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methnkng
02:54 PM on 06/02/2011
Funny, these companies who are so supportive of illegal immigration (and the profits they make off of cheap illegal labor) are no shows when it comes to paying the costs of illegal immigration.. that they shove off on the American working and middle class.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
03:23 PM on 06/02/2011
This we will run short of workers is about as bogus as one can get. There are around 125K new young people comming on to the job market every month. College high school greduates etc. At present they are out of luck, the jobs are already taken by those who have no right to them, those who shouldn't even be here.
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TggerJen
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03:38 PM on 06/02/2011
The only reason most companies are exploiting those here illegally as workers is BECAUSE they can pass all the costs off on to working Americans. If we started putting all the true total costs on them they'd be supporting rigorous law enforcement about 10 seconds after the true total costs started to hit them.
02:36 PM on 06/02/2011
The claim that Illegal Immigrants do not compete with Americans for jobs is pre fallacy. Per the Bureau of Labor Statistics Unemployment Report of May 6, 2011:

Construction and extraction occupations = 17.1% Unemployment
Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations = 19.3% Unemployment
Production occupations = 11.7% Unemployment
Transportation, material moving occupations = 12.0% Unemployment
Service occupations = 9.6% Unemployment

Pew Center estimates indicate 7.5 million Illegal Immigrants work in the USA with the majority employed in agriculture, office and house cleaning, construction, and food preparation. These professions are where the worst unemployment is for us Americans, with over 13.7 million unemployed. And if you consider that the above unemployment rates do not include 6.5 million “Persons who want a job but have not looked for employment in the last four weeks” the real unemployment rates for the occupations above are actually 48% larger.

Meanwhile Management, professional, and related occupations where few Illegal Immigrants work have a 4.0% Unemployment rate. The claim that the US needs Illegal Immigrant Workers does match reality.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
08:45 AM on 06/03/2011
Great post Norski.
02:26 PM on 06/02/2011
The dire prophecy of "an aging workforce means we will run short of workers" is pure myth here in the USA. According to the US Census Bureau there were 307 million people living in the USA in 2009. Per the US Bureau of Labor Statistics in 2009 there were:

People age 65 and over = 38 million
People age 45 to 64 = 79 million (Baby Boomers)
People age 25 to 44 = 81 million
People age 16 to 24 = 38 million
People age 0 to 15 = 71 million

Note that since there are 109 million people in the USA age 24 and younger that means for People age 5 to 24 a good estimate of the number of people in this age group is 91 million people. Thus for each 20 year age group YOUNGER than the Baby Boomers there already are MILLIONS more people than there is in the Baby Boom generation. More retirees - yes, fewer workers - no.

Data Source:
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/lf/aat3.txt
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01:50 PM on 06/02/2011
Figures, a Law Professor from California does not know the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. These are not anti-immigration bills, they are illegal immigration bills. Amazing how they infect the lefts thinking.
Just shows you need not be smart to be a Law professor in California. If he could possibly tell the difference, which I doubt, he would have written this article with an educated, intellectual view and not a blind view.
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TraceyES
02:45 PM on 06/02/2011
Excuse me...passing a bill denying birthright citizenship to the children of immigrants -- legal Americans according to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States -- is NOT targeting illegal immigrants. It's targeting Americans. The author of the piece isn't the one with the reading comprehension problem. Now you want to try again?
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03:25 PM on 06/02/2011
I will go slower this time. A legal immigrant is just that, legal, birth in this country makes them a citizen. The thing you lefties seem blind to is that provision in the 14th should not be extended to illegal immigrants. Does that clear the air for you.

No one is anti-immigrant like the left media want you to believe, those are lines to get you fired up and it works. What they are against is illegal immigration, but whats the difference if you believe the BS from the left.

Would you like to try again?
04:07 PM on 06/02/2011
The only reason the 14th amendent needs to be changed is after said illegal immigrants has the new American citizen child, is the government does not then take the illegal immigrant parent and deport them. That means the illegal immigrant parent stays in this country until the child turns 18, not counting how many other children she has in the meantime. So she could end up being in this country 30 years or more after breaking the law. The government should take the child and place it in foster care to be raised as a American and deport the parent, or the parent acting as the childs guardian renounce the childs citizenship so she could take the child back with her.
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TucsonEd
03:13 PM on 06/02/2011
The Chamber Of Commerce, Republicans, challenged this bill. NOT the workers of the state.
Don't try to blame this crap on the left.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
06:27 PM on 06/02/2011
Look it up the Obama admin filed a breif supporting the suit to get it stopped, try again.
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wigglwagons
01:42 PM on 06/02/2011
"Eliminating the undocumented workforce without providing an avenue for their labor to be utilized in the United States would have devastating economic consequences throughout the country."

That is just double talk saying that even though we have about 30 million legal residents looking for work we still need another amnesty for 20 million or so illegal aliens.

"We need to see migrants as human beings first and then formulate a policy to protect their human and labor rights, along with those of other working people in this country."

That is just more of the same old propaganda saying that we need to make them legal residents and when we have completed that task we will give their jobs to the next wave of illegal aliens. Apparently this author does not really believe in labor rights or he would not be advocating that we give the jobs of current legal residents to the illegal aliens.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
01:41 PM on 06/02/2011
Not being sure what the criteria for posting here today. Are you waiting for more pro illegals to arrive, or just refusing posts and/or replies that you don't aggree with even though no site rules are violated?
02:45 PM on 06/02/2011
You've got that right. I'm close to deciding I'll stop coming here and deprive them of the little bit of traffic I provide. Clearly these folks just like to talk to themselves. Maybe Huff Post is a religion, not a forum for serious discussion. That's why so many of their posts are just attaboys and me too's with an occasional diatribe against anyone who disagrees with them.
01:11 PM on 06/02/2011
It was Lenin, I think, who said "If you hanged all the capitalists in the world, there would be somone bidding on the rope contract".

Business interests play this role with respect to illegal immigration. Step 1: They are complicit in an invasion by illegal aliens, building business models around their labor and providing employment. Step 2: They wake up to them being a big market and, being good market oriented entities, they start marketing to them. Step 3: When anyone tries to get the problem under control, they actively resist any effort because they fear loss of the workers and the markets they represent.

Yes, the US needs immigrants. It needs immigrants who come in legally and who have been selected. We shouldn't tolerate illegal immigrants and employers who encourage their illegal entry. And we cannot give amnesty to the millions already here because doing so will undercut the rule of law and the effectiveness of any immigration system forever.
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JohnnyRivers
Promoting Red State Secession
01:00 PM on 06/02/2011
KEEP THE ARIZONA BOYCOTT STRONG...
Help make hate bad for business.
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01:54 PM on 06/02/2011
Just like it is for America.
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TggerJen
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04:03 PM on 06/02/2011
Well, the recession is taking its toll here just like everywhere and future bookings are coming in slowly (apparently more slowly than expected), but the Arizona Republic is reporting today that 2011 is a "Strong summer for conventions" here in Phoenix; the exact quote is "This summer of 2011 is going to be our best on record" (according to the director of the Phoenix Convention Center). "Records show the center's revenue has increased 46 percent in the past two years...." Of course, that's just the Convention Center, and it's just the hottest and most uncomfortable time of year, and we'll have to wait and see what happens it the future. I think this is going to get interesting. Maryland passed a law recently giving foreign nationals here illegally in-state tuition rates at the expense of the taxpayers there. There's a petition drive going on to repeal the law. They had to have nearly 20,000 signatures by May 31 and need nearly 57,000 by the end of June. According to published reports, they've already got nearly 60,000 signatures and are trying for 100,000 by the end of June so that they'll have plenty when some are thrown out for inaccuracies. Such a blue state and such a reaction to freebies for those here illegally. Hmmm, it's going to get even more interesting soon, especially if more states pass employer sanctions laws that cut off jobs and punish employers.
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Lisette53
I am the 99%
05:53 PM on 06/02/2011
Ever notice how Phoenix always lies about how high the temperatures are too?
06:42 PM on 06/02/2011
Only if Congress and the Senate pass a bill to fund inspectors who will actually go to businesses and check the status of their employees.
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hjo4
On the fence about Obama nowadays
12:57 PM on 06/02/2011
They aren't undocumented workers but illegal aliens who have no legal standing to be in the USA. We do not have to do anything but provide transportation for their return to their country of origin. I agree that employers should be first fined, then placed in prison and lastly lose their business license or business for hiring illegal aliens.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
01:21 PM on 06/02/2011
And send a bill to the illegal employers for the cost of the trip back accross the border.
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JohnnyRivers
Promoting Red State Secession
01:43 PM on 06/02/2011
Good... You are sane. You understand that allowing ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS to operate illegally is the problem.
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TggerJen
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04:06 PM on 06/02/2011
It's part of the problem. The fact is that no business can hire any dishonest foreign nationals here in the US until the dishonest foreign nationals break the law and come here illegally. They are all responsible for their dishonest and lawbreaking actions and it's time to start holding them all accountable by enforcing our laws routinely and rigorously.
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Lisette53
I am the 99%
05:40 PM on 06/02/2011
If the employer knows they are illegal.
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repetter
12:41 PM on 06/02/2011
The problem with this notion of suspending a business license is that it touches so little of the problem. How many homeowners hiring gardeners, cooks or nannies have a business license to be suspended? How many small farmers using illegals as pickers, how many small construction companies need such a license to operate? Does a small local hair salon or nail salon need such a license (not sure)?
To prove the lack of any real sting, the legislation does not enable fines, which might hurt all those I've mentioned. Then the state legislators might have to mow their own lawns and pull their own weeds. Dreadful thought, that!
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TggerJen
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04:53 PM on 06/02/2011
The AZ legal workers law (employer sanctions law) does exactly what federal immigration law permits and that's why it was upheld by the US Supreme Court. The state already controls licensing for businesses in the state, and so the state is expressly permitted by the '86 federal immigration law to control state business licenses in regards to immigration, and that's ALL the states are permitted to do. That's why parts of the 2010 law (SB 1070) were enjoined by a federal judge, because that federal judge ruled that the state of Arizona went too far and encroached on federal aspects of immigration (most aspects of immigration are reserved to the feds).
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Lisette53
I am the 99%
05:42 PM on 06/02/2011
Not all business in az even require a license.
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TggerJen
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04:56 PM on 06/02/2011
Quoted from the site at the URL below: The case pivots on the meaning of license because the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), expressly pre-empts States from
Grunty1
Micro-bio this
12:11 PM on 06/02/2011
[(not to be confused with the state's broader anti-immigrant SB 1070 passed last year and also headed for the high court) ] ---- Too bad HP made exactly that mistake when reporting on this case originally. Personally, I like this law, and think it should be ENFORCED, while throwing SD1070 into the trash can.
11:12 AM on 06/02/2011
What I would like to see is this law go National. Mandate e-verify for all businesses. Have them check current as well as future employees. Also have them use it for housing, drivers license, as well as assistance. If they can not find work or shelter they will leave.
kellygreen
"Ideology is the Science of Idiots" John Adams
11:41 AM on 06/02/2011
...and businesses that rely upon them for labor will have to start paying higher wages.

But then that is precisely why nothing ever gets done about it.
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TggerJen
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12:50 PM on 06/02/2011
Those higher wages will help our families and our tax base (so ultimately will help our schools). And that's precisely why we need to enforce our immigration laws; as a society we all benefit when we don't allow exploitative employers to finance their evil business model on the backs of working people and our children.
12:52 PM on 06/02/2011
Sad but true, neither party wants to tackle this issue for political reasons.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
12:06 PM on 06/02/2011
The GOP will make sure this never happens.
12:51 PM on 06/02/2011
The GOP in AZ is who pushed for it. If need be how about every state make their own law and model it off the AZ law that was upheld by the Supreme Court. Do you think it would be passed in Democratic strongholds like California or New York? Illegal immigration is not a political party problem, it is a national problem.
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01:56 PM on 06/02/2011
And yet its the Dems that are fighting every illegal immigration bill.