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01:48 PM on 03/16/2011
Read it carefully. I bet that Mormon illegal aliens gat a free pass.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
02:00 PM on 03/16/2011
What type of lawyer are you?
02:12 PM on 03/16/2011
A very poor one
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Weeweed Up
Republicans don't care
02:02 PM on 03/16/2011
Where are they from, Andy? Mormonland?
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alongst
too often denied to speak
02:34 PM on 03/16/2011
Kenya
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me again
Slapping down stupidity at every turn
01:47 PM on 03/16/2011
Another legislature and governor with debt, now wasting their taxpayers dollars attempting to fight an unconstitutional law in court.
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
01:58 PM on 03/16/2011
46 out 50 legislatures and governors with debt
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me again
Slapping down stupidity at every turn
09:16 PM on 03/16/2011
Written by white males, look at the make-up of their legislators in the State. This is pure politics.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
02:02 PM on 03/16/2011
More and more it is looking like D.C. is unconstitutional for abdicating it's US Constitutional duties
 
11.2 million illegal aliens in the USA today is the evidence
and
DHS and Census have admitted that they concur with that number
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me again
Slapping down stupidity at every turn
09:15 PM on 03/16/2011
Let's talk about Utah specifically. Here are the hard numbers from the 2010 census, 81.2% caucasian compared to 65.1% throughout the rest of the Country. 12.3% Latino compared to 15.8% throughout the rest of the Country, 1.4% black as compared to 12.9% of the Country. They are not a border state, they really had no reason to do this except as a political act by conservatives. This is a law written by a bunch of conservative white males.
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
01:44 PM on 03/16/2011
Is this the "smaller government" that the Tea Party has been talking about?  Why does it look like bigger government?
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
01:56 PM on 03/16/2011
Which party do you represent?
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
02:09 PM on 03/16/2011
I haven't been chosen to represent either party.  I speak as an American who wants our state and federal governments to stop wasting my tax dollars on political theater.
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TurnSeiki
Black Conservative
01:36 PM on 03/16/2011
Guess which Utah governor WOULDN'T have signed this bill? You guessed it; Governor Huntsman. So, no, Huntsman would have a hard time winning his home state of Utah. But, Governor Herbert will be re-elected. Just like Jan Brewer. You people on the East coast worry about your problems (unions) and we'll worry about ours (illegals).
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01:45 PM on 03/16/2011
No, we will all worry about each others problems, remember we are a union and not sovereignty.

We all abide one document called the US Constitution and the illegal immigrants will respect that document so long as they're in this country which the majority of them do.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
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01:59 PM on 03/16/2011
Incorrect
 
1) We are sovereign under a US Constitution
 
2) Illegal immigrants do not have a US Constitutional right to be admitted entrance to the USA
 
Cite where you are reading that the USA is not sovereign?
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
02:17 PM on 03/16/2011
Respectfully, I assert that illegal foreign nationals entering the USA w/o authorization by the U.S. Gov't is not only breaking a Federal Immigration Law.

But, it is just the beginning of breaking a series of existing Federal / State laws

Case in Point ~

-> Not registering & being finger printed with the U.S. Gov't within 30 days of arrival into the USA

-> Not carrying U.S. registration papers on your person at all times for foreign nationals over the age 18 years of age

-> Defrauding a U.S. Employer & the U.S. Gov't as to U.S. citizenship status

-> Fraudulent I.D. documents in which to obtain illegal employment. i.e. driver's license(s), SSN card(s), & H1B visas

-> Operating a motor vechicle w/o a valid driver's license in all states except New Mexico, Utah & Washington

Just to name a few

Disingenuious ~ to say "most" illegal foreign nationals are law abiding once they have entered the USA ~ it's just the beginning of continual law breaking necessary in "living a lie".

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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
01:46 PM on 03/16/2011
We'll let you worry about "your problems" when you start paying as much in federal taxes as you take in.  Deal?
02:13 PM on 03/16/2011
agreed ... blue states pay more in taxes than red states
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TurnSeiki
Black Conservative
02:16 PM on 03/16/2011
How about you ask the fed to quit turning all of our land into STATE PARKS!
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bradenton
01:35 PM on 03/16/2011
Who would want to live in Utah anyway?
02:45 PM on 03/16/2011
It's a beautiful state, ( I visited every summer as a kid), and even though half my extended LDS family live there, I won't ever visit there again.
NOT ONE DAY
NOT ONE DIME.
Prop 8 and this xenophobia makes the most scenic state UGLY
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cascot
"I don't want to live my life being a color." MJ
03:06 PM on 03/16/2011
GREAT!! Then "the MOST scenic state" will be less crowded when I visit there--I'll be sure to spend the money you would have spent + mine! lol
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
05:15 PM on 03/16/2011
The last three men killed in the U.S. by a firing squad wanted to live there.  I guess that's saying something, though I don't know if it's really favorable for Utah.
01:26 PM on 03/16/2011
This action is what's needed in many states, mine included. We simply cannot open the door to the whole world without knowing who is here, not in these days and times. In many ways that's unfortunate, yet it is what's necessary. Our natural resources will not sustain this amount of people, and water will be the big wars of the future. (The Ogallala Acquifer beneath my feet was once thought to be endless; it is running dangerously low now.) It's the same story every place you talk about natural resources.

Bottom line: people who sneak into this country have no right to stay here. Those in line should get the nod, not those who begin their lives here by breaking our laws.
02:18 PM on 03/16/2011
I hope your logic applies to everyone.... including the pilgrims
01:23 PM on 03/16/2011
Interesting that there are no "this doesn't seem very Christian-like" comments about the Mormon state.
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
01:38 PM on 03/16/2011
Perhaps it's because the real Christians are the ones criticizing this bill.
 
At the very least, the Catholic Bishop of Salt Lake City has called these bills "ill-advised".
 
http://www.icatholic.org/article/bishop-wester-responds-to-signing-of-four-utah-immigration-245961
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alterego55
Resident tea grinder.
01:50 PM on 03/16/2011
The Hispanic community is saving the Catholic Church from being almost irrelevant in the US. That is why the Catholic Church is in favor of illegal immigrants.
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EndRacismNow
Advocatus Diaboli
01:56 PM on 03/16/2011
American Catholic bishops want more Catholics in their pews giving church donations. They could care less about the negative aspects to the culture and economy that comes with unfettered illegal immigration.
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01:39 PM on 03/16/2011
....becasue It isn't and we already know that and besides, any state touting a potentially (unconstitutional) immigration bill like Arizona's already raises serious flags.

In some ways this bill does go against Mormon fundamentalism since they do have sects in northern Mexico.....hmmmm.
01:20 PM on 03/16/2011
No one gets a job in Utah without showing your birth certificate and your copy of the Book of Mormon.
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alongst
too often denied to speak
02:38 PM on 03/16/2011
religious bigotry...
03:28 PM on 03/16/2011
It has noting to do with religion. It has to do with the intolerance of the politicians in Utah and their racist political views and their exclusive policies that are only self-serving. Ask people that are not Mormon who live in Utah and they will tell you that they are treated differently because they aren't Mormons as well. Now the politicians are targeting Mexicans. This is racism, pure and simple.
02:48 PM on 03/16/2011
close,
 the social and business networking make it almost intollerable  to be other than Mormon there. TWO of my cousins of mixed Catholic/Mormon parents, who were raised Catholics, BOTH converted to LDS as adults, just because dating is so limited for non Mormons.
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BillOlson
Fiscal Conservative - Social Liberal
01:20 PM on 03/16/2011
I'm all for legal immigration... you come to the U.S. you get a valid social security number and pay tax on the income you earn. If businesses stoped hiring undocumented immigrants without valid social security numbers there would be less of a reason to come here. Furthermore, hospitals shouldn't be required to treat illegals... if you aren't insured or aren't able to pay for your treatment too bad. I don't get free medical treatment when I travel in foreign countries. If you commit a crime, you get sent back to the country to came from. This country is a great nation in part because of immigration... LEGAL immigration. If you want to stay, you do what is necessary to become a documented immigrant or U.S. Citizen.
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
01:39 PM on 03/16/2011
Very well, Mr. Olson.  Then you won't mind being detained indefinitely by Utah police as they try to get someone in the federal government to verify your immigration status, because "Bill Olson" sounds like a Canadian name and your driver's license photo doesn't look quite like you.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
02:08 PM on 03/16/2011
Are you taking about a violation of Terry Stop laws?
Are you talking about a violation of stop and identify laws?
or
Are you talking about when someone has been lawfully arrested?
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BillOlson
Fiscal Conservative - Social Liberal
04:49 PM on 03/16/2011
No, dancingstu, I won't mind. I carry a U.S. passport which verifies my citizenship. Thanks.
02:26 PM on 03/16/2011
the bigots usually start with i am all for Legal immigration or i have a black friend or my great uncle was Polish so i can say this......if you aren't insured or aren't able to pay for your treatment too bad...do you apply this just to undocumented people or all the peeps on welfare? if so your saying only when you have insurance [ working years ] should you be allowed to go to the doctor?
this country is a great nation because of LEGAL immigration??? really what part of legal were the pilgrims??
what part of legal were all the whites that invaded mexican california?
03:33 PM on 03/16/2011
Agreed! "I'm not racist but..." Stop there! You're a racist.
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BillOlson
Fiscal Conservative - Social Liberal
04:47 PM on 03/16/2011
You're calling me a bigot? That's rich... LOL And yes, I don't believe my tax dollars and increased insurance premiums should go to pay for medical bills of non U.S. Citizens. If you are an uninsured U.S. Citizen, that is completely a different matter!
01:19 PM on 03/16/2011
If the current laws were actively enforced on the employers and the illegals by the fed gov, the states would not have to pass their own.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
01:33 PM on 03/16/2011
Exactly
 
Abdication of Federal Goverment of doing the job they were sent to D.C. to do
 
F & F
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
01:40 PM on 03/16/2011
Of course it doesn't matter that enforcement has increased since Dubya left office.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
02:09 PM on 03/16/2011
I don't see twhat you just posted reflected here
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=133
 
That chart and the supporting documents indicate it was because of the Great Recession, not because of what you just posted
02:21 PM on 03/16/2011
That's debunked liberal propaganda. Just like with the healthcare bill obama used a bunch of funny math to confuse his worshippers.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/12/07/ice_took_extra_steps_to_best_deportation_record/

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/dhs-corrects-report-that-overs.html
01:19 PM on 03/16/2011
This law is not like Arizona's law.
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mrpotatohead
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06:50 PM on 03/21/2011
Thanks for clarifying that.
01:18 PM on 03/16/2011
Congrats to Utah. Looking forward to seeing more states step up and pass laws like this, its long over due
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
01:41 PM on 03/16/2011
It should provide lots of work for attorneys filing civil rights lawsuits against the State of Utah.  That's the GOP solution to the recession?
02:27 PM on 03/16/2011
i hope all fruits and vegetables go up 50%
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stellaannfred
We're The Fa-cowee
01:07 PM on 03/16/2011
He doesn't look too happy, though. He looks as though the lights just went on for last call and he hasn't yet realized his car keys are missing.
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glddraco
01:06 PM on 03/16/2011
I bet this bill has exceptions such as maids and stuff much like Texas's new bill.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
01:27 PM on 03/16/2011
I have to tell you...
 
I do not agree with bills that make exceptions.
I believe it is hypocritical to make exceptions of the nature you cite
01:05 PM on 03/16/2011
Colorado, Montana, Nevada and many states will follow. California will be the last state to do so or never
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
01:17 PM on 03/16/2011
Point of correction ~

Colorado is considered to have the second toughest illegal immigration laws, behind Arizona
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
01:29 PM on 03/16/2011
Don't forget Missouri
They did theirs before Arizona or Colorado
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HighDesertBob
S.A.C., the real Air Force.
01:46 PM on 03/16/2011
Nevada will talk about it but won't pass anything. The gaming industry (hotels and casinos) rely too heavily on immigrants for their work force.