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George Zimmerman Had Accomplices. Shame We Can't Arrest Them Too

Posted: 04/13/2012 5:26 pm

Concealed WeaponsDon't get me wrong, I blame George Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin.  But I also blame the NRA and the politicians who do their bidding for putting the gun in his hands.

George Zimmerman had an arrest record and a history of violence.  Yet he was allowed to carry a loaded, hidden handgun in the state of Florida.  This was the way the NRA wanted it, and this was the policy that the Florida State legislature created on the gun lobby's behalf.

Make no mistake, the gun lobby wanted George Zimmerman to have a gun, and to be carrying his gun the night he shot Trayvon Martin.  They worked very hard to make it so.  It is all part of the NRA's ultimate vision -- a vision they proudly admit -- of guns just about everywhere, in just about everyone's hands.  George Zimmerman is the creation of the gun lobby.


George Zimmerman in the NRA


George Zimmerman is the NRA.

Don't look for logic or science to support the gun lobby's arguments.  It relies  on highly discredited research and questionable anecdotes, tinged with just the right amount of racism, to create the fear and paranoia it uses to justify why everyone should carry around guns, everywhere.

The NRA glibly says "an armed society is a polite society."  Tell that to Trayvon Martin's parents.  Tell that to the families of the thousands of others killed unnecessarily every year because of the guns that the gun lobby and, worse, our elected representatives have put on the streets and in the hands of dangerous people.

The NRA wants an America where conflicts -- however petty or imagined -- are "resolved" at the barrel of a gun, as they were that February night in Sanford, Florida.  It  wants an America where people like George Zimmerman are armed with the mentality of taking the law into their own hands and the guns to make that mentality lethal.

That is not the America most of us want to live in.

The gun lobby says it is fighting for a right to bear arms, or self-defense.  But  it is not.

The gun lobby has something to sell youThe gun lobby is just that, a lobby.  It fights for an industry whose goal simply is to sell more guns -- and they don't care who buys the guns, or how they are used.  It reflects the perspective of a small group of political extremists, not even the average NRA member.

I would imagine that most Americans don't even realize that today, a convicted felon can walk into a gun show in most states and buy a gun without a background check.  So can a convicted domestic abuser or a terrorist.  And virtually anyone, including those same people can also arrange a private sale over the internet and legally buy guns, also without any background check.

As a result, thousands of Americans are injured or killed, every year.  That is the work the gun lobby is doing and it is the America that the gun lobby wants.  They claim they are protecting your rights or helping you defend yourself.  Those are lies.  They are selling more guns.  And they are killing our citizens.

Even, worse, perhaps, are the politicians who do the gun lobby's bidding.  These are people who put the agenda of the gun lobby ahead of the lives of the citizens they have been elected to represent.  I have talked with many of them. They know the difference between right and wrong.  Yet they make decisions that they know are going to cost lives, and they do it out of political expediency.

Too bad we can't arrest people for that!

What we can do, however, is to hold our elected leaders accountable for the lives that are lost as a result of their support for the gun lobby -- lives like Trayvon Martin.  We can ask our elected officials simple questions like, "Do you believe a convicted felon, domestic abuser, or terrorist should be able to legally buy a gun anywhere in our country?"

And if their answer is not to your satisfaction, and they will not commit to stop willingly arming dangerous people, you may not be able to arrest them, but you can vote them the heck out of office.

 
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Don't get me wrong, I blame George Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin.  But I also blame the NRA and the politicians who do their bidding for putting the gun in his hands. George Zimmerman had a...
Don't get me wrong, I blame George Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin.  But I also blame the NRA and the politicians who do their bidding for putting the gun in his hands. George Zimmerman had a...
 
 
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baydolphins
Gone crazy...back soon
07:14 PM on 05/06/2012
an 'armed society is a polite society?' I guess that's what first comes to mind when I see pics of the Middle East where it seems everyone is carrying a weapon and firing into the air for the hell of it...Gee, they seem so polite. I'm all for freedom to bear arms, but get a grip...the guy has an arrest record, domestic violence issues and altercations with police...but sure, give him a gun....right
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12:07 PM on 04/23/2012
Well Daniel Gross you go get the guns out of the hands of criminal then you can take mine. Until then I will defend myself. You have no right to dictated how my life is protected at this moment. When the guns are gone then you can make that type of decision for me.
11:42 AM on 04/18/2012
More lies from the Brady Bunch. Gross is certainly following in Paul Helmke's footsteps.

"And virtually anyone, including those same people can also arrange a private sale over the internet and legally buy guns, also without any background check."

Totally false. You can only make an internet gun sale by shipping the firearm to a licensed dealer, where the buyer picks it up after passing a background check.
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
11:37 AM on 05/06/2012
Oh, please. One of my neighbors got a gun over the net. . Gun show dealers also don't always do what they shoud .. They have been filmed selling guns without any proof of who the person is. In addition, many states with their cocealed weapons laws make it scary to even walk by some folks.
12:05 PM on 05/06/2012
Again, if you make an internet purchase, the seller has to ship it to a licensed dealer in order for the buyer to pick it up (and pass a background check upon doing so). The only exception to this rule is if the buyer and seller both reside in the same state. In that case, the firearm must still be shipped to a dealer or the buyer and seller have to meet in person to make the transaction face to face. So unless your neighbor and the person who sold the gun don't mind committing felonies, that's what they did.

I'm not sure what CCW laws you think making walking by "some folks" scary, but I live in a state with widespead CCW and it doesn't make me live in fear.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
01:21 PM on 05/06/2012
"Gun show dealers also don't always do what they shoud .. They have been filmed selling guns without any proof of who the person is."

You confuse dealers (FFLs) with private sellers.

"In addition, many states with their cocealed weapons laws make it scary to even walk by some folks."

Since the key component of concealed carry is that the firearm be concealed, you would not know it was there and therefore you would be unable to be scared of it. That nice lady ahead of you in the grocery checkout, that guy who just drove past you as you were out for a walk, that woman out walking her Bichon Frise, that guy you saw in BestBuy buying a new Xbox game for his kid's birthday -- any of them could have been carrying and you did not know it.
11:45 PM on 04/17/2012
Ironically, if James Brady hadn't been shot, this guy would likely be selling Volcano insurance Door-to-Door.
Hucksters like this choose to get involved in issues that will never go away because it ensures their employment. This guys position pays about $250,000 annually, which is about 8% of the total contributions to the Brady Campaign for the last year reported.

He does it all for the cause.
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SteveC 1979
Just...don't.
02:19 PM on 04/17/2012
"But I also blame the NRA and the politicians who do their bidding for putting the gun in his hands."

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Sorry but that is a pretty stupid thing to write. What possible support could exist for such a statement? To purchase/own a gun is a significant decision - speaking at least from personal experience the big bad NRG, nor "the politician who do their bidding", had any impact on my decision whatsoever. Guess this all boils down to the death of personal accountability in this country. Guy buys a gun...uses it in a State that allows self-defense...a jury of his peers hasn't even heard the case yet...and all of a sudden this author (and many others are blaming a third party. Way to go.
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From my cold dead hands
pro-gun/anti-criminal
03:50 PM on 04/17/2012
Its like you read my mind......
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schotts
Strength and Honor
06:41 PM on 04/17/2012
Well, you have to consider the source.

The new president of a anti gun group that has lost much of its membership, support and frankly is not relevant anymore.

And they have to submit their articles to HP, a media outlet with a user/member base that is notoreously anti gun. It's all they got.
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David Carson
11:49 PM on 04/17/2012
hasn't the BC pretty much been a soggy paper kitten since the Dems lost Congress after the Clinton AWB?
12:19 PM on 04/17/2012
After the Loughner incident last year, I tried to research the history of the 2nd amendment.
It's complicated, but one thing stuck out to me. Even from the strictest constitutional viewpoint, there is an acceptance of limitation on gun ownership to something approximating "reasonable" according to the available technology of the time. The founders were not embracing the notion of cannons in every home. I think if the discussion focused on this point, which would serve to illuminate the boundaries of this liberty, progress could be made. But not as long as the gun industry is involved in the discussion. The commercial interests involved can only muddy the water as far as I'm concerned.

That doesn't address the problem we face where people like Jared Loughner are able to legally obtain handguns or weapons of any kind. That is a much more difficult issue, but points nevertheless to authority, and consequent responsibility, focused at the most local level as possible, but it also involves the trickiest aspect of the entire debate, which is the problem of mental illness and how difficult that is to measure, monitor, or in any way take into consideration when determining to infringe the deified 2nd amendment.
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schotts
Strength and Honor
06:44 PM on 04/17/2012
"...an acceptance of limitation on gun ownership to something approximating "reasonable" according to the available technology of the time. The founders were not embracing the notion of cannons in every home. I think if the discussion focused on this point, which would serve to illuminate the boundaries of this liberty, progress could be made."

Sounds to me like you think gun owners should only be allowed muskets?

Put that thought process to work on the 1A as well. Were phones, computers, the internet and even the telegraph available at the time it was written?
08:18 PM on 04/17/2012
Sorry if I wasn't clear; ...approximating "reasonable" according to the available technology of whatever time you happen to be living. There seems to be consensus among most that RPGs are out of the question in our era. In revolutionary America, I think a semi-automatic pistol we consider common would have been nearly as extreme at that time as an RPG is in ours.
After researching the history of the 2nd amendment, it appears there are basically 2 divergent opinions about the intentions of the founders. One of those views has held sway, for better or worse. Regardless, the problem of mental illness hangs out there like a hornet's nest waiting to be be dealt with, but as far as I can tell no one in the stalwart 2nd amendment camp wants to touch it with a 10-foot pole.
I personally don't care so much about what kinds of weapons folks carry; I'm much more interested in their frame of mind, and you will never convince me otherwise: there are boatloads of folks who are not mentally or emotionally capable of honoring the responsibility that comes with the 2nd amendment right.
07:58 AM on 04/17/2012
Where I live you can't count on the police for protection. It is hard to get them to come to a crime scene. I know liberals expect people to hang their heads and be a victim, give the criminals what they want. But I will be damned if I will and I believe a lot of other people feel the same way.
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dim
one in a can
01:59 PM on 05/06/2012
>I know liberals expect people to hang their heads and be a victim

I guess you don't know after all. The people I meet at shooting ranges come from all political walks of life.
12:46 AM on 04/17/2012
NRA members seemed to think being armed makes you safer. In every heading you see "Trayvon Martin was UNARMED" Zimmerman was the aggressor with the weapon and he did what those same NRA members want to do. KILL SOMEONE AND CLAIM SELF DEFENSE. Alll out of fear. Trayvon the supposed bad guy was unarmed and the tough guy with the gun (NRA Member) Zimmerman killed him. Z is the perfect example of why most of you don't need a gun.... STRICTER GUN LAWS!!!!!! We're not all cowards in this country!
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eljefefx
01:19 AM on 04/17/2012
I believe that I have read more horribly thought out posts on here, but at the moment I'm kind of at a loss. Are you stating that all NRA members truly do dream, wish, and want to shoot someone?

Are you insane?
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SteveC 1979
Just...don't.
01:59 PM on 04/17/2012
LOL.

F/F
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
09:37 AM on 04/17/2012
"NRA members seemed to think being armed makes you safer." PLZREAD

Not really. And please realize there are nearly 90,000,000 gun owners, and only 4+ million NRA members.

Glad to see you are bringing all your judicial and law enforcement expertise to this conversation! (snort). Also, I am very pleased to see that you are bring all your psychological and psychiatric knowledge to the forefront. I am finding I have to agree with eljefefx.
10:50 PM on 04/16/2012
Since guns don't kill people, people kill people, isn't it about time those of us who truly care about the reputation of guns really stand up and fight for the rights of guns to enjoy the stellar reputation they deserve if only they could be protected from people? We need to roll up our sleeves, and get to work lobbying for guns to be kept away from people so people will not be able to continue to soil the reputations of innocent guns everywhere. Doesn't a gun deserve that right? Protect guns now -- keep them away from people!
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TinyDancer1
Taking a break for a while.
07:03 AM on 04/17/2012
I agree. You are brilliant!
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
11:42 AM on 05/06/2012
LOL - love it
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rubbish379
10:36 PM on 04/16/2012
Has he ever been convicted of any other crime? Just because you arrest someone doesn't mean they did anything wrong.
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
07:33 AM on 04/17/2012
Poppycock.  The Trayvon Martin case is a perfect demonstration of the fact that the police NEVER do ANYTHING wrong.
10:06 PM on 04/17/2012
I think rubbish379 was refferring to GZ arrest seven years ago but he was not convicted.
07:11 AM on 04/23/2012
GZ was arrested on separate cases of domestic battery, and more shockingly -- assault on a police officer. He did plenty "wrong".

The records for his crimes were expunged, doubtlessly due to the influence of his father.
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juna
Golden Rule is my religion
02:49 PM on 04/16/2012
Please see the article in this week's New Yorker re guns. It ends with this statement:

"In an average year, roughly a hundred thousand Americans are killed or wounded with guns."

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/04/23/120423fa_fact_lepore#ixzz1sEMBKnET
10:59 AM on 04/17/2012
And that number has remained relatively steady since as far back as 1981, despite an ever-increasing population and an ever-increasing population of permit/license holders, thus the rate per 100,000 persons had steadily decreased. But the New Yorker won't tell you that.
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juna
Golden Rule is my religion
06:08 PM on 04/17/2012
I've seen all three of your posts in answer to me Rick and I'll just observe that you're certainly a satisfied gun owner. I, on the other hand, want nothing to do with guns. As far as the police go, I know they don't have a duty to protect me (although I think they would) but they protect all of us from dangerous criminals, as best they can. One more thought, 100,000 deaths, no matter the percentile of the population, are still 100,000 too many - IMHO.
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Mike Dehart
Vet, Conservative and Gun Owner
09:42 AM on 04/16/2012
Starange how the places in the country with the strictest gun control laws have the high amount of gun related crime.

New York, New Jersey, Deleware, New Hampshire, Conneticut and California. All of these are liberal bastions with very tight gun control laws yet they see increases every year in gun related violence. Gun control doesnt keep crime in check. Criminals arent scared of the police. Criminals are scared that the grandma sitting across from them and the business man across the way will draw down on them if they do something stupid. Disarming our citizens is dangerous, reckless, and illegal. Gun control laws do NOTHING To stop crime. In fact repealing them has been shown to have an effect on crime by reducing rather than increasing crime rates.

You bleeding hearts want to give up your guns...be my guest. It is your RIGHT to not own them. Just as it is mine to have them. When a crime is commited against you by someone with a gun however...dont come bleating about having no way to protect yourself.

A little food for thought
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/crime-rates-in-chicago-and-dc-drop-after-gun-control-laws-are-struck-down/
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Vincent Van Der Hyde
The truth will set you free.
11:02 AM on 04/16/2012
Strange how the gun-nuts just make things up as they go along......http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord

Reduce crime
Remove the gun.
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
11:56 AM on 04/16/2012
Great data.  The seven states with the lowest homicide rates have very few gun restrictions, and the one with the 2nd highest homicide rate has some of the strongest gun restrictions.  If you added DC to the list, it would be the 1st and 3rd.
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CelticMajic
The answer lies in each of us individually
01:03 PM on 04/16/2012
Thanks for providing data that says exactly the opposite of what you thought it did. Check out Vermont; very liberal gun laws very low homicide rate! Reduce the crime, attach the social ills of the society. Access to firearms has little to do with the crime rate.
07:46 AM on 04/16/2012
As long as guns are around,criminals will have guns,
If we ban handguns in the US we start stopping this madness
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:19 AM on 04/16/2012
Prohibiting civilian handgun ownership is Unconstitutional and you have provided no reason to believe that doing so would accomplish the objective that you claim.
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Vincent Van Der Hyde
The truth will set you free.
11:04 AM on 04/16/2012
Get a Supreme Court that actually follows the Constitution
and you will get a different decision.

Remember Dred Scott?
That got changed too.
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
10:55 AM on 04/16/2012
Why has that had the opposite effect in the United Kingdom, then?
07:43 AM on 04/16/2012
As long as we have the NRA killings senseless murders will continue.
How many idiots like Zimmerman are around with hand guns?Unless Florida stops bowing down
and the rest of this country comes to terms with this stupid law funded by the NRA this country will
remain killing each other,handguns need to be banned in the United States
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LJ P
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
10:15 AM on 04/16/2012
OK let's try this again. Since Florida passed their Shall Issue carry permit law in 1987 they issued over 2.1 million permits (919,000 are still active). Of that 2.1 million only 16 have had to be revoked because the permit holder was convicted of a crime which used a gun. that is only .00008. that is an insignificant problem. How can you make such an unsubstantiated claim? It is emotional tripe, not factual at all.
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LJ P
aut viam inveniam aut faciam
12:45 PM on 04/16/2012
sorry I had a typo. it is not 16 it is 168. The percentage was correct however.
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dim
one in a can
02:44 PM on 05/06/2012
>How can you make such an unsubstantiated claim?

Because most people reach their convictions mostly emotionally - a great boon to propagandists of both the commercial and political variety. The rest is just casuistry - a fig leaf for the lack of a solid foundation for the belief.

By the way, good job correcting yourself, I was getting worried reading the first post based on the math alone. :)
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Dick Stone
My Andalusian works hard and loves his job
04:29 AM on 04/16/2012
Well Daniel, the only thing that I can say is that you have the correct last name, and you are full of stinky diaper filling.
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dim
one in a can
02:46 PM on 05/06/2012
Someone with your first name shouldn't throw stones. Oh, wait... my own name ... oh, nooo. :)