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The Space Shuttle Challenger and Climate Change

Posted: 02/17/10 08:39 PM ET

On January 27, 1986, the night before the Space Shuttle Challenger was to be launched, a phone conference took place between NASA managers and Morton Thiokol, the manufacturer of the shuttle's solid rocket motors. Engineers from the rocket company told NASA that it would be too cold (26ºF) to launch since the previous coldest launch (53ºF) showed burn-through problems with the O-ring seals and therefore there was no data to show that it was safe to launch. The NASA managers asked if they could prove that the rockets would fail at low temperatures and, of course, it could not be proved. NASA then held a private call with the rocket company's managers, with the engineers excluded, and got them to agree to say it was OK to launch. The Challenger exploded the next day, 73 seconds after launch.

Of course, the NASA managers had asked the wrong question given that it was a life and death matter. Rather than asking if there was proof that the launch would fail, they should have asked if there was proof that the launch would succeed.

The discussion of climate change is following a similar course. Climate scientists are telling us that we are headed for catastrophe if we keep emitting CO2 and other greenhouse gases. But instead of heeding their warnings, we are asking for proof of the impending disaster. We harp on minor errors in otherwise overwhelming evidence and we rail against scientists when they express their frustration about the ability of deniers to confuse the public.

The fact that increased CO2 in the atmosphere leads to warming isn't really debatable... you can measure it in the laboratory. CO2 and other greenhouse gases are good at absorbing infrared radiation (heat) and then re-radiating it in all directions. They act like a blanket around the earth and without it the Earth would be a frozen snowball. But just like adding a second comforter to your bed makes you warmer, adding CO2 to the atmosphere heats up the Earth. And we know where the extra CO2 comes from. Every year, we dig up gigatons of fossil fuels and burn them, releasing CO2. So far, we have increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere by about 38% (from a pre-industrial 280 "parts per million" to 387 ppm today) and we will likely double it this century. CO2 levels haven't been as high as they are today for at least 15 million years. And the CO2 doesn't go away quickly. Some of it stays in the atmosphere for hundreds and even thousands of years.

It is interesting to listen to people who deny that climate change will happen when it is already is happening. The summer Arctic sea ice is already 40% less than it was 30 years ago and it may be all gone in as little as 10 years. And, in a few years, you will be able to sail a regular boat (not an ice breaker) over the North Pole for the first time in human history. Every decade in the last 40 years has been hotter than the previous decade. And 2010 will likely be the hottest year since we started measuring temperature (2005 is the hottest so far and 2009 is tied for second place). Glaciers are melting around the world. Floods, droughts, and extreme weather are increasing every decade. We are in the middle of a mass extinction (species are going extinct at 1000 times the "normal" rate). And worldwide food production has been dropping for the past five years due to climate change. While some people claim these effects are due to "natural cycles", if it wasn't for the greenhouse gases we have put in the atmosphere, the world would actually be cooling slightly (due to subtle changes in the Earth's orbit around the Sun).

If after examining an airplane, an aircraft mechanic expressed even a fraction of the concern that climate scientists are expressing, you would never get on that plane and you certainly would not put your children on it. Why do we treat climate change differently?

Like the rocket engineers that told NASA that 53ºF was the lowest safe temperature, climate scientists are telling us 350 ppm is the highest possible safe level of CO2. We are already at 387 ppm, though it is still possible to get back to 350.

But only if we ask the right questions.

 
 
 
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02:23 PM on 02/20/2010
Would the analogy be more helpful/accurate if, instead of ...

"CO2 and other greenhouse gases are good at absorbing infrared radiation (heat) and then re-radiating it in all directions. They act like a blanket around the earth and without it the Earth would be a frozen snowball. But just like adding a second comforter to your bed makes you warmer, adding CO2 to the atmosphere heats up the Earth."

... we explained that the second greenhouse gas "comforter" is more like an electric blanket that keeps radiating heat long after we're warmed up? And we're wrapped up inside it like a straitjacket, so we can't turn it off or get out from under it? So we overheat -- and die of heat stroke?

We have to get across, in our metaphors and analogies, that the global warming / climate change emergency is urgent -- and deadly.

And why don't deniers/skeptics/ignorers/delayers simply talk to the millions of people *in other parts of the world* who are losing their lives and their livelihoods, their food security and water sources, their homes and their entire homelands -- because of the effects of global warming and climate change?

How can one (half of one) nation be so !#%& insular?
11:58 PM on 02/18/2010
Scientists tell us we are maybe less than ten years away from a civilization ending peak oil and climate crisis. With nuclear power, there is a way out but the Nuclear Deniers are like NASA brass. They want their windmills and solar cells and rather than learning they act like spoiled children doing their best to drive us over that climate precipice.

A worldwide investment in 10000 mass produce nuclear reactors would be paid for by and would end fossil fuel use, eliminate most air pollution saving millions of lives, end the global warming/ peak oil problem with a 100% elimination of GHG's within a ten year time frame, is a great investment making the economy more efficient, a wonderful job producing economy boost, requires only a small part of our industrial capacity, and pays for itself in less than three years.

Cons and Deniers and thinking progressives could embrace it. Its politically possible.

The US with an $2500B nominal investment in nuclear power paid for by quickly weaning itself off its $1000B annual fossil fuel bill could it. Unfortunately it is crippled by inefficient private power companies, a biased Nuclear Rejection Commission and corrupt and litigious political and legal systems, quadrupling nuclear costs and time frames. Obama has the authority to order a single nationwide license, replace the Nuclear Rejection Commission, and build nukes replacing coal plants without state or local review using a national public power utility like the TVA
01:27 AM on 02/19/2010
"build nukes replacing coal plants without state or local review using a national public power utility like the TVA"

That's a little too much power for one organization. For all their faults, local control is why there are city councils, state legislatures, and congressional representatives.

Nuclear power works by distilling background radiation into concentrated hazardous waste. Of course, its safety history is fairly good - the two most distinguishing accidents being due to flawed design or incompetence.

What happens with all the waste? Can that many more plants be run safely?

Wind, solar, geothermal, bio, and efficiency all have a place.
11:59 AM on 02/18/2010
i think it the change is needed world wide all countries, but if you clog all the holes in a sinking boat but allow just a few small holes to remain for some countries to catch up what is the point as all i have heard we are at the brink so to listen to the experts if it isn't done asap its to late.
11:30 AM on 02/18/2010
Global warming is a joke; a bad joke.

Everyone knows its a hoax.
09:43 AM on 02/19/2010
You are right in a sense. It is a joke, RedLeg, but the joke's on humanity. It's almost as if Earth has a sense of humor, albeit a very dark one...
11:26 AM on 02/18/2010
Love the Post and the comments. Ignorance is the root of much evil. Love of money, the rest. I usually try to turn talk of 'carbon footprint' - a concept most Americans simply don't have the nec. science edu. to understand - into talk about breathing clean air: Which would you prefer, living in a closed,smoke-filled room or in an open, fresh air filled room? The choice is simple. One set of actions leads to deep breathing, another to suffocation. I don't think most people actually believe humanity can affect an entire PLANET.
As to education in this country, it faces two major obstacles in my opinion. One is that standards and curriculum are fragmented by "States' Rights" instead of being unified at the Federal level. The second is that it is funded largely by local property taxes instead of by federal income tax. The latter would insure everyone pay a share, including commercial institutions. It could easily come from the (gasp!) defense budget with no loss of security. Everyone used to know that Yankee Intelligence won the Revolution, not firepower.
But my opinions are the product of an American education and high CO2 atmosphere, so who knows?
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11:18 AM on 02/18/2010
Since radical population reductions and economic contractions are out of the question in remedying the climate change issues, achieving the nuclear powered Hydrogen Economy is necessary now. Hydrogen energy facilities will provide the clean and intensive energy necessary to create sustainable development of a modern economy. The attendant infrastructure projects and job mobilization will serve economic recovery.

The immediate threat to the population now is the contraction of production, chronic unemployment, foreclosures, homelessness and bankruptcies, brought on by the collapsing operation of the monetary financial crisis. Increasing the populations energy intensity and production per capita is essential.

NASA space exploration programs must be expanded to increase our science driven economic priorities. The technological derivatives will benefit the population for generations. NASA is the source of the nation's strength. It's benefits to the nation are incalculable and must be vigorously defended.
11:32 AM on 02/18/2010
Very true! But the average American can only see rockets and smoke, and can't connect point A to point B without their GPS ;-)
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09:20 AM on 02/18/2010
An excellent post! Since the need is for rapid reduction in fossil fuel usage, a path is open that can garner broad support as it need not mention climate.

Consider the possibility that triple digit oil prices caused the current economic crisis.

We appear to be headed for them in a matter months once again.

See the article: High Oil Prices May Soon Threaten the Economy at http://www.aesopinstitute.org

Revolutionary science indicates oil can be replaced by ordinary water, one barrel of H2O providing as much energy as 200 barrels of oil.

See the article "Newly Discovered Hydrinos can Provide Cheap Power for the World" at www.american-reporter.com

The story is really about fractional Hydrogen. We are also developing this little known and less believed new source of energy.

Two independent laboratory validations of fractional Hydrogen have taken place. More are needed. National labs would be an excellent venue.

Our goal is fractional Hydrogen as fuel for hybrid cars. A few gallons of water appear likely to provide sufficient fuel for 1,000 miles of driving.

Cars and trucks fueled by water will be able to become power plants when suitably parked, selling electricity to the local utility. No wires needed.

These vehicles might pay for themselves!

It is much easier to see widespread support for rapidly superseding oil.

Since cars as power plants can replace all the fossil fuels, the challenge is to accelerate development and mass production of radically new technologies.
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09:38 AM on 02/18/2010
True - but the "real" question is - - Who will bail out the oil companies, wall street and the commodities brokers for their lost revenues - It'll be tough to play futures on the price of a barrel of saltwater? The real energy driving this planet is profit and until the driving force becomes otherwise, there is no chance for the success of alternate energy sources.

Ron's quote Du-Jour:
"Run Sarah Run - Where Where Where"
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06:58 AM on 02/18/2010
Shuttle program that is....
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06:58 AM on 02/18/2010
Both on the way out.
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07:01 AM on 02/18/2010
the Shuttle program that is.
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06:35 AM on 02/18/2010
Great Analogy! I would also compare Climate Change to Toyotas: Accelerating out of control until the government steps in a puts a stop to it! The subtle difference in Toyota, though, is that the engineers were complicit in their horrible designs. To me engineers are as bad as bankers and must be treated as such.
07:58 AM on 02/18/2010
"To me engineers are as bad as bankers and must be treated as such." Honestly? Did you read the article? The Challenger investigation pointed out that the launch decision was reached by IGNORING the warnings of the engineers.

As we learn more about the Toyota problem (and you couldn't possibly know enough to draw a credible conclusion at this stage), let's see how probable it is that engineers were able to FORCE management to accept a flawed design, or ignore warnings and resist a recall. Those evil engineers ...
08:12 AM on 02/18/2010
I don't find Toyota's response to be particularly different from other automakers. It's just that Toyota was in a naturally more vulnerable position once this came out. Therefore, the consequence for them is multiplied.

In Toyota's offices meetings are held to discuss quality and production issues. There would have been reports that included these problems along with others. The top issues get addressed - the rest get assigned numbers which subsequently receive little attention. Were someone to bring it up, someone else would compare that to some other issue where the cost / benefit is 1/10 the gas pedal problem. With limited resources, as time goes by problems like this simply don't get elevated.

In manufacturing or engineering meetings there are charts and graphs that cover the cost, how to reduce cost, and how to get it done faster. The people who achieve the cost and deadline results get promoted. It's a replicating system driven by positive feedback. Those who would seek to delay the schedule, spend money on a more expensive alternative, or pursue some obscure line of tests are briefly tolerated, then relegated to the sidelines.

In some ways it's a side-effect of Just-In-Time delivery and standard parts. The same steering rack, brake, pedal, sensor, AC, and other assemblies are used across many models over the course of many years. This makes it vital that they are correct - but it also makes it that much more expensive to address a problem when it comes up.
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RonK Michigan
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09:50 AM on 02/18/2010
Not really. I worked in a company's engineering department for 27 years. The engineers to a man/woman, ALWAYS wanted to fix all known problems. It was 100% the bean counters and actuarials(sp?) that always did a cost analysis to determine the costs involved with repair vs the possible losses involved with "as-designed" that determined if things were to be repaired or not. These people NEVER took into account public opinion losses (a.k.a. Toyota). Nor could they accurately predict the numbers of people that would actually experience the problem (they were flat wrong a BUNCH).
09:10 AM on 02/18/2010
Why must engineers be needlessly demonized. I find the toxic environment toward any hard working professional today very discouraging. Yes, there are bad apples. Yes, there are deficiencies in many facets of life that require improvement. But why use these negatives to demonize a huge profession that has undoubtedly made life far better for mankind than would have occurred otherwise? I see conservatives treating scientists the exact same way. Let's be careful on these demonizing generalizations, please.
06:08 PM on 02/18/2010
It is possible to see "failure" in operational systems (cars, computer programs, rockets). Those who are so bloody crazy as to take on the responsibility to actually design and make real things are the ones who get the blame.

I think this is one reason why being in management is so popular: It's much more difficult to prove responsibility for systemic failure on those who only supervise the work, rather than doing the work. Naturally, once in management, it's only a short step to explaining to the whole world that you're more valuable because you have "management skills".

I have met and very much appreciated the hard work of several managers I've met in my 35 year career. I have met and despise the lies and fraud of many more of the managers I've met in that same career.

The further a manager is from the actual work, the more likely that manager's responsibility is dissociated from authority: That is the cause of great difficulty in large organizations.
02:12 AM on 02/18/2010
Molecular weight of H2O-18, nytrogen-28, Oxygen-32, carbon dioxide (CO2)-44.
It takes 1 kcal to heat 1kg of water;
----------539 kcal to evaporate 1 kg of water.
Water vapor as lighter than most gases are going up to cloud level, where condensation released energy, but it happen on 2-7 miles close to space, where energy will go to space more easely than from ground level.
In atmosphere we always have water droplets (fog, clouds and partical which mostly responsible for visibillities. Evaporation of these water droplets also cooling the atmosohere.
WHY WE ALWAYS SPEAK ABOUT WATER VAPOR AND FORGET ABOUT WATER DROPLETS AND EVAPORATION OF WATER FROM GROUND LEVEL?

WAKE UP PEOPLE, IT IS DANGEROUS MISTAKES.
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02:49 AM on 02/18/2010
Yes, exactly, dangerous! But ... what's your point? Mistakes to do what?
09:24 AM on 02/18/2010
When we simplify explanation of reason for climate change we are giving to our Government only one direction-reduce GHG.
Full picture of reason will bring others tools to fight climate change if it is happen.
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TJCole
01:06 AM on 02/18/2010
Good analogy using the needless Shuttle disaster...

We also must remember that, that too had a fiscal motivation if you recall Reagan wanted the Shuttle to become a money generating entity that paid for itself and had applied his failed ruinous economics too NASA..!

The financial considerations are also at play in regard to the Global Warming issue and pending catastrophe...

People people who watch Fox News believe the satellites showing Ice vanishing all over the world are some sort of liberal plot and exaggeration...
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TJCole
02:11 AM on 02/18/2010
Watch this nothing you've ever seen before, or any other...

Extreme Ice...PBS...Nova...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/extremeice
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RonK Michigan
Half of the people you know are below average
07:08 AM on 02/18/2010
How can there be a profit hauling military/space station "junk" up into the sky - The government going to pay itself or make sense in anything else it does?

Example - Yesterday, I received a letter from the Census Bureau stating that I will soon be receiving a letter containing my census forms from the Census Bureau..
Anyone understand the logic therein?
12:50 AM on 02/18/2010
This is an outstanding blog entry with an eloquent defense of taking the threat of climate change seriously. I find that any rational being would agree with what is written above. As an atmospheric scientist myself, I find that the scientific accuracy of the article is correct. The only thing that I do worry about is that we are still a few decades away from particularly convincing in situ evidence that will overwhelm the denialist strategies that are currently very successful. For example, we have a good idea that natural variability is strong on decadal scales - indeed, we are in a period of relatively little global warming - this can easily be explained as a response to a strong negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation, and add in some substantial La Ninas before this latest El Nino episode, you have a strong cooling signal found in many areas of the globe, especially over northeastern North America. These strong natural variations will continue, with cool and warm decades. But I fear we may have to wait a few more decades before people actually can *really* see that the overall global temperature is going up. Same thing with sea levels. Anyway, the test of time shall vindicate many of the central principles of climate science. Climate science might lose in the short term though. In fact, with Republican victories in 2010/2012, we may see a catastrophic shortage of funding to continue the necessary research into resolving important questions in climate science.
12:58 AM on 02/18/2010
Climate change is real, the same as human responsibilities for it.
Problems with authors and your explanation why it is happen?
Both of you absolutely ignore properties of water, which actually could fight climate change and because of poor explanation like these our Government used wrong tools to fight climate change.
This is very dangerous direction, sorry to inform you about that.
09:02 AM on 02/18/2010
Not sure I follow. You are somehow proposing to use water to geo-engineer the climate? And I'm not sure I follow how you are implying that I'm ignoring the properties of water in the first place. Of course water is an integral part of climate, from the oceans, to water vapor, to clouds and precipitation. These are a central component of climate change theory. Now, if you are implicitly pointing to the deficiencies of GCMs in handling clouds (which are, of course, extremely important for our surface radiation balance), then you have a valid concern. This is a central focus of the climate community at this time. Still, our best estimates show a net warming with our constituent greenhouse gases (including water vapor). Or perhaps you are referring to the recent Science paper by Solomon et al that has found a decrease in stratospheric water vapor, perhaps a consequence of changes in the tropospheric convection, which has put another brake on simple global warming from CO2. Water is a major question that continues to receive a lot of attention in climate research, no question about that. But I don't see how this invalidates the central tenets of the above blog entry or my post.
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campaignman
11:51 PM on 02/17/2010
Excellent observation.
12:13 AM on 02/18/2010
What you found excellent?
Author forget about properties of water which actually cool the atmosphere.
12:45 AM on 02/18/2010
Dear Disuberence2, you provide site which look only on water vapor.
In atmosphere we have also water droplets in form of fog, clouds and particles, which together with pollen, dust, etc, responsible for visibilities.
Their evaporation, the same as evaporation of water on ground level actually cool the earth.
Your site also do not mention, that water vapor as lighter than most gases in atmosphere transport heat to cloud level, where condensation released heat close to space on 2-5 miles.
It heat will go to space more easely, than from ground level.
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10:12 PM on 02/17/2010
I think that the increase in CO2 is going to continue to happen. That is, unless we get smarter about energy, how we produce it, what we use, and so forth. The world contains some 6.8 billion people, slated to increase to approximately 7 billion by 2011, next year, or in 2012, the year after. People exhale carbon dioxide. The many things we burn give off carbon dioxide, and carbon monoxide, and other chemicals that become airborne, and stay there. They are the byproduct of industry, and industry is what feeds us, clothes us, houses us, even entertains us.

Now, question: Does the author think that, no matter how dire the climate news, that one single person on this earth is going to park their car, shut off the heat in their homes, cut the breakers off, and stoically try to stand against global warming? Because I don't think that's going to happen. I think instead, we'll see a progressive increase in industry, energy use, and so forth, accompanying population growth. Question is, what fixes carbon, how fast can plants absorb carbon, and what will we do when there's so much that it doesn't do any good to do anything, anymore? Besides pray.
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10:21 PM on 02/17/2010
You question doesn'make sense the way asked, but yes to answer your question. Hopefully one person at a time, people will move to a net-zero carbon output by utilizing green technologies to power their own cars, homes, and businesses. To pray is stupid. pray to what?