it...so think twice seniors....
05:08 PM on 10/15/2010
Unfortunately, they will not think twice. They will go into the booth, look for the names with the (R), and vote for those people because thats what they have always done. No idea that they are likely voting for somebody that is going to go after their SS and Medicare.
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ThePlague
Programmer by day, vampire pundit by ni
04:04 PM on 10/15/2010
I know this sounds bad, but the Libertarian part of me sees these old fogies whining about their entitlements as reminiscent of spiders who eat their young. Where is this extra entitlement they demand coming from? From me, that's who. A basic social safety net for people 70 and above is one thing, for those who don't have savings of their own. But constantly increasing entitlements for people who often don't need it anyway simply steals from the young. It is not natural, and it is not fair. Nature herself abhors the constant demands of the elderly for more entitlements. This is not a popular opinion, but it is the fact. Senior citizens take what was a worthy idea, having a safety net for those seniors who actually needed it, into a constant demand for more money from tax payers to finance Bermuda vacations. That was not what social security was originally intended for. It is time to reform social security so that those who need the money, get the money, but those who don't, no longer get to steal from their own progeny. Popular? No. Factual? Yes.
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msgirlintn
Magnolia's mom!
04:42 PM on 10/15/2010
Plague,

"But constantly increasing entitlements for people who often don't need it anyway simply steals from the young."

So you have the nerve to say that people on Social Security don't need their money? I guess you didn't bother to read the article where the lady said she couldn't afford her medicine. I guess you don't care that the elderly and disabled pay into SS and they deserve to be able to buy food, keep a roof over their heads, pay their utitlities and be able to afford their medicine to keep them aalive.
01:34 AM on 10/16/2010
I pray that you will never have to live on just social security -- you know, anything could happen to you and you could be poor some day. I know many seniors and also am a senior. There is no way that I could afford a Bermuda vacation or any vacation for that matter. It's hard to get from month to month and thankfully so far have not had to do much in the line of medical -- just a little bit. I would say that maybe you would even have to take care of family or something some day but then you would probably put them out in the street;.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
03:53 PM on 10/15/2010
Congress Screws 58 Million Americans
By Jim Kirwan
10-13-10

The Congress of the United States went on overtime during the Columbus Day holiday to pass a piece of legislation that will block any increase in Social Security payments for 58 Million recipients in the coming year. The irony of doing this on a day that is a travesty in itself was masterful.

"Question: Why do we honor a man who, if he were alive today, would almost certainly be sitting on Death Row awaiting execution?
If you'd like to know the true story about Christopher Columbus, please read on. But I warn you, it's not for the faint of heart." (1)

'More than 58.7 million people rely on Social Security checks that average $1,072 monthly. It was the primary source of income for 64 percent of retirees who got benefits in 2008; one-third relied on Social Security for at least 90 percent of their income.'

rest of story: http://www.rense.com/general92/screws.htm
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Epiphany2b
Always waiting for the light to dawn
03:53 PM on 10/15/2010
Sign seen at rally:

Don't steal from Medicare to Support Socialized Medicine
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Changeizgood
03:54 PM on 10/15/2010
Pfft!!!
wtf?

totally loolubelle.
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Ron Craig
Veteran who votes
05:13 PM on 10/15/2010
now thats funny!
no matter what side of the aisle you come from!
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sarabono
Oldie but Goody
03:52 PM on 10/15/2010
I'm on SS. A $250 one time payment is just pandering. Just follow the damn law !
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03:36 PM on 10/15/2010
Didn't get one last year either. It would be GOOD NEWS if Congress passes the one-time $250 payment, though. Better to have $250 all at once, than measly $3 or $8 more per month.

Come on, Congress!! Do the right thing!
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Happylib
Don't take your dolly and go home
04:22 PM on 10/15/2010
You know, I am starting to move to the right on this topic because of the selfish people who want more, more, more while the whole country is struggling. BUCK UP and deal with some hardship like the rest of us. The elderly get $70 in benefits for every $1 they put in to SS and Medicare. I think that return is plenty. SS is a SUPPLEMENTAL retirement fund. It is not meant to fund the entire retirement of an individual.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." JFK
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04:59 PM on 10/15/2010
An error occurred when I posted my response to you and it ended up as a new comment. Maybe I can re-post it here where it was supposed to be:

Not everyone who receives one of the Social Security benefits is a "senior". Many SS recipients are seriously disabled and SSDI is their ONLY source of income. SSDI is extremely difficult to qualify for and the cases are reviewed every couple of years with a ton of paperwork on the recipient's part and gathering of medical records by the SS department.

You're excused for not knowing what you're talking about.
01:36 AM on 10/16/2010
In actuality, SS is an insurance policy for elderly citizens. You surely know what an insurance policy is, don't you?
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Christopher Hull
Democratic Socialist
03:15 PM on 10/15/2010
Every administration has cooked the books on inflation. The truth is we should probably DOUBLE Social Security payments to make up for the billions of dollars we have ripped these people off for.
Heck tax just the hedge fund manages who made more than one billion apeice last year and you could pay for the whole plan....
04:53 PM on 10/15/2010
when the SS fund was made part of the public fund during the Viet Nam war...so much money was taken from that fund...and it needs to be returnedddd....they had no business making it part of the public fund ... none whatsoever......
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philosopherkingtomas
03:08 PM on 10/15/2010
its gonna hurt their gambling !
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03:41 PM on 10/15/2010
Not funny. My parents go on those little bus trips to casinos once in a while. They get $10 credit and play the penny machines until the $10 runs out. Then they get a cheap lunch and a bus ride back home. It gets them out of the house once every few months.
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Northwestgirl
loves the full moon and stars
04:30 PM on 10/15/2010
We have a senior center here who does that. The ride costs a few $ but goes right back to the senior center. The driver drives for free. This pays for low cost meals for seniors etc.
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evalela
01:48 PM on 10/15/2010
Okay lets stop all cost of living raises for every government employee,then all of them who make more than the average median income in their states take a pay cut starting with Governers,Mayors Senators and Congress,then lets reduce their healthcare benefits and pension plans,that should balance the budget."STOP" cutting services that I've paid for and have earned by paying my taxes every year,I'm tired of paying more and getting less it's time the Government give up some thing,remember they work for me you the other way around!!!!!!!
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reviewingthesituation
Southern liberal feminist
03:48 PM on 10/15/2010
Are you including the military? They're government employees and they get a COLA too. Ditto for military retirees.
04:55 PM on 10/15/2010
wow well said my friend...well said...yep cut the seniors money but not the senators or congressmen...time for them to take a cut also...we pay muchhh more out for their huge salaries and benefits package for doing nothinggggggg . I mean come on Boehner goes on his golfing jaunts with his big time lobbyists and corpratists...what a joke.
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Papa Swamp
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01:45 PM on 10/15/2010
...inflation too slow (ex food and gas). Now for just food and gas, inflation is rising....you know those things most social sec. recipients need the most.

The reason for no COLA increase...the Trustee report will come out later that they were way off on their estimate (because they are basing everything on a 3-4% GDP growth). SNAP, SS UE and Medicare costs are all rising due to a declining employed to population ratio (now at 1983 levels).
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Dan1902
United we bargain,divided we beg!
01:44 PM on 10/15/2010
It's a shame that the Republican Trickle Down Swindle comes out of our elders pockets first!!
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03:10 PM on 10/15/2010
Nice try, but I don't think you can blame the republicans any more then you can blame the democrats for this one..the formula has been in place since 1975....perhaps we need to stop blaming eachother & start changing those things that we can all agree need changing.
04:57 PM on 10/15/2010
no the formula was started with FDR...but in 75 Johnson made it part of the public fund and the dems and repubs let it happen...they have took millions and millions from this fund...time to put it back and keep your damn hands off it.
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Dan1902
United we bargain,divided we beg!
07:21 PM on 10/15/2010
Keep drinking The Free Market Syndicaye's Koolaid S@P!!
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Matt Herren
"Human action is purposeful behavior."
04:29 PM on 10/15/2010
Not getting a raise does not equate to taking anything from anyone's pockets.
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Dan1902
United we bargain,divided we beg!
07:29 PM on 10/15/2010
I can see you conservatives don't want to "MAN UP" to your collective shortcoming of ME instead of embracing the altruistic attitude of WE!! There is plenty of money that could be going towards bettering our most vulnerable's lives,but the top 2% that might I remind you own 57% of this countries wealth are to GREEDY to think of anyone who teeters on the brink of calamity by coughing up some notion of I am my brothers keeper!! These people would probably call themselves Christians,I would call them Blasphemers!! Just Sayin'
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Edward Standley
opinionated jerk
01:28 PM on 10/15/2010
There's a sale on catfood down at the Woopie Mart.
01:40 AM on 10/16/2010
So go and buy some!
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LightShadow62
The answers are not found in the extremes
01:22 PM on 10/15/2010
By all means people, let's blame the current administration for process set up to determine the COLA in 1975. A process that everyone seamed OK with until it no longer gave them more money.
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01:40 PM on 10/15/2010
The idea of COLA is not at fault nor is it blamed.

The problem is that the CPI price calculation have been manipulated by the past several administrations to LOWER officially reported inflation.
Beginning with the Clinton administration, the CPI has been increasingly manipulated lower, thereby lowering ALL wages and pensions related to price increases.

The Obama administration continues the CPI farce,
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has continued the scam of collecting regressive SocSec income taxes and deceitfully using them as general revenue under the guise of creating a (non-existent) "fund",
and
now wants everybody, including SocSec recipients, to pay for the public ripoffs of bankster racketeers and endless war merchants.
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LightShadow62
The answers are not found in the extremes
01:54 PM on 10/15/2010
From what I have seen in both my personal and business expenses, prices have remained almost flat for the last couple of years and in some cases have actually dropped. So while you believe that the CPI is just another conspiracy, from what I see it isn't far of the mark.