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Luc Montagnier, Nobel Prize Winner, Takes Homeopathy Seriously

Posted: 01/30/11 11:49 AM ET

Dr. Luc Montagnier, the French virologist who won the Nobel Prize in 2008 for discovering the AIDS virus, has surprised the scientific community with his strong support for homeopathic medicine.

In a remarkable interview published in Science magazine of December 24, 2010, (1) Professor Luc Montagnier, has expressed support for the often maligned and misunderstood medical specialty of homeopathic medicine. Although homeopathy has persisted for 200+ years throughout the world and has been the leading alternative treatment method used by physicians in Europe, (2) most conventional physicians and scientists have expressed skepticism about its efficacy due to the extremely small doses of medicines used.

Most clinical research conducted on homeopathic medicines that has been published in peer-review journals have shown positive clinical results,(3, 4) especially in the treatment of respiratory allergies (5, 6), influenza, (7) fibromyalgia, (8, 9) rheumatoid arthritis, (10) childhood diarrhea, (11) post-surgical abdominal surgery recovery, (12) attention deficit disorder, (13) and reduction in the side effects of conventional cancer treatments. (14) In addition to clinical trials, several hundred basic science studies have confirmed the biological activity of homeopathic medicines. One type of basic science trials, called in vitro studies, found 67 experiments (1/3 of them replications) and nearly 3/4 of all replications were positive. (15, 16)

In addition to the wide variety of basic science evidence and clinical research, further evidence for homeopathy resides in the fact that they gained widespread popularity in the U.S. and Europe during the 19th century due to the impressive results people experienced in the treatment of epidemics that raged during that time, including cholera, typhoid, yellow fever, scarlet fever, and influenza.

Montagnier, who is also founder and president of the World Foundation for AIDS Research and Prevention, asserted, "I can't say that homeopathy is right in everything. What I can say now is that the high dilutions (used in homeopathy) are right. High dilutions of something are not nothing. They are water structures which mimic the original molecules."

Here, Montagnier is making reference to his experimental research that confirms one of the controversial features of homeopathic medicine that uses doses of substances that undergo sequential dilution with vigorous shaking in-between each dilution. Although it is common for modern-day scientists to assume that none of the original molecules remain in solution, Montagnier's research (and other of many of his colleagues) has verified that electromagnetic signals of the original medicine remains in the water and has dramatic biological effects.

Montagnier has just taken a new position at Jiaotong University in Shanghai, China (this university is often referred to as "China's MIT"), where he will work in a new institute bearing his name. This work focuses on a new scientific movement at the crossroads of physics, biology, and medicine: the phenomenon of electromagnetic waves produced by DNA in water. He and his team will study both the theoretical basis and the possible applications in medicine.

Montagnier's new research is investigating the electromagnetic waves that he says emanate from the highly diluted DNA of various pathogens. Montagnier asserts, "What we have found is that DNA produces structural changes in water, which persist at very high dilutions, and which lead to resonant electromagnetic signals that we can measure. Not all DNA produces signals that we can detect with our device. The high-intensity signals come from bacterial and viral DNA."

Montagnier affirms that these new observations will lead to novel treatments for many common chronic diseases, including but not limited to autism, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, and multiple sclerosis.

Montagnier first wrote about his findings in 2009, (17) and then, in mid-2010, he spoke at a prestigious meeting of fellow Nobelists where he expressed interest in homeopathy and the implications of this system of medicine. (18)

French retirement laws do not allow Montagnier, who is 78 years of age, to work at a public institute, thereby limiting access to research funding. Montagnier acknowledges that getting research funds from Big Pharma and certain other conventional research funding agencies is unlikely due to the atmosphere of antagonism to homeopathy and natural treatment options.

Support from Another Nobel Prize winner

Montagnier's new research evokes memories one of the most sensational stories in French science, often referred to as the 'Benveniste affair.' A highly respected immunologist Dr. Jacques Benveniste., who died in 2004, conducted a study which was replicated in three other university laboratories and that was published in Nature (19). Benveniste and other researchers used extremely diluted doses of substances that created an effect on a type of white blood cell called basophils.

Although Benveniste's work was supposedly debunked, (20) Montagnier considers Benveniste a "modern Galileo" who was far ahead of his day and time and who was attacked for investigating a medical and scientific subject that orthodoxy had mistakenly overlooked and even demonized.

In addition to Benveniste and Montagnier is the weighty opinion of Brian Josephson, Ph.D., who, like Montagnier, is a Nobel Prize-winning scientist.

Responding to an article on homeopathy in New Scientist, Josephson wrote:

Regarding your comments on claims made for homeopathy: criticisms centered around the vanishingly small number of solute molecules present in a solution after it has been repeatedly diluted are beside the point, since advocates of homeopathic remedies attribute their effects not to molecules present in the water, but to modifications of the water's structure.


Simple-minded analysis may suggest that water, being a fluid, cannot have a structure of the kind that such a picture would demand. But cases such as that of liquid crystals, which while flowing like an ordinary fluid can maintain an ordered structure over macroscopic distances, show the limitations of such ways of thinking. There have not, to the best of my knowledge, been any refutations of homeopathy that remain valid after this particular point is taken into account.


A related topic is the phenomenon, claimed by Jacques Benveniste's colleague Yolène Thomas and by others to be well established experimentally, known as "memory of water." If valid, this would be of greater significance than homeopathy itself, and it attests to the limited vision of the modern scientific community that, far from hastening to test such claims, the only response has been to dismiss them out of hand. (21)

Following his comments Josephson, who is an emeritus professor of Cambridge University in England, was asked by New Scientist editors how he became an advocate of unconventional ideas. He responded:

I went to a conference where the French immunologist Jacques Benveniste was talking for the first time about his discovery that water has a 'memory' of compounds that were once dissolved in it -- which might explain how homeopathy works. His findings provoked irrationally strong reactions from scientists, and I was struck by how badly he was treated. (22)

Josephson went on to describe how many scientists today suffer from "pathological disbelief;" that is, they maintain an unscientific attitude that is embodied by the statement "even if it were true I wouldn't believe it."

Even more recently, Josephson wryly responded to the chronic ignorance of homeopathy by its skeptics saying, "The idea that water can have a memory can be readily refuted by any one of a number of easily understood, invalid arguments."

In the new interview in Science, Montagnier also expressed real concern about the unscientific atmosphere that presently exists on certain unconventional subjects such as homeopathy, "I am told that some people have reproduced Benveniste's results, but they are afraid to publish it because of the intellectual terror from people who don't understand it."

Montagnier concluded the interview when asked if he is concerned that he is drifting into pseudoscience, he replied adamantly: "No, because it's not pseudoscience. It's not quackery. These are real phenomena which deserve further study."

The Misinformation That Skeptics Spread

It is remarkable enough that many skeptics of homeopathy actually say that there is "no research" that has shows that homeopathic medicines work. Such statements are clearly false, and yet, such assertions are common on the Internet and even in some peer-review articles. Just a little bit of searching can uncover many high quality studies that have been published in highly respected medical and scientific journals, including the Lancet, BMJ, Pediatrics, Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal, Chest and many others. Although some of these same journals have also published research with negative results to homeopathy, there is simply much more research that shows a positive rather than negative effect.

Misstatements and misinformation on homeopathy are predictable because this system of medicine provides a viable and significant threat to economic interests in medicine, let alone to the very philosophy and worldview of biomedicine. It is therefore not surprising that the British Medical Association had the sheer audacity to refer to homeopathy as "witchcraft." It is quite predictable that when one goes on a witch hunt, one inevitable finds "witches," especially when there are certain benefits to demonizing a potential competitor (homeopathy plays a much larger and more competitive role in Europe than it does in the USA).

Skeptics of homeopathy also have long asserted that homeopathic medicines have "nothing" in them because they are diluted too much. However, new research conducted at the respected Indian Institutes of Technology has confirmed the presence of "nanoparticles" of the starting materials even at extremely high dilutions. Researchers have demonstrated by Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM), electron diffraction and chemical analysis by Inductively Coupled Plasma-Atomic Emission Spectroscopy (ICP-AES), the presence of physical entities in these extreme dilutions. (24) In the light of this research, it can now be asserted that anyone who says or suggests that there is "nothing" in homeopathic medicines is either simply uninformed or is not being honest.

Because the researchers received confirmation of the existence of nanoparticles at two different homeopathic high potencies (30C and 200C) and because they tested four different medicines (Zincum met./zinc; Aurum met. /gold; Stannum met./tin; and Cuprum met./copper), the researchers concluded that this study provides "concrete evidence."

Although skeptics of homeopathy may assume that homeopathic doses are still too small to have any biological action, such assumptions have also been proven wrong. The multi-disciplinary field of small dose effects is called "hormesis," and approximately 1,000 studies from a wide variety of scientific specialties have confirmed significant and sometimes substantial biological effects from extremely small doses of certain substances on certain biological systems.

A special issue of the peer-review journal, Human and Experimental Toxicology (July 2010), devoted itself to the interface between hormesis and homeopathy. (25) The articles in this issue verify the power of homeopathic doses of various substances.

In closing, it should be noted that skepticism of any subject is important to the evolution of science and medicine. However, as noted above by Nobelist Brian Josephson, many scientists have a "pathological disbelief" in certain subjects that ultimately create an unhealthy and unscientific attitude blocks real truth and real science. Skepticism is at its best when its advocates do not try to cut off research or close down conversation of a subject but instead explore possible new (or old) ways to understand and verify strange but compelling phenomena. We all have this challenge as we explore and evaluate the biological and clinical effects of homeopathic medicines.


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(2) Ullman D. Homeopathic Medicine: Europe's #1 Alternative for Doctors. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/homeopathic-medicine-euro_b_402490.html

(3) Linde L, Clausius N, Ramirez G, et al., "Are the Clinical Effects of Homoeopathy Placebo Effects? A Meta-analysis of Placebo-Controlled Trials," Lancet, September 20, 1997, 350:834-843.

(4) Lüdtke R, Rutten ALB. The conclusions on the effectiveness of homeopathy highly depend on the set of analyzed trials. Journal of Clinical Epidemiology. October 2008. doi: 10.1016/j.jclinepi.2008.06/015.

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(7) Vickers AJ. Homoeopathic Oscillococcinum for preventing and treating influenza and influenza-like syndromes. Cochrane Reviews. 2009.

(8) Bell IR, Lewis II DA, Brooks AJ, et al. Improved clinical status in fibromyalgia patients treated with individualized homeopathic remedies versus placebo, Rheumatology. 2004:1111-5.

(9) Fisher P, Greenwood A, Huskisson EC, et al., "Effect of Homoeopathic Treatment on Fibrositis (Primary Fibromyalgia)," BMJ, 299(August 5, 1989):365-6.

(10) Jonas, WB, Linde, Klaus, and Ramirez, Gilbert, "Homeopathy and Rheumatic Disease," Rheumatic Disease Clinics of North America, February 2000,1:117-123.

(11) Jacobs J, Jonas WB, Jimenez-Perez M, Crothers D, Homeopathy for Childhood Diarrhea: Combined Results and Metaanalysis from Three Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trials, Pediatr Infect Dis J, 2003;22:229-34.

(12) Barnes, J, Resch, KL, Ernst, E, "Homeopathy for Post-Operative Ileus: A Meta-Analysis," Journal of Clinical Gastroenterology, 1997, 25: 628-633.

(13) M, Thurneysen A. Homeopathic treatment of children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder: a randomised, double blind, placebo controlled crossover trial. Eur J Pediatr. 2005 Dec;164(12):758-67. Epub 2005 Jul 27.

(14) Kassab S, Cummings M, Berkovitz S, van Haselen R, Fisher P. Homeopathic medicines for adverse effects of cancer treatments. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2009, Issue 2.

(15) Witt CM, Bluth M, Albrecht H, Weisshuhn TE, Baumgartner S, Willich SN. The in vitro evidence for an effect of high homeopathic potencies--a systematic review of the literature. Complement Ther Med. 2007 Jun;15(2):128-38. Epub 2007 Mar 28.

(16) Endler PC, Thieves K, Reich C, Matthiessen P, Bonamin L, Scherr C, Baumgartner S. Repetitions of fundamental research models for homeopathically prepared dilutions beyond 10-23: a bibliometric study. Homeopathy, 2010; 99: 25-36.

(17) Luc Montagnier, Jamal Aissa, Stéphane Ferris, Jean-Luc Montagnier, Claude Lavallee, Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences. Interdiscip Sci Comput Life Sci (2009) 1: 81-90.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/0557v31188m3766x/fulltext.pdf

(18) Nobel laureate gives homeopathy a boost. The Australian. July 5, 2010. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/nobel-laureate-gives-homeopathy-a-boost/story-e6frg8y6-1225887772305

(19) Davenas E, Beauvais F, Amara J, et al. (June 1988). "Human basophil degranulation triggered by very dilute antiserum against IgE". Nature 333 (6176): 816-8.

(20) Maddox J (June 1988). "Can a Greek tragedy be avoided?". Nature 333 (6176): 795-7.

(21) Josephson, B. D., Letter, New Scientist, November 1, 1997.

(22) George A. Lone Voices special: Take nobody's word for it. New Scientist. December 9, 2006.

(23) Personal communication. Brian Josephson to Dana Ullman. January 5, 2011.

(24) Chikramane PS, Suresh AK, Bellare JR, and Govind S. Extreme homeopathic dilutions retain starting materials: A nanoparticulate perspective. Homeopathy. Volume 99, Issue 4, October 2010, 231-242.

(25) Human and Experimental Toxicology, July 2010: http://het.sagepub.com/content/vol29/issue7/
To access free copies of these articles, see: http://www.siomi.it/siomifile/siomi_pdf/BELLE_newsletter.pdf


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Dana Ullman, MPH, is America's leading spokesperson for homeopathy and is the founder of www.homeopathic.com . He is the author of 10 books, including his bestseller, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines. His most recent book is, The Homeopathic Revolution: Why Famous People and Cultural Heroes Choose Homeopathy (the Foreword to this book was written by Dr. Peter Fisher, the Physician to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II). Dana lives, practices, and writes from Berkeley, California.

 
 
 

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Dr. Luc Montagnier, the French virologist who won the Nobel Prize in 2008 for discovering the AIDS virus, has surprised the scientific community with his strong support for homeopathic medicine. In ...
Dr. Luc Montagnier, the French virologist who won the Nobel Prize in 2008 for discovering the AIDS virus, has surprised the scientific community with his strong support for homeopathic medicine. In ...
 
 
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02:05 PM on 03/23/2011
Bravo! Beautifully written article! I'm grateful that someone in the scientific community is speaking out about the validity of homeopathy:) THANKS!
03:04 PM on 02/27/2011
All biologicals are cumulatively, synergistically, and systemically toxic and unreasonably dangerous. Homeopathy is a valid health paradigm, and we are quantum-coherent living organisms, as has been elegantly described by Dr. Mae-Wan Ho and Dr. Jean Luc Montagnier.

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/homeopathicSignalsFromDNA.php
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/electromagneticSignalsFromHIV.php?comment=1

Many if not most of the vaccines on the vaccine schedules are designed to be nanoparticulate drug delivery systems to cross biomembranes throughout the body. Neurotoxic metals, e.g. mercury, aluminum, borate, and fluoride, are being delivered across our biomembranes in the brain, heart, lungs, gut, pancreas, and kidneys. Their toxicity is cumulative and synergistic. It’s time that we called-them-out on the “ration of bullsh*t” that they keep feeding us. Inactive ingredients (aka excipients)? This is FRAUD. They are not inactive. They include phase transfer catalysts, ionophores, and neurotoxic metals. It is willful deception of the public.

“Detergents and emulsifiers promote tumors and cause cells to leak or explode by weakening their walls, with no mechanism for regulating destructive activity. Detergents are used extensively in cell research precisely because of their ability to break cells open for further analysis. This catastrophically mimics the membrane attack complex (MAC).”

http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Vaccines/MAC.html
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/data/48/4/662/DC1/13
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf
02:06 PM on 02/25/2011
good information
03:36 AM on 02/16/2011
Luc Montagnier says HIV Can Be Cleared Naturally http://bit.ly/hSLsaF
09:52 PM on 02/12/2011
The FDA was orginally created to protect homeopathy back in 1910 when John D Rockefeller took our hospitals into allopathic medicine (pharmceuticals are an oil derivative).

"A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million. The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.
11:26 PM on 02/12/2011
Kindly provide your sources for:

1) the quoted passage; and,

2) evidence supporting your statement that "pharmceuticals [sic] are an oil derivative".
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01:28 PM on 02/26/2011
The FDA is not a friend of but rather an incessant enemy of homeopathy.
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03:51 PM on 02/11/2011
The best way to support claims is with evidence. This a fallacious appeal to authority. It is irrelevant what one person claims. What matters is the evidence, and the presentati­on by Monatgnier is not evidence that homeopathy works. It doesn't matter whether he takes it seriously or not in determining whether homeopathy works.
06:01 PM on 02/17/2011
What an ignorant reply.

The entire basis of this article is the fact that Montagnier has developed a test which can detect the influence of viral and bacterial DNA in highly diluted solutions (far past Avagadro's number).

The results are entirely reproducible and have been demonstrated. What more evidence do you want?

It is funny you would refute the appeal to authority, since one of the usual criticisms of homeopathy is that "most credible scientists don't think it has merit".

So which is it - the evidence or the credibility? Homeopathy already has evidence, and now it is gaining credibility. So, of course I understand why a dogmatic non-scientist such as yourself would be upset.
11:55 AM on 02/25/2011
The reason why nobody should take into account what one person says is the fact that it can be influenced by said persons prejudices.

Proper scientific evidence which shows an effect greater than placebo doesn't exist. It is claimed above that it does. But in a meta-analysis of all studies which actually don't have flaws in the experimental design show no effect above placebo. It is neither here nor there that you can detect changes in the water. If there is no change in the recover rate compared to placebo it is still hocus pocus.

Truth is, if you can detect the influence of chemicals in highly diluted solutions can you not think of all the "influences" every time you have drank a glass of tap water (I'm thinking about the products we dilute every time we flush the loo) . Lets just say that every glass of tap water probably contains as much influence as a homeopathic remedy. Therefore screw paying extortionate amounts for sugar pill unproven to work, you will get the same result from tap water....enjoy.
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02:20 PM on 02/10/2011
The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe has a podcast section (Jan 31, 2011) that rips this article to pieces. Excellent.
11:27 PM on 02/12/2011
Thanks for the recommendation. The podcast was entertaining.
09:27 PM on 02/06/2011
Articles by advocates of homeopathy belong in the Entertainment, and not the Health, section of the website.
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08:44 PM on 02/12/2011
Articles by lawyers belong in the lobbyist section of the website. : -)
10:57 PM on 02/12/2011
There is no lobbyist section of the website. In any event, posting an article is not lobbying, which is attempting to persuade a politician to make a decision preferred by the lobbyist or the person/interest group represented by the lobbyist. Most lawyers are not lobbyists and most lobbyists are not lawyers. Please explain your reasoning.
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03:08 AM on 02/06/2011
I find it ironically funny that all the denigrators of homeopathy as a placebo are simply using allopathy and their miserable understandings of both science and homeopathics as placebos for their own close-mindedness...
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05:49 AM on 02/06/2011
perhaps you could make a constructive, concrete point int here somewhere? obvbiously those who disagree, the vast majority of nobel laureates and scientists, don't agree that its "close-minded" to reject ideas that have been systematically disproved and violate basic chemistry.
03:33 PM on 02/05/2011
I meant embrace
03:29 PM on 02/05/2011
Mr. Ullman uncritically promotes Homeopathy for his own personal gain. His evidence is destroyed by the most basic of logical arguments. The evidence he references is and has been shown to be seriously flawed. Shame on the Huffington Post for considering this worthy of being called "Health news". The headline should be "Luc Montagnier, Nobel prize winner, tarnishes his legacy with enbrace of pseudoscience".
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03:27 PM on 02/06/2011
These are slurs. You may be trying to make Dana Ullman lose his temper.
Clearly the pharmaceutical companies have much more to lose in the system they dominate with their lobbyists than does alternative medicine. & calls on authority to stop the tides of knowledge fail throughout history.
Altogether I find rejoinder from the skeptic set close-minded to the point of being inquisitional. You are the kind of people I try politely to avoid at a party.
09:05 PM on 02/06/2011
What, exactly, is your issue with people demanding that homeopaths--or anybody else--be capable of providing reliable, reproducible and methodologically sound evidence as to the efficacy of a treatment or product that they are marketing as capable of curing a malady?

If homeopaths were capable of producing said evidence then skeptics and scientists would not take issue with the practice or its purported remedies. Substantial time and money spent trying to generate such evidence has produced none. It is time to call out advocates of homeopathy what they are: incredibly gullible, pathological fraudsters or both.
12:30 PM on 02/05/2011
It seems in a way to come down to the biology of the cell. That was my instinct a year ago and some new info on UTUBE that I found confirms the logic of this thinking. A true Christian would have to believe that God the father is outside and over us in creation. That we are sprung from his making. In a way this leads to a very genetic interpretation of creation. God put the material in the genes and we grew from that. Some in his likeness, but not completely him – his creation.

Now some of these new age scientists are saying the feedback system of the cell to its environment is key to understanding how the universe works. This appeals on several levels as well, but there is a point of limitation in proof as well. I have seen how some of the new thought states that we are all connected in a unified field and if you believe and think in a certain way the input and output of your cells effects your health and your wealth. It seems one must get to the sub-conscious training to align your being with the better universal goodies.
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01:01 AM on 02/06/2011
Oy. As a scientist, I look on comments like this and despair. Or at least facepalm.
01:05 PM on 02/06/2011
Amen. (tongue held firmly in cheek)
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01:18 PM on 02/06/2011
As a fellow scientist...I think facepalm is more appropriate.
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05:50 AM on 02/06/2011
what the??!?!??!
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11:26 AM on 02/05/2011
James Randi issues a challenge to the homeopathic medicine manufacturers and distributors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMukj31qw1U&feature=feedu
12:44 PM on 02/09/2011
Hope, you know about Mr. James Randi. He is the best of bests...but in Magic not science...
12:48 PM on 02/04/2011
Water at room temperature does have a memory, and it is measurable. See for example Section 2.3.1.2.1 in the book "Ground Penetrating Radar: Theory and Applications", edited by Harry Jol. When an electromagnetic field (such as Radar) passes through water, it polarizes the water molecules. After the wave is turned off (i.e. the Radar pulse is gone), the water molecules relax back to their unordered, random state, as with all liquids. The hotter the water, the faster the relaxation time. I'll quote from this section, written by Nigel Cassidy, about the electrical and magnetic properties of rocks, soils, and fluids: "For pure, free water at room temperature (approximately 25 deg C), the permittivity response is governed by a relaxation time of 8.28 ps (8.28 x 10^-12 s)". For water at 0 deg C but before actual freezing, the relaxation time gets slightly longer, to about 18 picoseconds. A picosecond is one trillionth of a second. Now you can see why the claims of Benveniste and other homeopathy sympathizers about room-temperature water somehow having a memory from electromagnetic imprinting lasting minutes, hours or even days is beyond credible. Even one second is a trillion times longer than the time scale at which water has electromagnetic memory.
02:12 PM on 02/04/2011
It's worse than your sensible analysis. The homeopathy "memory" is not a residual polarization of water molecules. It's water molecules remembering the 3-D shape of homeopathic remedy impurities in the water and then water molecules forevermore behaving chemically as if they were those particular non-H20 impurities - and no "bad" impurities in the water.
03:01 PM on 02/04/2011
That's right, after looking at the wikipedia page on water memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory), I was directed to this research paper published in Nature in 2005:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v434/n7030/full/nature03383.html

The relevant results for homeopathy are mentioned in the last sentence of the abstract:

"Our results highlight the efficiency of energy redistribution within the hydrogen-bonded network, and that liquid water essentially loses the memory of persistent correlations in its structure within 50 fs."

So for the 3-D correlations among water molecules that homeopathy "memory" seems to rely on, the time scale is much shorter than even the polarization time scale (50 fs is 50 femtoseconds, and a femtosecond is 1/1000th of a picosecond)
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05:15 PM on 02/04/2011
Clearly they forgot to shake the water after they had polarised it.
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07:58 PM on 02/03/2011
Tina Turner is often called the Queen of Rock and Roll. She won 7 Grammy Awards, has her name on a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and has sold millions of records.

Is it possible to imagine that this vibrant dynamo once had tuberculosis? She did. She contracted it in the mid-70's. Although she had conventional treatments she didn't feel well and consulted with a homeopath, Dr. Sharma, in London. She was cured in six weeks.

Cher is one of the best-selling female singers of all times, and yet at one point she wasn't able to work for two years. She was struck down by a debilitating viral illness in 1987 that resulted in chronic fatigue and bouts of pneumonia. Homeopathy helped save her life. She has since donated $24,000 to homeopathic organizations.

www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/content/celebrities-catherine-zeta-jones-cher-and-tina-turner-are-devotees-of-homeopathy/
10:48 PM on 02/03/2011
Celebrities think it cured them? Well, that just proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt! What do those scientists know, anyway?
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01:44 PM on 02/05/2011
Cher and Tina are awesome musicians, but why does what they think about homeopathy matter? It doesn't. That isn't even an argument from authority, it's an argument from celebrity.
01:08 PM on 02/06/2011
The care they put into their choice of medication seems to be on par with the care they put into their choice of spouse.