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02:45 PM on 06/24/2011
"…a March Rasmussen Reports survey found that 57 percent of Americans thought Muslims do not speak out enough against domestic terrorism."

They promote Islam so much as a religion of peace that people are blinded to see that they are doing little to nothing to STOP terrorism. And when I say stop terrorism, I mean speak out DIRECTLY to those terrorists. You know why they don’t? Because they often secretly agree with the terrorists. You'll never hear most of them say that because of Quranic teaching, if they’ve read the Quran for themselves. For example, two similar doctrines are called "Al-Taqiyya," the lawful lie, and "Kitman," the lawful half-truth. These support the idea that Allah read's the intentions of your heart and allows you—FORGIVES you—for speaking something entirely different on the outside than what’s in your heart as long as it furthers Allah's cause. Surah 2:225 says, "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts, and He is oft-forgiving, most forbearing." Also, 5:89 says, "Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths..." As long as you don't deliberately promise something, Allah forgives lawful lies to further his mission. For a religion whereby one of its beliefs is the pursuit of knowledge, logic being one field of knowledge, it is illogical.
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Rodger leMonde
I call them as I see them.
03:08 PM on 06/24/2011
Sounds like another God that has much following in this country. Oh right it is the same God.
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The Knocker
a mind is a terrible thing to waste
04:35 PM on 06/24/2011
The verses you just misquoted are typical from anti-Islamic website, created just to malign Islam and Muslim. If you would have quoted the previous verse, it would have put 225 into proper context.
"And make not Allah's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth all things." (2:224)

In The other verse you only quote part of it, reading the whole verse will give one quite the opposite of your misleading point. It is talking about futile oaths that one makes. These verse also proves the compassion side of God in Islam, who does not need to sacrifice any human being for our short-comings.
"Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." (Quran 5:89)
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02:14 PM on 06/24/2011
Maybe when muslim countries overcome their infidelophobia relations between muslims and other faiths will improve. Another step in the right direction would be condemnation of terrorist attacks, especially against other muslims. Muslim clerics have been largely silent about muslim on muslim violence, let alone terrorist attacks on western targets.
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MilesToGo
02:38 PM on 06/24/2011
Muslim clerics have definitely not been silent about terrorist attacks. You're just spouting a widespread media myth that bears very little truth.
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04:23 PM on 06/24/2011
Go take a look at the home grown hate groups in this country. The "Christian" hate groups far exceed in size any other groups in this country.
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Jelle NL
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06:27 PM on 06/24/2011
You cannot use the "dirt" of others as your "soap".
02:07 PM on 06/24/2011
Look at the Delta airline policy with regard to flying into Saudi Arabia then wonder why there is Islamophobia in the US. Anyone home? The Arab countries being so intolerant of others invite negative feedback. When the Arabs become peaceful and respect every other religion in the US and in their native countries, Islamophobia will disappear.
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Doug Sandlin
05:59 PM on 06/24/2011
Why pin a policy from Saudi Arabia on all Muslims?

Saudi Arabia represents 1.5% of all Muslims, and practices an ultra-conservative form of Islam, and has political issues with respect to Israel and Palestine.

How do American Muslims feel about Jews? Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyxGcdRLgOw
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01:54 PM on 06/24/2011
Rather than seeking ways to argue against some people's negative views of Islam, why not focus on how to rid Islam of those radical factions whose actions have engendered those negative views?
02:48 PM on 06/24/2011
Because when you read the Quran, you'll find out they are not radicals but rather true followers of what is written. This is not a political game; it is an ideological battle. I suggest you read the Quran fully in order to see the futility in seeking political "peace."
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03:49 PM on 06/24/2011
I have studied the Qu'ran and there is nothing holy about it. I've always said, the radicals are the true followers of islam.
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Doug Sandlin
08:34 PM on 06/24/2011
Why do you feel extremist Muslims interpretation of the Quran is correct?

Especially when they are a tiny percentage of total Muslims, who are primarily motivated by political issues (see CPOST link, below), and when mainstream experts in Islamic law denounce extremists' erroneous interpretations?

http://clarifyingislam.com/2011/04/30/600-page-fatwa-condemning-terrorism-by-internationally-respected-islamic-legal-scholar/

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http://cpost.uchicago.edu/
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Doug Sandlin
05:59 PM on 06/24/2011
If confused non-Muslims would drop fantasy-based prejudices about Muslims, we could all work together to do exactly that.
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01:53 PM on 06/24/2011
Islamophobia is unacceptable, but we shouldn't let a tumor of ha teful Republicans derail any conversation on the legitimate problems with Islam. If you object to the Christian Right, you probably have good cause to criticize much of Islam as well.

If you're afraid or unwilling to hold Islam to the same standard as Christianity, that isn't respect.
02:07 PM on 06/24/2011
Islam will never be held to the same standard as Christianity. And it shouldn't
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02:26 PM on 06/24/2011
Okay... why? You know what it means to hold people to the same standards, right?
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Andres64
Religion is a sectually transmitted disease.
02:32 PM on 06/24/2011
--Islam will never be held to the same standard as Christiani­ty.

It's not?

--And it shouldn't

Why?
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pbarba1969
01:12 PM on 06/24/2011
How about a dialogue concerning the treatment and discrimination of non moslems in moslem countries?????
01:19 PM on 06/24/2011
funny, people seem to forget about that.
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03:09 PM on 06/24/2011
pbarba1069
The muslims attending the conference have escaped or were thrown out or were transplanted for cause or were born elsewhere, many must have relatives back home. Yes, maybe they will put your question up front on the agenda. Good idea. Its so much more progress oriented than to gain freedom and complain and whine about it while millions suffer real islamic pain.
01:06 PM on 06/24/2011
I couldn't agree more that the best way to deal with Islamophobia is "Not to lay low" Why because I have been there. The discomfort I feel when I am in a public place in compnay of acquaintances and somehow the conversation turns into Muslims and Terrorism and I feel myself tensing up. What stance will I take today? Will I jump in and defend my faith or will today I keep quiet and tell myself pick my battles wisely? How will the person on the other end of the conversation will receive my opinion/my declarations? Will they be willing to give me a chance and hear me out or will they start reciting some choice verses from Quran (completely out of context) or some saying of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) again randomly and without giving the background first. So, what am I doing to change this . First I am educating myself with a deeper understanding of my religion ( attending seminar and lectures in my Islamic center, listening online to educated learned Shiekhs and Professors, interacting with them in Q & A sessions). Once I have the true understanding of my own faith ( apart from the ritual of saying 5 time prayer, observe fasting in Ramadan, give charity (Zakah) etc) then I can answer those who have suspicions/questions about Muslims next door, Muslims in the next cube at work, Muslims class mates of their children, Muslims who serve them in their corner Mid eastern cafe
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03:16 PM on 06/24/2011
Hina
You may be missing the point of freedom. Immersing yourself more thoroughly in islam to defend it, is not progress. It is ta·qi·yah, or going backwards into obscurity away from personal knowledge, personal growth and your own expression of who you can become. Let Mo rest in peace and become free. Listen to Wafa Sultan without hatred but with questions.
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Doug Sandlin
06:13 PM on 06/24/2011
Your comment reflects a highly-nuanced, incorrect and incomplete understanding of Islam.

Wafa Sultan is a woman who makes her living speaking against Islam -- she's hardly unbiased or balanced in her views.

And you don't understand what Taqiyya is, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

I presume you mean well ... but I don't see how your comment is helpful. To presume Islam is "all bad" is to misunderstand it. That's like presuming that dogmatic, restrictive Southern Baptists or Evangelicals represent the sum-total of Christianity, or that dogmatic, ultra-Orthodox Jews represent all of Judaism -- simply not accurate.
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10:30 PM on 06/24/2011
Hina
It is clear that whatever is said about islam by anyone at any time is wrong, if it could sound by anyone as if islam is not the perfect word of god adjusted to the 2011 cultures of Europe and America. Is this your experience?

Do you think that a former muslim understands islam or do they lose all knowledge as a mind failure or brain hemorrhage event? Did this happen to Wafa?
01:04 PM on 06/24/2011
A phobia is an irrational fear. It would be irrational not to be afraid of radical islam (as opposed to moderate islam).
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Jelle NL
Unity in Diversity
12:59 PM on 06/24/2011
Thomas Jefferson's solution for islamophobia was a compromise: Freedom of religion in exchange for privatizing religion - keeping it out of the public square.
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Dragosurfer
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01:03 PM on 06/24/2011
Jefferson was way ahead of his time. A great Statesman for sure.
08:15 PM on 06/24/2011
Which, no doubt, is why the evangelicals in Texas saw fit to strike his name from public school text books.

sadly, modern religion is far from being apolitical.
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Ytrus
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12:52 PM on 06/24/2011
The first step to dealing with Islamophobia is to acknowledge that there might be a reason for it.
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Jelle NL
Unity in Diversity
01:10 PM on 06/24/2011
If Islamophobia is a disease, then a good physician will look for its cause(s).
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pbarba1969
01:16 PM on 06/24/2011
Amen. One day maybe they will acknowledge not just the murder of 2 millio Armenian Christians but the destruction of Christianity in the East because of financial taxes popsed on Christians but a living tax, a tax that was paid by taking the sons of Christians to serve as Janissaries.

Maybe by acknowleding these crimes against humanity, people might be willing to be more forgiving and understanding. As opposed to always playing the victim which just produces anger...
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Doug Sandlin
09:27 PM on 06/24/2011
And how did Christians treat Muslims, during that same time in history?
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Dragosurfer
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12:39 PM on 06/24/2011
I feel sorry for the women in the photo. They are slaves to this out-dated, ancient, misogynistic religion controlled by men.
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03:20 PM on 06/24/2011
So I guess you didnt buy into the recent huffpost about women taking back islam?
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Dragosurfer
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09:47 PM on 06/24/2011
No, not at all. Then can spin it, and spin it, and spin it, all they like. All three of the Middle Eastern Desert religions are extremely Misogynistic; and Islam is by far the most Misogynistic in today's world. I realy don't care how many women have been brainwashed into Islam, or which organizations they are part of, it still a religion of hate. The proof is in all of the religious books. They can cherry pick the parts that suite them all day, and the hate is still there.
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Doug Sandlin
06:15 PM on 06/24/2011
Just FYI, the group referenced in the article above (ISNA - The Islamic Society of North America) is run by a woman (who is also a HuffPost blogger).

http://www.isna.net/ISNAHQ/pages/Ingrid-Mattson-President---US.aspx
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Dragosurfer
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12:33 PM on 06/24/2011
Can anyone tell me why all religions fear free speech? It seems to me that if the god of any of these religions was real, they would not have to fear free speech.
12:47 PM on 06/24/2011
Because free speech leads to free thinking, and free thought leads to less religion.
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Dragosurfer
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12:56 PM on 06/24/2011
You are correct!
08:17 PM on 06/24/2011
Precisely.
02:11 PM on 06/24/2011
All religions? I've never heard of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, or dozens of other religions having a fear of free speech. Islam is a different story.

Free speech in this country is in the Constitution, a document endorsed by mostly Christians and a few deists.
02:25 PM on 06/24/2011
Yep, most of those who wrote the Constitution to give people like you drago surfer the freedom to run your mouth were Christians.
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Dragosurfer
I surf, therefore I am…..
02:50 PM on 06/24/2011
I agree Islam is by far the worse violator of free speech and women’s rights in today’s world. However, Christianity also has a free speech problem. Right wing Christians have successfully passed laws in several Southern states that remove and/or replace science books with their creationist non-sense propaganda.

Also, a republican Congressmen from Florida introduced a bill to prevent Atheist from buying billboard space. Free speech is Always under attack by religious zealots. Apparently their god is not powerful enough to handle these issues on his own.
12:22 PM on 06/24/2011
Why should you care about Islamophobia if you're not Muslim? Because those who are Islamophobic are also much more likely than the general population to be anti-semitic. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/18/islam.religion
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TheLonelyGod
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12:36 PM on 06/24/2011
....and why should you care about anti-semitism if you're not Jewish?
12:57 PM on 06/24/2011
You know the whole thing about "First they came for the communists..." ?

That's why.
02:17 PM on 06/24/2011
Because it's the right thing to do. When a Muslim women was being bothered at a local store I stepped in to stop it & I don't even like Muslims. That was the right thing to do because my gut told me it was the right thing to do. YOU KNOW THAT!!!!
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Dragosurfer
I surf, therefore I am…..
12:37 PM on 06/24/2011
It's the religious that have a phobia of free speech. The problem is: "They Can't Handle To Truth"!!! And they have proven this on a daily basis with their whining and crying about anything and everything that thy disagree with. It just shows how fragile religion is.
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Dragosurfer
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12:16 PM on 06/24/2011
I'm as Atheist precisely because I have read the bible, attended a Christian school for 8 years, went to bible study classes, bible camp, etc. Then after thinking critically about religion, it became obvious to me, and millions of rational, logical, people around the world that are able to think clearly about religion, that all three of these ancient Middle Eastern, Desert religions are 100% man made. The fact is, that these religions have absolutely nothing to back up their fantastic superstitious claims except books written by men.

All of the Middle Eastern religious books (and I mean ALL of them) are so completely misogynistic, and full of murder, hate, genocide, rape, and just plain unbelievable stories that I fail to see how people can be so gullible as to believe in these ancient books.

Especially women, given all of the hate directed towards them is ALL of these books. It just shows how submissive and weak some women are after being beat-down by religious men.
12:42 PM on 06/24/2011
I am a Christian woman and you obviously know nothing about the Bible. The Bible only teaches about love and never once does it say to put women down or to kill those who dont believe as we do. I think it is sad you believe in nothing at all. How do you think we got here? Oh, let me guess...monkeys right?
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Dragosurfer
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01:11 PM on 06/24/2011
Wow, that tired old argument again. Rather than defending your religion, and/or the bible, you find it easier to just make these ridiculious statements like "How do you think we got here". There is tons and tons of free scientific information on this subject if you would just open your mind and learn.
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Cindy Tregan
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01:13 PM on 06/24/2011
Ashwr - you're wrong. The Xtian "Bible" is full of misogynist comments. Do your self a favor and read 1st Corinthians - the WHOLE thing, not just that "Love is patient and kind" twaddle. Read how Saul of Tarsus says that a MAN is the image and glory of God, but a woman is only the glory of Man.

Read Romans - and see how Saul of Tarsus does not allow a woman to ever have authority over a man.

When you read, and not just the "approved" passages that they serve up on Sundays - you may just change your tune.