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Dan Collins

Posted: January 14, 2010 09:54 PM

FDNY in Black and White

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Last summer Mayor Michael Bloomberg swore in a new class of New York City police recruits. Among the 274 new officers, 58 percent were minority. The city proudly noted that the class "consists of recruits who were born in 22 countries."

But in a city that is half minority, only about 10 percent of New York firefighters are despite recent efforts to increase their numbers. Only 3.4 percent are black. This week that particular statistic came back and bit the city, in the form of a ruling by a federal judge that the Fire Department's hiring practices constituted "a pattern, practice and policy of intentional discrimination..." that was a "stain on the Fire Department's record."

The ruling seems to depict a city from another era, whose officials ignored calls for change and intentionally conspired to keep the Fire Department white. How could this be? How could a city where the police department has made major, and successful, efforts to recruit black officers, countenance a fire department that seemed to be going in the opposite direction?

I don't know whether the ruling will stand, but I can offer one explanation that does not require the public to believe that the leaders of the city of New York are closet racists.

It's the insular culture of the Fire Department.

We think of the fire and police services as more or less the same - the Finest and the Bravest, both risking their lives to keep us safe. But their lives are very different thing. The firefighter's job is much less varied and far less solitary than the cop's.

Firefighters live as a family, eating and sleeping and risking their lives together in a unit. It creates a sense of solidarity that is passed down from father to son. Insular, proud, and extremely hard to manage from the outside.

To see the grandeur and the problems of the fire culture, just look at September 11. The men who rushed into the towers, heedless of their own safety, were following the department creed. After they died, their firefighter fathers and brothers and friends also raced to the World Trade Center site to search for their bodies. They ignored all safety protocols in their drive to reclaim their lost men. For too long, the city deferred to their grief and near irrationality. When safety rules were finally imposed, the firefighters nearly rioted in anger, they were so desperate to go back to proving their bond with their comrades by risking their lives breathing toxic air and digging in unstable piles of rubble for their comrades.

If the goal of the Fire Department is just to put out fires, the easiest way to manage it is to let it alone. Over and over again, mayors of the city of New York have tried to impose some 20th, then 21st, century organizational structure and come to grief. Rudy Giuliani, for all his boasts of toughness, could never get the firefighters to work with the police department.

Michael Bloomberg had precious little luck in closing down fire houses, even though there were too many of them in the wrong places for the most efficient deployment.

The Fire Department is a world of fathers and sons who want to pass their traditions down the family tree. You do not have to be a racist to want your own white son or grandson to join your fraternity, even if it means putting someone else's black son on hold.

The tests helped to accomplish that goal. Don't think they were designed to exclude blacks. But once it turned out that was the outcome, it would certainly have been possible to design a different test that creates a more diverse pool of candidates.

But to get there, the city would have had to mess with the Fire Department, and who wants to? They're heroes. They like things the way they are. That's true of everything from the location of the fire houses to the way the tests are written.

The city says it will appeal the ruling, and it is hard to predict how things will work out. This is not the most favorable time in the world to bring a fire department discrimination suit. Anyone who followed Sonia Sotomayor's elevation to the Supreme Court remembers the suit by white firefighters in New Haven, who won a 5-4 victory in the Supreme Court that revolved around a test for promotion.

If you are a lawyer, I welcome your opinion on the legality of the whole thing. But looking at the situation practically and politically, it is crazy to have a city in which one of the major public safety services is virtually all white while the city is more than a quarter black.

 
 
 
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02:11 PM on 01/29/2010
Having a city in which one of the major public safety services is all white while the city is more than a quarter white may be crazy, but continually lowering standards to achieve better representation is even crazier. New York City residents need and deserve the best and most dedicated firefighters to protect them. The FDNY should better reflect the city, but the test is not that problem. The tests in question, were not difficult at all and were as relevant to firefighting and the FDNY as much as any other civil service test is relevant to their respective department. Minorities in the city are more than capable of passing this test and suggesting that they can't is insulting.
Also, applying for the FDNY is not limited to New York City residents.
11:01 PM on 01/23/2010
The hiring process for the FDNY is identical to every city agency. Blind testing by DCAS (Dept. of Citywide administrative Services). Having family "on the job" gave me one and only one advantage. I knew it was the most competitve job by a large margin. You can score above 95 on the written and physical tests respectively and still not have a competitive list number. The years after 9/11 aside, the FDNY usually hires less than 500 people each year. During the qualification and acceptance process FDNY goes through 4 list numbers to hire 5 people (NYPD Over 10 for each 1 hire). I knew I had to be in the top 3000 out of over 20,000 taking the same exam I was hired from. I took test prep classes ,took dozens of practice exams and took other City exams. For the physical exam I ran 10 miles daily and ran up a 20 story building 3 times a week wearing a 30 lb. vest. My 'Old Boy's" advantage" was knowing what it took to earn a competitive list number. I still waited 4 years to be hired.
As for life in the firehouse? there is no greater example of a job where you are "judged by the content of your character".
01:40 PM on 01/20/2010
I am an FDNY firefighter. There is no nepotism in the hiring practices of the FDNY. The hiring is done by the same city agency that handles all other city agencies. The reason that there are a small number of blacks on the job is a pure numbers game. The last test there were 16000 people that took the test. Of those 16000, around 144 where black. If you use the vulcans numbers and assume the the balance where white, only about 19% of people taking the test were actually hired. That means of those 144 black test takers only 23 or so were hired. The problem is that, for the most part, black residents in this city don't want the job. I work in a poor area of the Bronx. These people grow up around fires. They see us everyday. They see us coming out of fires covered in soot, sometimes bleeding, exhausted or vomiting from smoke inhalation. I can't tell you how many times I hear local residents say that we are crazy, and there is no way they would ever do our job. If the FDNY were full of white racist bigots do you think we would put ourselves in a life threatening situation to save the life of a poor black resident? Do you honestly believe that we would stop to question, if the person in that building was black or white? I can tell you that it makes no difference to us.
10:04 PM on 01/19/2010
While everyone seems to want through kudos to the PD for their minority hiring record it is important to note a few things. Firstly, the NYPD and the FDNY use the exact same written test format, I took both and they were they same questions only words were changed to make the question more specific to the job (ie. PD or FD). Secondly, the number of fireman (10,000) and cops (30,000) in NYC plus the fact that more people take the FDNY test makes it a more difficult job to get. I never studied for a test in my life till I took the FDNY entrance exam. For five months iI took the practice exams from the ARCO book that I purchased at Barnes and Noble. I then proceeded for 1 1/2 years to train hard for the physical exam, working out at the gym everyday and framing houses with a 50 lb. weight vest on to get myself used to the weight that would be used in the physical. How many people that take the MTA ,Corrections Dept., or DCAS (the people who write and administer the FDNY exams) tests put the same level of preparation into their exams? I mention these three organizations because they are predominantly Black. Where is the outrage that the Irish and Italians are under-represented here? In a country where 60% of white people and 97% of blacks voted for a black President, who really are the racists?
03:26 PM on 01/19/2010
Here is a link to the two exams in question in the Justice Dept. lawsuit. Reas them and determine for yourself who exactly they would keep off a job. http://documents.nytimes.com/new-york-city-firefighter-examinations#p=1
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10:36 AM on 01/18/2010
Institutional Racism. Plain and Simple. People of color also care about their son's and daughters having employment.
11:56 AM on 01/16/2010
I would like to know how many minorties are taking the test and what their scores are before calling it something it may not be.

You would have to go through all the facts before jumping to conclusion and from what I gather from the article this has not be done.

what I found weird was that you make huge leap in logic by stating the test are designed to exclude blacks?? How is this so??

Last time I took a civil service exam their was book that we all studied from to prepare for the same test.
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11:07 AM on 01/16/2010
There is a difference between racist and racialized. Here is the reality, 50% of the city is minority? They need more minority hires. If the test is yielding and all white class over and over again, something is wrong with the test. If there are 300 new hires and 300 people get 100 on the test and the rest get 98. The 100% people make the cut and the people getting a 98 don't. That is a problem because you are leaving people are ostensibly qualified off the list because of one question. Is that what it is always like, no of course not, but a different system yields different results. For example. Everyone who scores over a 90 on the test goes into a lottery. What happens then? Are there more or less minorities? That would be luck of the draw and would yield results that were not static. What if a physical is part of the test? Does that yield different results? I don't know, do you? The system is going to have to expand, There are ways to make sure the classes are more inclusive, for example, what about speaking a second language. In a city as diverse as NY speaking Spanish at the least would benefit everyone in a department. Perhaps that is a criteria that should help candidates. There are different issues that can be used to expand the class. What is going on isn't racist it simply isn't working.

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10:06 PM on 01/15/2010
If this is original journalism, it is the best piece we have seen recently at this site. Maybe the followup piece could include who sits on the hiring committees and how that process differs from that of the police force. But overall, a nice piece of informative writing.
10:31 AM on 01/16/2010
There is no hiring committee. Hiring is done by blind numbers. There isn't even an interview. You take a written, you get a score. After that you take a pass/fail physical agility. Then a psych exam (600 question true false test).

The agency that administrates the testing process right up until the time that your number comes up is DCAS. They handle this process for ALL of the civil service agencies. They give the tests and they don't turn you over to the FDNY until your number is reached for hire. That's it, end of story.
09:47 PM on 01/15/2010
Yes, let's change the test so more sub-par applicants will be accepted. Just like the NYPD sergeants exam. This will be more of the same. Keep those numbers up!
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09:12 PM on 01/15/2010
Another bright and shiny moment to be proud of in this Nation,
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StillIRise
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08:17 PM on 01/15/2010
"It is the insular culture of the Fire Department" to keep the Department white ...

I agree with your conclusion. I live in a predominately black middle class suburb, and yet our Fire Department is 99.9% white. We do have a black chief who was hired by our black mayor, but the white members of the department have been trying to get rid of him ever since he came on board, not because he's incompetent, but because he's not one of the good old boys!

I think this is a trend throughout the country, in large inner cities, in suburbs, in rural America, etc.

It took YEARS and generation after generation to finally break this trend in our police departments, but the fire departments aren't ready to let go ...
10:45 AM on 01/21/2010
how is the FDNY being racist if their hiring process is almost exactly the same as the cops and other city agencies? Everyone keeps saying the FDNY test is racist but I have yet to see one example of how it is.
06:43 PM on 01/15/2010
There is no shortage of minority men with the strength, smarts and courage to be firefighters. Minorities seem to be well represented in the volunteer military and the NYPD, two jobs that also require a great deal of courage.

But you can't discount family tradition. If you want to take a job like this and your father or brother or cousin is a cop, you're more likely to try to become a cop. If your father was a firefighter, it's more likely you'll go that way.

I don't know how it is that minorities came to be under-represented in the fire department, but with family and neighborhood tradition playing such a big roll, it's not surprising that it continues.

If the fire department is practicing discrimination, it should end. If the comradery of the firehouse has a racist tinge, that should end. My guess is, neither of those is true.

You can try and encourage a guy who is applying for the job in the police dept. or the transit system to go for the fire department instead, but if I were lying unconscious in a burning building, I would hope the guy who is coming in to save me is a guy who really really wanted to be a firefighter.
06:42 PM on 01/15/2010
You can also go to your local bookstore and purchase a study guide with practice tests for these exams. If your child wanted to follow your footsteps and become a police officer, would you encourage them and help them prepare? or would that be unfair nepotism too?
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longtalldrink
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09:41 PM on 01/15/2010
...but wait...there has GOT to be something else going on when the FD is 99.99% white.
04:33 PM on 01/15/2010
after reading this article, i'm unsure how the apparent nepotism plays out.

does the application ask if you have relatives in the dep't? if so, does this result in an advantage? if this is the case ~ and if the nepotism is resulting in such a ridiculously disproportional department, then it seems clear to me at least that the nepotism has got to be eliminated.

like it or not, if they currently do give an advantage to applicants with family in service, then it seems clear that they need to stop that practice. maybe they even need to make it a DISadvantage ~

just sayin' ~
05:02 PM on 01/15/2010
you get extra points on the test if your father or grand father was a fire fighter or police officer
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05:14 PM on 01/15/2010
OK, thanks if true that could be the single biggest cause of the legacy issue.

A legacy is a social issue and usually not of importance or consequence to employment.
Having a father that was a firefighter doesn't bestow any genetic gifts for firefighting on the progeny, it just creates a method to continue discrimination.
06:00 PM on 01/15/2010
Wrong! you get extra points if a parent or sibling died in the line of duty. Get your facts straight before you post false information.