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Dan Dorfman

Dan Dorfman

Posted: January 6, 2011 10:30 AM

Another Market Crash in 2011?

What's Your Reaction:

On Monday, when the Dow was up about 127 points during the stock market's first trading session of the year, a co-owner of one of New York City's Italian restaurants got a call from his stockbroker. "You gotta get in," the restaurateur was told. "The worst is over; this market could go the moon."

Even the media is caught up in this moon-bound euphoria, with one commentator on Bloomberg TV recently declaring "we're off to the races." Another commentator from the Fox Business Network took it one step further, asserting that "anyone who stays on the sidelines is a fool."

Who knows? Maybe they're right and the nightmare is over -- which seems highly questionable -- but the broker's rosy pitch to his client was devoid of any cautionary words, the restaurateur told me. Totally ignored were the lingering affects of the vicious $12 trillion hit that the balance sheets of U.S. households took between late 2007 and early 2009, reflecting a biting recession and the concurrent crashes in the stock and housing markets. Likewise missing in the broker's sales pitch was any mention of a bevy of risks that still abound.

It was as though the brutal 2007-2009 period was a figment of someone's imagination, an unreal turn of events reminiscent of the plot of the 1959 film On The Beach, where the residents of Australia, following a global nuclear war, must come to grips with the fact that all life will end in a matter of months from radiation poisoning.

Still, the masses, namely the army of retail investors, are starting to get swayed by the media's bullish blitz, signs of a peppier economy and rebounding equity prices (as seen by double-digit gains in 2010's major stock indices, topped off by a 20% rise in the last four months of the year, and a rising trend in early 2011).

Investors are by no means rushing headlong into stocks again. But the word from the brokerage community is that the masses are starting to get their feet wet again; likewise their fears are showing signs of diminishing and the expectations in some quarters are that U.S. stock mutual funds, after a recent drout, could see inflows this month of between $1.5-$3 billion.

Numbers from West Coast liquidity tracker TrimTabs Research clearly show less investor fear, with U.S equity fund outflows declining from $16 billion in August to $6 billion in November and down again to $1 billion last month.

If you're one of those investors ready to take the plunge, a word of caution from one incisive market watcher, Olivier Garret, the CEO of Casey Research, an international advisory firm in Stowe, Vt., that provides financial and investment analysis to some 40,000 moderate and high net worth clients in more than 150 countries around the globe. His basic message: Watch out! These are dangerous times and too many things could go wrong.

In other words, there are still plenty of lurking nightmares out there.

Garret, in sharp contrast to the bullish sentiment sweeping Wall Street, but by no means a doomsayer, lays out the ingredients for what he expects could spur an inevitable market crash this year. In effect, he's anticipating, he tells me, "bad events," among them the collapse of both Spain and California, a bashing of the bond market, with yields rising 100 basis points or maybe more, the very real chance we could see a wave of defaults among cities, states and municipalities, the likelihood of decreased spending at the consumer and corporate levels, considerably more downward pressure on real estate and the prospects of a substantial rise in inflation because of heavy money printing.

In addition, he says, you can't rule out a possible German split from the European union, which would cause the union to fall apart and lead Greece, Spain and Portugal to all default on their debt. Noting that the European debt crises haven't improved in six months and that the debt to GDP ratios in most European countries (as well as in the U.S) exceed 100%, he believes this situation is more alarming than investors generally realize and could easily blow up again.

Garret also envisions the possibility of a major failure in the financial arena, noting the world's 25 largest financial institutions all have risk profiles, exaggerated by overvalued assets, too much debt and insufficient reserves. He further notes that we're near to the point where various governments, including the U.S., which is spending $1.5 trillion more than it earns, will not bail out the financials because they themselves have too much debt.

Still, taking note of our economic recovery, Garret sees two plausible market scenarios in 2011 -- either a 5%-10% gain in stock prices, assuming no major shocks, or a 20% to 50% decline, with the Dow conceivably falling to around 6,000. In any event, Garret says "we don't think we can go through another year without a crash."

The anticipation in the market is for good news, but a more realistic expectation, he says, would be bad news, which is why Garret is convinced "we could experience a swift, violent downward reaction at any time."

So how does one protect themselves against a 2011 crash? He's especially gung-ho on commodities, largely because of increasing demand from China and India. His best bets: precious metals, notably gold and silver, plus energy and agricultural companies. Likewise, he says, "I would hold a lot of cash."

What do you think? E-mail me at Dandordan@aol.com


 
On Monday, when the Dow was up about 127 points during the stock market's first trading session of the year, a co-owner of one of New York City's Italian restaurants got a call from his stockbroker. "...
On Monday, when the Dow was up about 127 points during the stock market's first trading session of the year, a co-owner of one of New York City's Italian restaurants got a call from his stockbroker. "...
 
 
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Bibulus
On my way back from Hawaii with the long-form bio
04:25 AM on 01/15/2011
I took my money out of the market three years ago and invested in Cherry, Pistachios, Almonds, Nectarines, etc. for the back acreage. Outperforming my 401k by a good margin and now that I've begun investing in 'honey' futures with my hives it's really looking sweet :)
12:12 AM on 01/09/2011
There is an unnatural quiet in financial markets after that jobs bombshell last week. Usually market euphoria changes to panic very quickly, and the highs in bullishness switch the other way (and such highs do not go higher). We are facing this moment again now, see: http://www.arabianmoney.net/us-dollar/2011/01/08/an-unnatural-state-of-calm-in-markets-as-jobs-data-disappoints/
08:04 PM on 01/08/2011
I fully concur with Olivier Garret. His advice here will save every reader who follows it a crushing loss when the real bear market resumes and starts marching to the March-2009 lows.

The inevitable correction that can come from so many angles now that I do not see how it can be avoided. Yet, that's the word I hear coming from so many quarters of the investment community.

Also, there's so much collusion between the FED and it's primary dealer banks that I suspect they manipulate the market for gain on the upside and when they see huge investment dollars flow in they will start shorting the markets the unsusepcting are buying up. All my study of the FED and the banking crisis indicate the FED & it's primary dealers saw this train wreck coming and had their preventative measures in place at least six months before the implosion. Some like Goldman Sachs were able to profit from it (thus far) and others were so mired they couldn't avoid it regardless of the FED's help (Country Wide, Bear Stearns, and Lehman Brothers).

The correction is needed to flush out the corrupt & bad money, but please don't allow your hard earned money to get flushed with theirs.

The rally that started in March-2009 allowed many people recover the value of their 401ks and resume their retirement goals. Protect that value now and seek to preserve the capital you have.
03:20 PM on 01/07/2011
How is Wall Street any different from organized crime? Is it the fact that their loan sharking, racketeering, and ponzi schemes are just barely legal?
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12:35 AM on 01/07/2011
If the markets hit 12k they will come falling down. This always seems to happen 12-14k hang there to long and than BAM bubble burst and down comes everything.

Also why are people now just getting there feet wet? Thats not how you get rich you get rich by buying the stocks after they tumble not when they are at their peak and prob wont stay there.
KIampfbeobachter
Misanthropic economic and political shaman
03:05 PM on 01/07/2011
God blesses you in the purchase.
07:45 PM on 01/08/2011
Most people wait on the sidelines until the market has peaked and then get in. Take silver for instance. it peaked at $50 oz in the late 80s and then collapsed over the next fifteen years to under $3 oz. The statistic I heard was that the majority of people who own silver bought it at or near $50oz. It happens everytime. People get burned in their 401K and other investment accounts by investing emotionally as opposed to getting educated. You don't have to be a stock picker (which is an art in an of itself), you can look at the economy and different sectors and get a good idea of where the market is going.

When the Bush tax cuts took effect I knew the economy would rebound big time. When the crisis hit and the government used that to justify trillion+ deficts annually for the next ten years, I could not bring myself to invest outside of a gold based ETF and some other contrarian investments. The fundamentals are not there. This Wall Street boom we've had was bought & paid for by the FED with trillions debt. The latest round of QE2 looks to me to fizzling out far sooner than anticipated.

Do what Garret says, keep your money in cash (or 30/60/90 day T-bills) and be concerned with capital preservation for now. Just play it safe.
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11:39 PM on 01/08/2011
I agree local. My wife and i have only 16k in mutual funds mostly over sea funds. I always kick around the idea of moving to cash but never do, wonder if i should oh well.

But yes i never was into stocks but my dad had an act for turning 5k(all my mom would let him invest hahaah) of investment in to several 100k and than staying in to long and almost getting burned. He is done with the markets now been bubble burned to many times. I told him though buy ford its super cheap and it will just keep going up. Now he says he wish he did. Btw his investments he still has he moved to cash50/gold50 and his actually been banking pretty good but im sure gold will collapse sooner or latter.

But none the less getting your feet wet at the top of the market is not smart and if that's how you play the game just don't play
10:16 PM on 01/06/2011
greed will prevail over fear and people will be looted again by wall st
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Coinspinner
09:59 PM on 01/06/2011
There's just very little in the "plus" column for the American economy.

Meanwhile, our leaders war on a houseplant and provide little more than theatrics.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:57 PM on 01/06/2011
We will crash, soon. Cutting spending in a depression is how you create a great depression. Not raising top income taxes to 70-90% as we always do in war and depression, assures that we will fail.

The real liberal Progressive Caucus needs to leave the corporatist Democrats before they get blame and so we have a real choice in 2012.
10:40 AM on 01/07/2011
I agree.
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07:57 PM on 01/06/2011
No one can predict what will play out in the market except that it will reward the opportunists and insider trader and monied investors and punish investors who presume that the Market is on the up and up.  When this economy finally implodes in the next months, Americans will quit the stock market and will ban gambling throughout the nation (except Nevada) where it will be under strict regulation.  Purtianism and Calvinism will gain new supporters as Americans experience the worst depression and poverty in human history.
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zlohcuc
"Serving millions from atop the Allegheny"
07:27 PM on 01/06/2011
I am grateful for all the inciteful posts here. I am nearly back to 2008 level in my 401k acc0unts. What would you suggest for someone with a diversified portfolio that is closing in on retirement age. I don't have time for another bust and recovery.
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12:36 AM on 01/07/2011
should have moved your money to gold. The amount my Dad has made is pretty amazing, but of course gold is a bubble that will eventually pop but it is also a hard asset so it might not fall that much.
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zlohcuc
"Serving millions from atop the Allegheny"
11:52 AM on 01/07/2011
Thanks...worth considering if there is a slight pullback.
03:18 PM on 01/07/2011
Dude's right, put your money in physical assets, then after June put it back into bonds, but no stocks.
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07:23 PM on 01/06/2011
for once we played this last downfall pretty well and are back to pre-2008 levels or better.'

Question is: How long to stay in this market before the next fall? The cliff is surely out there, how close can you play it?
06:59 PM on 01/06/2011
greetings.....in the end, hunger will be stronger, much stronger, than greed....and that bumper sticker that says - Eat the Rich- will have been prophetic....stay skinny!......
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ronkw
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06:26 PM on 01/06/2011
When and while Joe Sixpack gets bullish and commits funds then the market turns back down, in a big way. Got to suck the public's money back in first tho.,

Then we get the catalyst to kick off the bear, I think it will come from "home." That is, the debt of our States and municipalities will implode sometime this year. Long and short term rates will run up quickly as it unfolds.
06:20 PM on 01/06/2011
Most of my broker buddies say your safe until after the 2012 elections.Wall street loves Pres Obama since he has protected them from regulation and prosecution.....and will not crash it until after his re-election. So invest if you want but get out by the 4th quarter of 2012. However I would not put my money in since to me it is totally rigged.
05:59 PM on 01/06/2011
I agree. The Fed keeps trying to insulate our economy from the crash that needs to happen by keeping interest rates at practically zero. This simply can't work forever. Another crash is coming, and me and mine are in cash.