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Craig Newmark

Posted: April 30, 2010 01:23 PM

How the American People Can Shape the November Election

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Okay, I'm trying to bring together some of my private bipartisan talking, and yesterday's Transparency Caucus, along with exploring networks of trust and reputation. Also, I've learned a lot about identity and accountability in my day job.

I hear both Republicans and Democrats talking about finding a new way to have Americans set the agenda for the forthcoming elections, with a focus on social media/networking, and they're serious.

Tools already exist for this like IdeaScale, pioneered in current Open Government efforts.

The hard part? That's preventing people from stuffing the virtual ballot box, that is, having people pretend to be many people by creating many identities to vote or comment. That's like the old "vote early, vote often" thing, but scalable into very large numbers.

We need to be reasonably confident that people are who they say they are, and they get only one vote.

Here's the deal: we have the tools for large scale agenda setting now, but if we're serious about 'em, we need to make sure that we minimize abuse. We can't fully prevent the problem, but we can reasonably control it using emerging tools. Since this isn't real voting, we can live with a reasonable solution soon, while getting a much better solution later.

There are at least two serious (though imperfect) large scale providers of identity, that do the job well enough for November.

That's Facebook and Google, via the profiles people already have. They really aren't perfect, and there are other providers, (I'd like to hear about them), but these will probably do the job. There are also standards to make profiles interoperate, which should also mean you own your own data.

So, if the online stuff will be seriously used in the elections: I propose that whatever tools are used, that they rely on identity provided by the best systems we have, and as much as possible, we own our own profiles.

 

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09:34 PM on 05/02/2010
I'd like to ask why they are called 'conservatives' when they genuinely conserve nothing. The apex of their politics is consumption and hoarding, neither of which I would consider conservation. Is their money and wealth their most highly prized or valued or desired life's goal? It can not be that it's the focus of their greatest efforts; they don't sweat actual work, though, perhaps stock dives give 'em palpatations...

More egregiously, they're the party of 'the line ends after me' and 'us vs. them'.

They'd even vote 'No" on "Yes!"
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RRK70
08:04 PM on 05/02/2010
Well I took a stroll over to IdeaScale and I can see Mr. Newmark's concerns.
I think the problem lies in effective scalability. The structure has to be "organic" in nature. If you were to be in a stadium of 100,000 and simply asked for opinions, the result would be a massive cacophony.

As HuffPo has realized, top down large scale moderation is faced will all sorts of challenges. So what about allowing people to build representative groups that are self moderated? When something is said that is out of line, it is up to the group to censor the individual. If the group fails to act, then the larger community can opt to censor that entire group for failing to act responsibly. In this manner individual voices can be heard, there is incentive and self-interest for individuals and groups to maintain civility, and there is no "supreme" moderator.

These groups could be arranged by any or all demographics: political ideology, age, race, gender, race, geography, etc. It could be a live forum for discussion, but also in a sense it could serve an enhanced live poll that could not only deliver feedback, but engage in dialogue.
lldem1
life long democrat or long lost? hard to tell
02:21 PM on 05/02/2010
Americans can shape every election. Whether they vote or note.
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Joe Friday
11:39 AM on 05/02/2010
That was close! I expected National ID's, chip implants and SSN tattoos!

Let's use what we have, Birth Certificate (only God and Barry don't have one), drivers licenses, voter registration ID's or On-line SSN verification!
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01:50 PM on 05/02/2010
Just because you insist on being blind doesn't mean the world doesn't exist.
11:00 AM on 05/02/2010
Easily the dumbest thing I've ever read
10:56 AM on 05/02/2010
Here's my voting stategy from now on: I will vote against all incumbents, regardless of party or stated positions. If there is an election where no incumbent is running, then I will flip a coin and vote for the winner of the toss. Throw them ALL out and start over.
02:19 AM on 05/03/2010
Oops, there goes your baby. You threw it out with the bathwater.
Firstspeaker, what you advocate never works. That's basically what happened in 1994, for instance, and the Republican Congress elected dismantled the financial safeguards that soon sabotaged the American economy, and its members took the lead in starting and supporting the Iraq War. Maybe you shouldn't vote at all since you don't want to apply any thought to your vote.
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07:10 AM on 05/03/2010
you allways know what you lose. What you find could be worst.
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imfedup
Fight the lies.
09:48 AM on 05/02/2010
I think social media can have a huge effect on this upcoming election because conservatives by and large don't understand it and have no clue how to harness it. I think the value of the virtual ballot box and polling is much less powerful than the power of social media to influence people to rally and vote. The Republican echo chamber is resonating, not because it's producing ethical or logical messages, but because it's LOUD. We need to get loud and use every tool in our box to get the word out. This administration is working hard for us, and Republicans are doing nothing but sitting on their hands and trying to obstruct. They should not be rewarded for this.
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OneVoiceRising
I am Wishadoo.org :)
01:07 PM on 05/02/2010
I heard a comment -- I think while watching Bill Maher -- that really rang true and speaks to the right-wing "noise machine" right now.

That Republicans don't really WANT to win, as if they did, they wouldn't know what to DO. They don't have answers (surely they would have implemented them during the Bush Administration), so instead their strategy is simply to obstruct to be a nuisance and energize their base, but not really push for a big win in November since they don't have answers to the myriad crises we're facing.

If they truly wanted to win, would they keep Michael Steele in place? It all makes sense to me.

Just sayin'. ;)
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middleoftheroad
11:36 PM on 05/02/2010
Then you're not paying attention and do not understand your political enemy, somthing progressives always do! Scott brown used social media much better than coakley, and evenherr on huffington, pat toomey gas been actually been running ads! They have been very clicked in as far as seo and top ads on google.
03:11 AM on 05/02/2010
So now the world's biggest pimp, whose website is full of men posting pictures of their dicks and who allows the blatant misogyny of women routinely being referred to as b---hes and worse on his website, is now telling us how we should run our political system? Laughable.

Craigslist is a cesspool and its owner now wants to brign the cesspool to our political system. How cool is that.

Anyone who thinks technology is going to solve what are essentially moral and spiritual problems is naive and deluded, as is anyone who thinks that technology is going to elevate a decaying empire.

What has all the computer technology given us? A nation of porn addicts, a nation full of obese and dumb young people who will live shorter and less healthy lives than their parents. Computers primarily serve to make the stupidity of the dominant culture more efficient.
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OneVoiceRising
I am Wishadoo.org :)
03:26 AM on 05/02/2010
And you are on a computer, commenting on a post by someone you dislike, why?

I'm genuinely curious. :)
11:32 AM on 05/02/2010
Craig Newmark could have sold his creation years ago and lived out his life as a billionaire, instead he stuck by his belief that the internet should be available to the community, free of corporate dominance. He's a hero as far as I'm concerned. We may very well lose the internet one day, it's quickly going the way of our corporate controlled radio and television.

If people choose to use this freedom to find sex or sell themselves as prostitutes, it hardly makes Craig Newmark a pimp. I used craigslist to get a great deal on a used dehumidifier recently, my moral and spiritual condition wasn't much of a factor.
01:03 AM on 05/02/2010
First you have to tell the msm and cable channels that they are NOT to manipulate the news to get their favorite person in...they do that. Andrea Mitchell snipes in her little cutsy way and the rest just plain manipulate. Then we have to make sure that the machines don't cheat and they will. The counting will be done off shore and the hacking and rearranging will be done. Paper trail and honest media....oh gosh, is it even possible.
11:30 PM on 05/01/2010
We need to make sure there are no corruption in voting process

We make a mandatory to ask ID. NO vote is far better than an illegal or duplicate vote.
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sammyscout
Speak truth to [GOP] Ignorance
10:01 PM on 05/01/2010
Alright, Great to hear from you. Keep up the good work. Last I read your interview in wired Magazine, awesome!
09:14 PM on 05/01/2010
we can't stop viruses from destroying our computer systems, os eletronic voting is not ready yet.

BUT,

Electronic Voting/Polling would be very helpful to third party candidates, by proving they are viable.

no paper trail, no vote. and make that paper trail observable online in real time, not including the face of the person voting.
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OneVoiceRising
I am Wishadoo.org :)
04:48 PM on 05/01/2010
The high level of vitriol continues. What's everyone so afraid of? Don't get me wrong, I believe there are many things TO be concerned and fearful about, but what is the fear that leads to these online attacks throughout the web? Fear is at the heart of it.

While our current system is essentially broken (I support campaign finance reform, getting rid of the electoral college, etc.) , things don't seem to be in place to be able to rely on online voting. Not yet.

If there could be a TRULY reliable media source -- not anything tainted by opinion which is essentially what our media has become, rather than facts -- that would be a huge step in engaging the populace. As it stands, media is like white noise, a distraction.

If there were a way to provide one resource where only facts are provided -- and how to interpret those facts is up to the reader/viewer -- that would be a start. Something different from FactCheck and Snopes We have access to unlimited information nowadays, but too many people don't realize it's often distorted by opinion. CAN we believe information isn't slanted in some way, to further someone's agenda, any longer? Truth in advertising is long gone.

We need to get more facts and truth "out there." No edutainment....just the facts, ma'am. Then the voting process (once the process itself is changed) will have more integrity.
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kimk3
04:13 PM on 05/01/2010
I am currently working for the census -- one of those people going door to door to find the people who didn't send their census form in. In training there was a big emphasis on our responsibility to protect "people's personal information" and to that end, the census absolutely does not, will not use email for the collection of any information. I quipped that even the government doesn't like the NSA illegal wiretapping but they assured me it was fear of hackers (not sure of the difference, really). I don't voting and computers will ever be compatible for fair and accurate voting.
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Nomccain
03:37 PM on 05/01/2010
It seems that only the stupid, extremist people forge the agendas! When that's over, the apathy takes over and those who are very intelligent and knowledgeable, don't vote because they've already learned that it doesn't really count. Until POTUS elections are decided by popular vote and term limits are imposed for those serving in congress, there won't be any changes. Politicians now consider their office a "career position" and once elected, they focus on being re-elected rather than serving those who elected them in the first place. They lie, twist facts, take money from special interests, and position themselves for the next election. Once intrenched, they are nearly impossible to get rid of.