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10:59 PM on 12/04/2010
The rest of the world is playing us for suckers with this whole climate change thing. The wealthy, mature countries like Japan and western EU members have economies that don't grow and so they will suffer less from Kyoto-style targets than we will.

The developing countries, China, India, others, still claim to be poor and will never slap themselves with carbon taxes or cap and trade. They will keep putting up new coal-fired plants and put out meaningless targets like: "We will reduce our carbon emissions per $GDP every year." Great... thats what every country does when it gets rich. $$$ increases faster than fuel needs, but fuel needs are still increasing.
The poor countries see global warming as the latest grift to take money from countries where people work for a living instead of standing with their hands out looking for charity. The U.S. is playing this one exactly right. Don't get suckered in.
06:39 AM on 12/06/2010
Never mind the science. Never mind the consequences. It is all about money, eh?
Why I hate capitalism.
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Malcolm Hensley
Last of the Reagan Republicans
03:30 PM on 12/06/2010
I think your point is no one is really serious about climate change except the small nations that might disappear! Survival often helps one focus. Guess no one feels they are in the cross hairs just yet!
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Badgersouth
08:18 PM on 12/04/2010
The human race is on a glide path to self-extinction and we have a President who's too busy with other matters to galvanize public opinion on the need to tackle climate change now.

Perhaps it's time to organize a real (not a virtual) march on Washington to demand that the President use his bully-pulpit to educate Americans about the reality of climate change.
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
03:19 AM on 12/05/2010
If only he took the time to explain climate change policy as well as he has health care insurance reform.
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worker beenumbed
07:54 PM on 12/04/2010
Tax the 30000 merchant ships based on tonnage of displacement only.Regardless of distance traveled.Paid one time per year.Tax dodgers do not get unloaded.Use the revenue for a payroll reduction.I read last years gop report on ships .Lots of attention on hull effeciency which the owners want anyway
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worker beenumbed
07:41 PM on 12/04/2010
Obama could appoint a commission to write a constitutional amendment .The amendment would allow Congress to limit campaign spending and allow only live people to contribute and limit the length of campaigns.Right now carbon emitters are winning .of course.
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
05:21 PM on 12/04/2010
Yup. The US is playing a highly destructive role and will not be remembered kindly for it. And it's not new, even if Bush upped the ante. Even Al Gore, who strong-armed Europe into accepting cap-and-trade (instead of the more rigid caps Europe wanted), played the tease game: he probably knew quite well that the US, having watered down Kyoto, would not sign anyway. Clinton certainly did know.

Of course this was peanuts compared to what was to come, and what is happening even now under Obama.
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nellre
growth is not sustainable
04:42 PM on 12/04/2010
I think we need to get MSM involved... If they saw the real potential for the story of the end of the world don't you think they'd cover it?
05:08 PM on 12/04/2010
We need a dramatic big budget movie with a huge publicity budget, along the lines of Avatar, but realistically depicting climate change in 2050 (floods, droughts, food shortages, rising coastlines, displaced millions, tens of thousands dying of heat exposure, etc). Starring Leo DiCaprio playing Bill McKibben, as the last man on earth. He could stand atop a mountain and scream "I told you so". Maybe the MSM would finally get it. They don't listen to scientists, but maybe they would listen to Hollywood?

We certainly need people to start paying attention. How about a billboards around the country saying things like "DO SOMETHING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE OR WE'LL ALL BE DEAD IN 40 YEARS". I'm sure a P.R. company could come up with a clever campaign.
06:46 PM on 12/04/2010
Yes - we could all use another good science fiction movie.....
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myth buster
12:11 AM on 12/05/2010
A billboard like that will be laughed at, rather than obeyed.
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
05:22 PM on 12/04/2010
Only if people want to know. They don't.
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fiddler3
physicist, musician, parent
02:11 PM on 12/04/2010
Could we use that $2B to fund a bit more of an extension of unemployment benefits for American workers?
01:32 PM on 12/04/2010
"And the deeper bottom line: if we actually want to stop global warming, then we have to build a movement big enough to force change. Otherwise we're suckers too."

This is true, and not only true regarding climate change. "We have to build a movement big enough to force change"--yes: somewhere between the civil rights struggle here and the French Revolution. We get French Revolution on these corporatists, and we'll get some changes done.
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Malcolm Hensley
Last of the Reagan Republicans
03:23 PM on 12/06/2010
How many liberal environmentalist do you know that own firearms? How many Republicans? Came up with the same odds myself!!! We need a better sales pitch!
01:26 PM on 12/04/2010
It was actually not the foreign minister of one island nation faced with sea level rise but the Ambassador to US from that island nation who asked for 50 million dollars and said other nations would realise "the advantages to be gained by compliance" with the accord.
12:53 PM on 12/04/2010
" They sent a letter to Secretary of State Clinton demanding that she freeze the relatively small sum of climate aid we'd already pledged--less than $2 billion next year. They were, they said, opposed to the deal Obama struck last year which would "transfer billions of US taxpayer dollars to developing nations in the name of climate change."

At least we have some sane people in the senate!