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Dan Solin

Posted: November 24, 2009 07:37 PM

Does "Dr. Doom" Believe His Own Press?

What's Your Reaction:

I give great credit to NYU economics professor Nouriel Roubini. Unless you reside on another planet, you know that he correctly predicted the mortgage-related crash.

Recently, "Dr. Doom" warned about a coming market correction. He believes "markets have gone up too much, too soon, too fast."

Should investors rely on Professor Roubini's crystal ball?

In its December 11, 2008 issue, Fortune Magazine featured a story entitled: "8 really, really scary predictions."

Titles that inspire fear and panic sell magazines. This fact is not lost on Fortune and others in the financial media.

Here is Professor Roubini's prediction for 2009:

For the next 12 months I would stay away from risky assets. I would stay away from the stock market. I would stay away from commodities. I would stay away from credit, both high-yield and high-grade. I would stay in cash or cashlike instruments such as short-term or longer-term government bonds. It's better to stay in things with low returns rather than to lose 50% of your wealth. You should preserve capital. It'll be hard and challenging enough. I wish I could be more cheerful, but I was right a year ago, and I think I'll be right this year too.

Year to date, the S&P 500 is up 23.99%; the Dow is up 17.73% and the Nasdaq is up a whopping 36.76%.

The S&P GSCI index, which benchmarks investment performance in the commodity markets, is up 11.65%. Industrial metals are up 68.87%.

In stark contrast, 12 month U.S. Treasuries are yielding 0.26%. Longer term (10 year) Treasuries are yielding 3.37%.

Clearly, Professor Roubini was right about 2008, but he was dead wrong about 2009.

As I indicated in last week's blog, his equally well credentialed colleague, Wharton professor and author, Jeremy Siegel, was shockingly wide of the mark with his 2008 stock market predictions.

Of course, professors, economists and others have a right to make predictions. The financial media has every right to print them. The problem is that so many investors rely on them, when they are nothing more than voodoo science.

That's really, really scary!

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I give great credit to NYU economics professor Nouriel Roubini. Unless you reside on another planet, you know that he correctly predicted the mortgage-related crash. Recently, "Dr. Doom" warned abou...
I give great credit to NYU economics professor Nouriel Roubini. Unless you reside on another planet, you know that he correctly predicted the mortgage-related crash. Recently, "Dr. Doom" warned abou...
 
 
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09:01 PM on 11/29/2009
Roubini is always right...except I think America will be a third world country in 12 months..The dollar is being devalued down to toilet paper and all our jobs have gone off-shore. The corporations are in full control of our government and Goldman Saks is in full munipulation mode of the stock market.(Now being a bank, they get free money from the Fed and day trade it in the stock market at the tax payer's risk)...
02:48 PM on 11/25/2009
Wait, so his advice is to stay in safer investments during times of economic uncertainty….AND this gets the guy press??
09:19 AM on 11/25/2009
Roubini is a master at self -promotion, yes. Economics? Not so much. Yes. He predicted the crash. But he had been predicting it every day for the past decade and he was right once but wrong a few thousand times. He is in the same class as Meredith Whitney. They both made one lucky guess amidts a career of being wrong and are now becoming more and more shrill as they try to cling to their 15 minutes.


They are kind of like pagliacci-type clowns. People expect them to put out doom and gloom prognostications so they do; and they become more and more dire as they receive less and less attention in order to try and please.
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07:58 AM on 11/25/2009
I'm no economist, but will the fact that banks aren't lending have the same effect as the government contracting cash in the last depression?
09:21 AM on 11/25/2009
The banks not lending is a relatively easy fix by teh government. The banks aren't klending because there is a sword of damocles hanging over their head in that the government keeps threatening to raise capital levels but won't tell anyone by how much or when. So banks have to hoard cash until they know if Tier 1 capital is going to be raised from 4% to 6% or from 4% to 40%.
11:33 PM on 11/24/2009
No, Roubini was correct. The investments he mentioned that should have been avoided should still be avoided. He knew the market was going to bubble which it is, and he knew that it would bust. Very simply most of those gains will be wiped out for a number of reasons. Now if you are a well heeled and slick trader you could make hay with this bubble but most people first of all do not understand that this is a bubble and thus would not know how to play the game. You also need good timing so that you know when to jump off the roller coaster. Oh, yes, in one sense you could really do some interesting things now but you have to have very big money and you need more than expert timing and valuation skills. I do not think you understood what Roubini was saying. He did not say that stock prices would not rise or that commodities prices would not rise. He said very simply to stay away from them. Why? Cause it is a bubble. Basically if you are not a poker player stay out of this game as Roubini suggests. I should add that Roubini does not use a crystal ball but he does use very simple common sense.
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07:28 AM on 11/25/2009
Roubini advised investors in December, 2008 to avoid the stock markets "for the next 12 months." This prediction was dead wrong. The markets may or may not tank in the future. It is not "simple common sense" to assume we are in a stock market bubble. No one knows.
10:05 AM on 11/25/2009
How is it not common sense we are in a stock market bubble? The S&P 500 P/E ratio at 145. Fed Funds Rate is less than a quarter %. Financial institutions are borrowing cheap money and have dumped into the market which has created the run up in prices.

It is clear as day.
06:33 PM on 11/25/2009
The criticism of Roubini's December 2008 comments are silly because his prediction was made before the Fed announcement that they were going to print $1.5 trillion in new money. That move by the Fed changed everyone's prediction the moment it was made. The Fed bought over half of all the treasuries from March 'til the program ended in September or so and has been buying up all the bad mortgage paper and keeping mortgage rates at record lows. In late 2008 the mortgage rate was 6.5%. Now it is 4.7%. This is why homes have been moving. And the buying up of all the bad mortgage paper has allowed banks to survive and some new lending to continue, plus has freed up money from former mortgage paper holders to buy other things - like debt or even equities.
11:12 PM on 11/24/2009
CDS investment insurance is still legal, and still swamps the real market by 10 times.

It will crash.
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09:20 PM on 11/24/2009
The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. So Roubini is likely right, just early with his predictions. The market is way overpriced and will correct horribly any day.
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09:09 PM on 11/24/2009
I agree that Roubini was right in 2007. But he was terribly wrong with his 2009 predictions. Investors should not rely on market timing predictions. Investors who have less than a 5 year time horizon should not be exposed to any market risk. Investing is, by definition, for the long term. If you are concerned about the short term, you are gambling and not investing.
09:35 PM on 11/24/2009
Roubini was dead wrong about staying out of stocks for all of 2009, but telling the avg investor to get out of equities now is not a bad idea. An investor certainly shouldn't be getting in now.

There are many potentially very bad scenarios that could be lingering right over the horizon. From a fiscal disaster (bankruptcy) in any one of several states (or multiple states), to the collapse of an Eastern European country or Western European bank, to sudden weakness or even a collapse in China (which I expect in time), to the collapse of another US bank (Citi for example is insolvent if they followed true market to market accounting), to the impending commercial real estate disaster that will take out some major regionals, to another down leg in consumer spending and housing which will result in another downleg in unemployment (household survey showed 550,000 jobs lost last month) and foreclosures and lead to more failed banks, etc.etc - all these could lead to significantly lower equity values.

As far as the current yield on US treasuries, it doesn't matter how low they are. It's the price that matters, and that price will go up substantially if the equity market sells off. Short term paper has already gone up dramatically in recent weeks, and up exponentially from a few years ago.
08:29 PM on 11/24/2009
Dan, hate to pick at nits here, but isn't Roubini doing what you tell us we should all be doing with our index funds--looking at the long term? If people moved into the market this year hoping to catch some of the dead cat swing and then became complacent, I'll bet that by this time next year Roubini's guesstimate will be right on and those poor folks will be huge losers. As you've told us over and over--timing the market is for suckers. If you got out when Roubini suggested, you'd still have more in your account than if you'd stayed for the crash and this suckers rally. Agree?