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Post-Divorce Dating: Time or Timing?

Posted: 10/12/2011 1:37 pm

This post is based on a column which first appeared at Daily Plate of Crazy.

Some of us have been off the market for a while. The dating market, that is. And we're daunted at the thought of plunging back in -- or even sticking a baby toe in the wicked waters of social interaction.

I've had more than my share of experiences in and out of the post-marital dating pool, so if you're sizing up re-entry -- my advice?

Not so fast. It's rough out there! But more to the point, it may be rough at home.

Not only do we have to recover from breakups -- the turbulence of the divorcing process -- but then there's the aftermath, and I don't just mean the first few months. Longer term, post-divorce life can bring unexpected responsibilities, ongoing dramas with exes, and recurring legal matters. We may be operating under financial burdens that make it hard to stay afloat, much less get out and socialize.

Meanwhile, struggles with self-confidence and trust -- especially for those of us who feel "wronged" -- could be threatening to suck us under.

Then there are the children. They have their own timetables for healing, and it's my belief that our responsibility is to do our best for them first, including the need to address demands for our attention, the dilemmas of divided loyalties (and homes), and riding out the inevitable testing of boundaries.

Taking a chance and getting back out there may sound like a good idea, but time and timing play pivotal roles.

Dating requires evenings or weekends which we may not have available, emotional commitment we cannot drum up, not to mention resources (money and energy) to facilitate the meet-and-greet process. In my case -- scrapping to cobble together a living and raising my kids -- by the time I ventured back into dating, age was a factor.

Middle-age.

Now, now. Let's be realistic. When it comes to marketing the feminine vehicle, the 40-something or 50-something model with kids in tow is a tough sell. Even if you're well-built and properly maintained -- it's a niche market. Supply outstrips demand, and competition is tough. You're up against the younger and rebuilt versions, not to mention those without kids, debts, and other baggage.

* They have routines. You have sitter snafus.
* They have free weekends. You have soccer practice.
* They get facials. You get ulcers.
* They grow their hair. You grow a muffin top.

Thoughts of remarriage? Are you kidding?

You're long past believing in rescue fantasies, and you barely have time to care for yourself much less another adult. And time is the key -- for exploring the self, trying new partners, allowing relationships to run their course, or putting in the effort to sustain their development.

The coffee date? That one, you seem to manage. But what about more? Do you honestly have the time to invest in serious dating, or a full-blown relationship?

When I look back at my checkered post-divorce dating history, I realize that time was a factor at least as much as timing. The occasional date -- that I could manage. But a sustained relationship? Quite another matter.

So what about sex?

Oh, you already know the answer to that. Sex is always possible, and post-divorce, highly advisable! But for men and women alike, when the newness of initial freedom wears off, you may be hoping for something more.

Maybe you have a cooperative ex and a schedule you can depend on. Maybe family can assist, or single parent friends. Sadly, some of us find that friendships disappear with divorce, and without that support and assistance -- without predictable time off from work, from parenting, and from the work of parenting -- dating options evaporate.

So hear ye, hear ye! If you find yourself female, over 40, and getting divorced -- yes, take time to heal, to figure out what you want, take care of your kids, and shore up your finances as best you can. If you've lost your network, build a new one any way possible. But don't wait years to begin the dating dance. Because 50 and looking? 60 and looking?

In my experience, it's harder. Much harder.

After 10 years of single parenting, looking at the young men my sons have become, I don't regret a moment dedicated to their best interests, though it meant my social life sat on the shelf most of the time. And as I embark on empty nest, I realize I'm not quite ready to take in stray cats or hang up my stilettos. I find (to my own surprise) that I still imagine romantic possibilities. Midlife comes with its challenges, and its opportunities, but will time and timing finally be on my side?

What is to come, of course, remains to be seen. Yet I persist in the belief that we can all evolve if we want to. We can reshape our lives and re-establish a sense of our worth. We can capitalize on the fullness of our experience, and opt to keep trying.

It may not be simple, but then -- what is?

 

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01:17 PM on 10/21/2011
I think the amount of time you wait is somewhat important after a divorce, but more important, is how you approach dating again. I've learned from Pat Allen, Millionaire Matchmaker therapist (and my former marriage counselor!) that we women often connect with the wrong men and ignore the red flags that were present in the first three dates. Her biggest tip? Not to drink at all when you first meet a man to really assess whether you have true chemistry and compatibility. Makes sense to me. But yes, take it slow! Great tips and your kids are very lucky to have you as their mom. Laura, author NavigatingVita.com: What's A Single Mom To Do?
04:45 AM on 10/16/2011
Post divorce dating happens when it does, when you are one of the fortunate few who finds someone who will care for you baggage and all. There is no science to the timing. However, there has to be science to how and when the new mate will be introduced to the underaged children. I am convinced the children do not have to be in the loop until the relationship has passed the acid test of post-novelty hots and settled into a true, warm and caring relationship.
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D. A. Wolf
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06:47 PM on 10/16/2011
I'm totally with you on this one, @imhappy. That whole "revolving door" thing? Not great for kids, IMO.
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happylonersarah
Of all the Planets, WHY was I born on this one?
11:19 PM on 10/14/2011
Date again? I'm still young, but I got so burned that I feel like I can never ever trust a man again. Ever.

I'd rather sit at home with my dogs, in old sweats, drink a glass of wine and read a good book.
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D. A. Wolf
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06:46 PM on 10/16/2011
Trust is a toughie, @happylonersarah. I'm with you on that. The upside is - it encourages us to proceed slowly. And I believe that if we pace ourselves and take time getting to know someone extremely well - including the truth of their character and their values - we're better off in the long run in trusting them, and trusting our judgment as concerns them.

And nothing wrong with sitting at home with the dogs, the sweats, the wine and a good book for awhile! We all get back out there if and when we're ready.

Thank you for your comment.
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happylonersarah
Of all the Planets, WHY was I born on this one?
02:32 PM on 10/17/2011
Thanks.

I look forward to more of your writings!!
01:49 PM on 10/17/2011
I understand you 100% - my ex thought she could "set me up" in so many ways over the year + that she was plotting the divorce (but court discovery is a beautiful thing). During the divorce I really wondered if I could trust someone else getting that close, that intimate, again. Funny thing at least for me is that after a while the idea that there could be, and probably is, someone (maybe many someones) out there that would actually want me for who I am (baggage and everything) that I was actually strengthened to make it through the nastiness and start loving on.

I know it will happen, but I don't expect to see it around every corner and under every rock. I've learned to let things be and trust in things happening at their own time, filtered through the lessons I've learned.

Have faith :-)
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happylonersarah
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02:31 PM on 10/17/2011
Thank you.

Wow, it sounds like your ex was awful!!

It sucks, how someone you loved and trusted, turns out to be a cold manipulative individual. My parents raised me to be strong and confident. My father was a great husband and dad. So I thought I could spot a jerk a mile away. When I came to see how bad my ex was, I lost confidence and still feel distrustful.

I believe there are great people out there. But like you, I'm not searching. When it happens, I hope that I will have learned to trust again. BUT, I won't ever believe completely again. I can't.

Good luck to you!!! : )
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Chatt
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06:03 PM on 10/14/2011
Q...When is the right time? A...When you lose all self respect and come to the realization that you want someone to control your life and spend all your money.
02:46 PM on 10/14/2011
I'm with you Strangiato. There is so much more out there and "Freedom" is a good thing!
strangiato
Ha Ha...Charade You Are
03:05 PM on 10/14/2011
Exactly. For the ladies - let's face it. In our 40's and 50's, guys put on a few pounds unless they hang out in gyms all day and get a kick out of looking at other guys (LOL). We tend to be more messy. Snore. Leave the seat up. Produce flatulence at inappropriate times and places, don't cuddle enough before and after "play time", we have mother in laws that have extremely clean houses....yada yada yada. For guys, a lot of women CAN be (please note I capitalized "can" - they're stereotypes that exist for a reason) needy, clingy, controlling, make lots of plans way, way too far in advance, get very angry at you for not helping in the kitchen or jumping up from watching your favorite sporting event on TV to take the garbage out, throw a tube of toothpaste at you for leaving the toilet seat up....yada yada yada. I say find a hobby and throw yourself into it. If you find Mr. or Ms. Right in the process - great. If not, you still hopefully had a blast.
01:27 PM on 10/14/2011
I'm divorced, mid 40s, and have majority time with my 10 year old son. Trust me, men (normally) have it as difficult as women. There are newer models ranging from Metrosexual to Jersey Shore stud-wannabe. I'm in decent shape but rather be with my son doing homework or kicking a soccer ball than spend my life at the gym.

I have friends, and very good ones that and stuck with me while my marriage insanity was going on. They are my inspiration, sanity, humor, but still no sex. Don't have it, didn't have it for the last year of my marriage, and will abstain because I don't want to get tempted into something destructive for my son and I.

We are healing, and enjoying each other while we do it. He knows my relationship with his Mother is over but I remind him that HIS relationship with her is still there. I can be patient and wait to find the person that I can't wait to talk to, get home to, to kiss, and even watch "chick flicks" with.

A woman in her 40s who's "well-built and properly maintained" would be the perfect woman, especially with kids. Moms "get it" about being a Dad, especially ones that care about his child. Sitters, soccer and ulcers...bring 'em, because you also get love, compassion, humor, support, and family unity if you do it properly.
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SLM89
Don't just look outside the box, change the box
01:45 PM on 10/14/2011
You are a good Dad..I am the same with my daughter..I agree with everything you said..
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D. A. Wolf
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02:15 PM on 10/14/2011
Maybe you and @lazarusfl should say hello to each other. You might have much to talk about, and a great deal in common. (Move over Patti Stanger! Huff Post is on it.)
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D. A. Wolf
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02:12 PM on 10/14/2011
@lazarusfl - I think you could start your own fan club with this comment! Or at the very least, give classes!

You sound like you know exactly what you're doing, how to navigate this next period of time. Meanwhile, might you clone yourself - or at least your attitude - a few tens of thousands of times over? The women of America would thank you.
01:50 PM on 10/17/2011
LOL thanks...I'll work on the cloning!
01:19 PM on 10/14/2011
I'm not divorced , but I am a widow with two teens. Knowing when to date again is an individual thing. I can say, from my experience that you have to have all of your ducks in a row, and have yourself and your life together before you can bring someone else into it, especially if you have children. It's a real balancing act, but it can be done as long as you conduct yourself in a mature way, and be independent. Don't go looking for someone to heal you, support you financially, or emotionally. You should expect others to be understanding, but don't rely on your dates to be your psychiatrist. Have a fresh new positive atitude in everything you do,always keep moving forward. Because of this philosophy I met a wonderful man about a year after my husband's passing, and 2 yrs later we still have a great relationship. But... it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't had my life in order first. :) A strong faith in God only helps too : D
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D. A. Wolf
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02:08 PM on 10/14/2011
Thank you for your comment, Denise. Wise words.
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SuperDaveOsborn
12:54 PM on 10/14/2011
Whatever happened to our "vows", taken before God, who CLEARLY dictates in I Corinthians 7, that if we find ourselves seperated in any manner whatsoever, and our spouse is still alive, that we are TO REMAIN SINGLE & NOT SEARCHING ???

Any wonder why there are so many horror stories in our world of "Sin-Gone-Wild" ???
01:46 PM on 10/25/2011
Even religion has caveats, if the ex was a non-believer, if there is infidelity, if there is any type of addiction or abuse. "Sin-Gone-Wild" is a reflection of change, sometimes things swing to far and ultimately right themselves somewhere in the middle. I hope you are not suggesting that if my some misfortune one finds they are divorced, they must never expect nor pursue a union again.
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Tava524
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12:54 PM on 10/14/2011
I like this article a lot. I am not ready to date again and at the moment I don't want to get married again either. Mainly because I don't have the time it takes to give to do that and my situation is very fresh. But I don't see myself alone for the rest of my life. At times I do get lonely now especially moving to a different state so I don't even have any friends that I could go to lunch with. I just wonder what would be some things that I could do seeing I'm recently divorced and moved to a different state?
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D. A. Wolf
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02:07 PM on 10/14/2011
What a lovely comment, and thank you for sharing your experience, @Tava524. Some women (and men) explicitly seek to remarry. Some of us don't, which doesn't mean we don't want a committed relationship after a period of getting to know ourselves again, and maybe, a bit of playing the field.

I'm a firm believer in taking the time you need to heal - first. Otherwise, it's inevitable that you bring all kinds of emotions and issues into your dating life that have little to do with the person you're meeting and everything to do with post-divorce adjustments, which can be huge.

In a new state? A new job as well? There are so many things you could explore to meet people - not just men - but people, who might become friends or interesting connections. Meetup.com has all kinds of options - activity and interest-oriented, not explicitly for dating. Your local universities will have continuing ed programs, if you have time / money / interest in taking classes in almost anything. After-work museum activities (of the jazz & wine sort) - great sources for meeting interesting types! Your local community centers, church or synagogue, or getting involved in a cause you genuinely care about as a volunteer.

I know what it is to start over - in the same city - or in a different one. Not easy. But it's also a time for renewal. For taking some risks. You have nothing to lose - and everything to gain.

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SLM89
Don't just look outside the box, change the box
12:41 PM on 10/14/2011
I am a single mom of a now 12 yr old daughter. I have been single since day 1(was not married to the father) and the father has never met my daughter..(he pays child support but doesn't want to be a father, go figure) Yes, I dated when she was little hoping I could meet someone, get married and be a family. That didn't happen. I suppose I spent too much time with the wrong men. (btw..my daugther never met anyone I dated) Now I'm 45 and I don't date. I am dedicated to my daugther 100%. I have 6 yrs left with her and I want to be there for every minute. After she is off to college it will be my turn..I plan to date..or not..but I do know I dont want to get married or live with anyone. However I would like a partner..a relationship with 1 person...to travel with..spend weekends with and enjoy grandkids. I know I will not date anyone with young children..I want someone who is available.I will be older (51, yikes!)and know the road to meet someone will not be easy however I am not willing to give up my weekends or any other time to a realtionship over my daughter. She comes first, period. So far she has been a joy..a wonderful young woman that I have a tight bond with and would not trade that for anything.
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D. A. Wolf
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02:00 PM on 10/14/2011
@SLM89 - I hear you, and I get it. I must say, despite the work and worry, both my sons (very close in age) were a joy to raise. There's plenty of gray hair to show for it (I touch it up, and don't mind saying so), but I have no regrets about the degree of involvement and heart I've given to those two young men. What I've received is surely more.

But...

At 12, kids have many changes they're going through - or are about to. The middle school years (more than high school, in my experience) can be particularly treacherous. There will be a period of growing independence, even in the best of relationships - and that's good and healthy.

As my firstborn flew the nest, my younger was increasingly FOR me dating purely for the pleasure of socializing, and also to find someone I'd be happy with - among other things, so he wouldn't feel badly about going off to lead HIS life, when he turned 18.

You may find that things evolve sooner than you realize. Both of you may want that pleasure of opening up your life to include a good man.

Whatever the future holds, thank you so much for your comment, and I wish you the best with your daughter.
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SLM89
Don't just look outside the box, change the box
04:36 PM on 10/14/2011
Thank you so much for your input! I am definitley gearing up for the middle school years. I will welcome her independence if that comes sooner than I expect. She is still at the age where she doesn't want me to date, so I'm enjoying every minute of it as I know things change overnight. Thank you again...
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Swimdude
04:54 PM on 10/14/2011
You sound like a great mom. I am 51 - Single Father - with custody of a now 15 year old daughter. She has lived with me full time for the last 5 years. She is National Junior Honor Society, Presidents Academic Excellence award. So, hopefully, that means I have done some stuff right. I have dated a few times in the 8 years since my divorce, but when there was a question of who gets my time, it was always no contest. My Daughter wins every time. I have about 4 years until my daughter goes to College. I will never marry again either, however, traveling places and spending my time with someone on common interest is always really special. I hope you find the special person for you.
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D. A. Wolf
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06:06 PM on 10/14/2011
It sounds like you have much to be proud of, @Swimdude, as does your daughter. As for the "no contest" when it comes to kids or a date, I think most single / solo parents (men and women) get it.

Wishing you all the best, and thank you for commenting.
strangiato
Ha Ha...Charade You Are
11:13 PM on 10/13/2011
Get a hobby. No one should feel they have to go through their entire life being tied down in a "relationship". I can think of a lot more reasons not to have another partner than reasons to have a partner again. The freedom to do things I've never done before is one of the most important. I'm not suggesting that all marriages or relationships hold us back. I'm sure there are couples out there that have everything in common. But from all I've seen in the past 45 years of living, that's likely to be the exception, not the rule. Frankly, with each year that passes, I find the notion of maintaining a sex life and/or close bond with the opposite sex to be more and more absurd. If you're not doing it to have kids and a family, what's the point? Temporary shallow self gratification? And if I don't find sagging wrinkled bodies attractive, are we supposed to wear blindfolds? If I have the unconditional love of my family or a pet, what more could I want?

I'd much rather do things guys my age do with other guys like hunting, fishing, sailboat racing, cycling, restoring antique cars, flying...yada yada yada. Yes I could probably find a female that's interested in some of that stuff but then you have to deal with the potential baggage of expectations for a more "intimate" relationship and all the drag that entails. Been there -done that. Time for something different.
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D. A. Wolf
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11:46 AM on 10/14/2011
@strangiato, It sounds like you've found what you're comfortable with. I know that for me, in the 10 years since divorce, what I've wanted has evolved. What fit 8 years ago or 5 years ago doesn't fit at this stage. What will fit in 3 years or 5? I couldn't say.

No sex? Been there, done that, not how I want to live my life! Sex with someone I love? Life with someone I love? I might have seen that as "drag" 5 years ago, but not these days. I see it as a privilege.

Thank you for commenting, and enjoy all those cool activities!
strangiato
Ha Ha...Charade You Are
02:30 PM on 10/14/2011
Thanks for your well thought out advice. Like anyone else, I'm a product of genetics and environment. As you might imagine, I didn't always think sex was a "drag". Right after my divorce, I hooked up with a busty blonde fast number about 12 years younger. I found out from her girlfriend a few days after the first time we had sex that she took the used condom out of the waste basket in her bedroom and tried to get pregnant with it. I kind of figured it was a little weird when she asked me not to flush it down the toilet "because it might clog the plumbing". I've never been told that b4. After that interesting experience (thankfully she didn't get pregnant), my perspective on women and sex changed a bit - I aged about 30 years mentally and stopped thinking with my "other head". : )
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Vicki Larson
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10:21 PM on 10/13/2011
Dating at midlife can be challenging, but a lot depends on what you want. I don't want to get married again, but I did want sex — as you say, that's easy! But, at some point, I knew I wanted companionship and love. I enjoyed going on dates with men I met online (which is how I met many, but not all). I learned not to have any expectations, and so even though most of those dates didn't lead to anything, I sure met some interesting men! I met my boyfriend online and almost 7 years later, we have a wonderful relationship -- probably because we live apart! ;-)

You never know, D.A., when you might meet someone. At 50? 60? 70? Who cares, as long as it's someone who wants to be with you, too. And I wouldn't worry about trying to compete with younger women — we can't and shouldn't. And, we really wouldn't want to be with a man who wants a younger women, now do we?
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D. A. Wolf
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11:35 AM on 10/14/2011
Thank you for sharing your story, Vicki. I certainly agree that a great deal depends on what we want, as we pursue (or not) our post-divorce social lives.

But another factor that isn't to be underestimated is circumstances - financial, logistical, medical, professional - not to mention what the other parent may or may not be doing, intentionally or not, that causes additional strain. Regardless of what we "want," any of those aspects of post-divorce life can significantly impact our dating options.

When it comes to meeting someone special anytime and anywhere - true that. Especially with an open mind and "yes" attitude. It may not be easy, but it certainly is possible!
12:56 PM on 10/13/2011
I can relate to your story in so many ways. After the divorce financial, emotional and time constraints caused roadblocks for dating. An occasional hook-up would fill the need short term.
I jumped into another relationship pretty quickly and blending families was hard enough that after that ended, I focused all my energy on my kids.
I am now also entering the stage of empty-nest and really want to get out into the dating game again. One aspect that makes it difficult? Meeting men. Online dating leaves me cold, and after over a decade out of the scene, I just dont run in many social circles anymore. I too have hope of loving again If I am not too set in my ways. I personally don't think that the younger girls have anything over us experienced girls.
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D. A. Wolf
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11:40 AM on 10/14/2011
Shani, thank you for sharing your experience - not so different than mine though you married and had children young, while I was late to marry and have kids. But the result is the same - years when juggling it all AND a social life wasn't workable, and now, empty nest.

You have the advantage of being young (still) - really! And don't discount online dating entirely. I think it's far more effective when you're under 45 than over (for women). And you may be surprised at the great guys you can meet.

And YES to what experience teaches us! We have much to give, but as @latrlatr commented - nor should we be seeking the Mega-Bucks White Knight.
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Willie12345
11:38 AM on 10/13/2011
I has a relative that is divorced and very lonely. She is a very attractive girl and fun to be with. She also has two young daughters. Her ex husband is terrible to her. He pays no child support and just plain mean. Yet, she lets him see the kids regardless.

She really wants an man in her life, but is looking in all the wrong places. Moreover, she is over active in her search. It's almost obsessive. She is burning herself out in this search.

What can I tell her to prevent some serious problems in her future ?
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D. A. Wolf
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11:43 AM on 10/14/2011
Willie, Thank you for commenting. I wish I had a good answer for you. I don't, except to say that our family court system is broken. The number of parents who get away with not paying child support or only paying what they see fit - particularly when they're employed and have the money - it's unforgivable. AND illegal. But enforcing support orders is very difficult and often requires money that the custodial parent doesn't have.

As for your friend's social life, maybe if she didn't look quite so hard, she would "stumble" into something good. Life can be difficult when you want to share it and there's no one there. But we can make family of our friends, and other relatives. She sounds lucky to have you in her corner.
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Erica Manfred
10:33 PM on 10/12/2011
OK, how about when you're 68, which I am. And not only am I 68 but I'm, even worse, not slim. I might even be called, f-a-t but don't tell anyone. I put my toe in the dating pool occasionally, and this time I put an ad on Craigslist: Literary Lady seeks Highbrow Honey. I got a few interesting answers, had one date with a VERY boring guy, and a few fade-aways. You know the scenario, a few emails or phone calls and they fade away. So today I get an email from someone who says he's in publishing, lives in Woodstock (both good, that's where I live) and he's 200 pounds and 6 feet tall. His only requirement is that a woman not be "obese." Gag me with a spoon. I think I'll go back to celibacy for now, and probably forever. At least until I lose 30 pounds and an equal number of years.
04:24 AM on 10/13/2011
Literary Lady,

Start a book club :)
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Erica Manfred
10:02 PM on 10/13/2011
Now there's an idea. I'm starting a mother/daughter book club, and might start a grown up one, but it's sure not a way to meet men.
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D. A. Wolf
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09:07 AM on 10/13/2011
I love your "Literary Lady" line, Erica, and it doesn't surprise me that it got a nibble. I have to say, the dating world is more challenging than a once-upon-a-time serendipitous meeting or an introduction through friends.

I'm curious if the gentleman who said "no one obese" is your age(ish), or 10 years older! And who's to say he is who he says he is, or looks anything the way he describes?

Over the years, I've had to repeatedly take breaks from the dating world. Too much false advertising and "shopping" by the wrapping - by the homogeneous standards of beauty in your part of the country, and men always with the age advantage.

But I do have a strategy, and it doesn't require losing 30 pounds unless you'll feel better and healthier doing so.

Meet him anyway. What's the worse that can happen? He's a jerk, you're annoyed, you share a coffee and that's that. Maybe you're even hurt afterward. And?

We're all hurt in life, all the time.But if we don't keep saying YES to possibilities - even remote - we won't get anywhere. I've said yes to the most ridiculous meetings, but usually, I pulled something out of it - greater awareness in what I need, the ability to provide a kind ear to someone who needs it, even getting an unexpected writing gig. And occasionally, meeting a nice man.

No guarantees. Ever. It's hard and it sucks. But that's my approach these days. Sometimes, it helps.