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Obama and Karzai Talk, but the Fate of 3000 U.S. Prisoners in Afghanistan Remains a Mystery

Posted: 03/16/2012 5:10 pm

It's nice to hear that President Obama called Afghan President Hamid Karzai today to congratulate him on the birth of his new daughter. Among other subjects that reportedly came up were the pace of the U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan and the presence of foreign troops in Afghan villages.

One thing I'd like to hear the two leaders talk about -- or at least someone from their respective governments mention -- is some key details of the sketchily-reported agreement to transfer more than 3000 Afghans, now imprisoned by the United States at the Bagram Air Base, to Afghan control.

Announced last Friday, there's been almost no news about the deal since. And the text of the agreement -- this Memorandum of Understanding -- sheds little light on some key questions.

For one thing, the agreement refers to a new Afghan law that allows indefinite detention without trial in Afghanistan. President Karzai has always insisted that such "administrative" detention is not allowed in his country. Suddenly it is?

Afghan lawyers I've asked about this have no idea what law the agreement refers to. And neither Defense Department nor State Department officials have been able to provide or identify it, either. Does the U.S. government even have a copy?

This isn't an irrelevant detail. Under international law, the United States must ensure that anyone it transfers to another government does not face a real risk of torture or other violations of their rights under international humanitarian or human rights law. One of the guarantees of international human rights law is a right to due process -- which in this case would mean a right to a hearing that provides a meaningful opportunity to contest one's detention by the government. Does Afghanistan plan to provide that to detainees, after they're transferred?

The United States never did. It finally provided rudimentary hearings that detainees could attend starting in 2009, but the detainees weren't allowed a lawyer or even to see the evidence against them. Is Afghanistan going to do any better?

Judging by the dismal state of the Afghan justice system, I'm skeptical.

And what about the risk of torture? The United Nations reported just last year that Afghan's security forces systematically torture detainees to get them to confess. In the new agreement, the Afghan government promises to treat its detainees humanely.

That's nice. But why should we believe them? The U.S. government is legally bound to look beyond the formulaic promises to protect the detainees it's captured, held indefinitely without trial, and will now transfer to a government with a lousy human rights record.

Don't get me wrong: I'm happy to hear that the U.S. military is starting to think about how it's going to get out of the indefinite detention business in Afghanistan. But President Karzai is hardly the most trustworthy partner. Any deal should include serious safeguards to protect the thousands of Afghans now under U.S. control, many of whom may have done nothing wrong. (It's hard to know for sure, but the U.S. government clearly had its thumb on the scales of justice in the summary Detainee Review Board hearings I observed last year.) Afghan detainees are not a legitimate bargaining chip.

President Obama is surely negotiating U.S. troop withdrawal carefully so as to keep U.S. soldiers from facing unnecessary risks. He should take the same care with the lives of Afghans.

 

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It's nice to hear that President Obama called Afghan President Hamid Karzai today to congratulate him on the birth of his new daughter. Among other subjects that reportedly came up were the pace of t...
It's nice to hear that President Obama called Afghan President Hamid Karzai today to congratulate him on the birth of his new daughter. Among other subjects that reportedly came up were the pace of t...
 
 
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BigWetTears
Feeling Your Pain as the Oceans Rise
01:50 AM on 03/18/2012
Daphne, you said,
"President Obama is surely negotiating U.S. troop withdrawal carefully so as to keep U.S. soldiers from facing unnecessary risks. He should take the same care with the lives of Afghans."
Sorry, but I don't believe a word of it, it's all about Barack and ReElection, forget everything else.
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bascombe
Send the kids off to die, bleed their country dry.
01:22 AM on 03/18/2012
LIes brought us into that country.
The truth should get us out.

this is a farce and an excuse for the sacred, bloated military budget. For a trillion dollars, they don't care what they have to do to the afghani people.

just keep the money flowing and sign the contracts for their country's wealth, be it oil or minerals.

the afghanis do not believe we think they are human. if the way we treat them is any indication, then we obviously do not.
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pixeloid
Reality has a liberal bias.
12:51 AM on 03/18/2012
What do they mean by "risk of torture"? Don't they mean "risk of MORE torture"? Many people have already been tortured to death in Bagram. Suddenly, someone is concerned about the welfare of these prisoners? Yeah, right.
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BigWetTears
Feeling Your Pain as the Oceans Rise
01:51 AM on 03/18/2012
put down your latte and go to their rescue . .
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:27 PM on 03/17/2012
You are correct.

But the USA tortures, wages war on lies for profit.

I fear you will be disappointed.
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BigWetTears
Feeling Your Pain as the Oceans Rise
01:53 AM on 03/18/2012
flights to Venezuela leave daily . . Hola Hugo! . .
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
02:35 AM on 03/18/2012
Sweden, Germany,m Holland and Portugal, seem like better alternatives.
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Felix99
Born to be mild!!!!
09:07 PM on 03/17/2012
"For one thing, the agreement refers to a new Afghan law that allows indefinite detention without trial in Afghanistan. President Karzai has always insisted that such "administrative" detention is not allowed in his country. Suddenly it is?" Golly, it sounds just like our freedom loving, Patriot Act!!

"Judging by the dismal state of the Afghan justice system, I'm skeptical." I don't blame you Daphne, it sounds more like our justice system all the time!!! Remember, we are ruled by laws, which can be changed any time some nut case wishes to do so
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AlfredE69
Liberty Lovin' Tree Hugger
08:39 PM on 03/17/2012
Obama should have ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan his first day in office.
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Ansdlmol
05:38 PM on 03/17/2012
If I were one of the 3000 prisoners I would be VERY WORRIED. I think the life expectance of these people would make them totally uninsurable !!!!
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pixeloid
Reality has a liberal bias.
12:54 AM on 03/18/2012
I believe life expectancy is less than a month from the start of "enhanced interrogation".
05:00 PM on 03/17/2012
Pull the troops out and let them do what they want to each other.
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chlai88
Change is the only constant
04:32 PM on 03/17/2012
"He should take the same care with the lives of Afghans." Most of us don't think like that. It's either, let's get out of there yesterday & to heck with these "minor" details or it's let's stay there longer & keep them under our leash.
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Gestas
Mountain Man
03:32 PM on 03/17/2012
Do what Bush and Cheney did Iraq...Give them back their Guns and send them home..
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robadeaux
Your labels have expired....
04:19 PM on 03/17/2012
It is their country...
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bascombe
Send the kids off to die, bleed their country dry.
01:15 AM on 03/18/2012
exactly
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
01:11 PM on 03/17/2012
All in favor of bringing our military home and never wasting another .05 on Afghanistan, say 'aye'....
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bascombe
Send the kids off to die, bleed their country dry.
01:16 AM on 03/18/2012
AYE
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June25
11:09 AM on 03/17/2012
Sounds nice but just how do we accomplish these goals?We have only one tool available to withhold payments to the Afghan government ,and they will point out that they are the only force between a new Taliban government and us.
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Ansdlmol
05:42 PM on 03/17/2012
The Taliban will take over Afghanistan 15 minutes after the last active American soldier leaves. When the USA tallies up the cost of this adventure it will come to about 1 trillion dollars/minute.
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Vrano
Your sexual freedom is not my financial worry
09:17 PM on 03/16/2012
The funny thing about international law is that the only country that is ever expected to follow it is the United States.
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robadeaux
Your labels have expired....
04:20 PM on 03/17/2012
Really? What was so lawful about the illegal invasion/occupation of two foreign countries simply for prot motives?
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pixeloid
Reality has a liberal bias.
12:56 AM on 03/18/2012
Since when does the US follow international law?
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Ukridge
“If there’s a bustle in your hedgerow, don’t
06:06 PM on 03/16/2012
All of the countries in the middle east, and far east, torture. We should wash our hands of it.
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
07:22 PM on 03/16/2012
Not when you provide the prisoners, the equipment, the techniques, the jails, and the shining example.
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Ukridge
“If there’s a bustle in your hedgerow, don’t
08:05 PM on 03/16/2012
The human rights guys are saying they are safer in our prison, and they are naot tortured.
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FZliveson
Beating the Conundrum
07:55 PM on 03/16/2012
What a gross generalization. Can you back that up with verifiable data?
05:44 PM on 03/16/2012
"Under international law, the United States must ensure that anyone it transfers to another government does not face a real risk of torture or other violations of their rights under international humanitarian or human rights law."
True, but since the US has already been torturing and violating these people's rights how can it demand better from anyone else?