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Daphne Eviatar

Daphne Eviatar

Posted: June 16, 2010 06:23 PM

US Refusal to Investigate Torture Lets Other Countries Do it for Us

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The Supreme Court's refusal this week to hear the claims of Maher Arar, a Canadian sent to Syria to be interrogated under torture in 2002, is appropriately being condemned as another example of the U.S. avoiding any legal or moral responsibility for government- sanctioned torture.

What seems to shock and outrage people about the Arar case in particular is that the facts are not in dispute. Canada, whose security services were complicit in his rendition to Syria, has publicly acknowledged its responsibility, compensated Arar, and launched a criminal investigation of U.S. and Syrian officials. The United States, on the other hand, has still neither admitted its role nor held any U.S. officials accountable. And, it hasn't paid Arar a dime.

The United States' refusal to acknowledge its role in the torture of terrorism suspects even when faced with overwhelming evidence of U.S. involvement has become an unfortunate pattern. But it's heartening to see that other countries aren't dropping the matter.

On Monday, the European Court of Human Rights announced that it would hear the case of Khaled el-Masri, a German citizen seized by Macedonian authorities at the request of the United States. El-Masri was beaten and abused during interrogations in both Macedonia and the notorious "Salt Pit" in Afghanistan. Authorities unceremoniously dumped him on a roadside in Albania without charging him with any wrongdoing.His case against U.S. officials was dismissed by a federal court on the grounds that it would reveal "state secrets." The Bush and Obama Administrations have both invoked State Secrets to stop the disclosure of evidence that may reveal government misconduct.

And last year, an Italian court convicted 21 alleged CIA operatives and a US air force operator for their role in the kidnapping and rendition to Egypt of Abu Omar, a Muslim cleric who was already under surveillance by Italian authorities, who suspected him of having ties to al Qaeda. Omar claims he was held incommunicado and tortured in an Egyptian prison for seven months. He was eventually released without charge.

The Obama administration has repeatedly insisted that it wants to look forward, not backward, and so has refused to examine the role of senior U.S. officials in the torture of terrorism suspects. In adopting that position, the government is reneging on its obligations under the Convention Against Torture, which demands both that torturers be held accountable and that victims receive remedies.

Until the U.S. lives up to those responsibilities, its past practices and officers will continue to be scrutinized by foreign governments and justice systems. Those verdicts will cast judgment not only on the past administration's conduct, however. To the extent that foreign governments have to intervene to bring justice to victims of U.S. policies, they will reveal the extent of the United States' current respect for the rule of law as well.

 

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08:02 AM on 06/24/2010
Do as I say...
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biggerjake
Religion poisons everything...
02:01 AM on 06/20/2010
It is easy to call yourself a just and moral society when things are going well. There is no problem standing tall about the freedom and bravery that our country is supposed to represent as long as no one is busy attacking and terrorizing us.

The true test of the strength of your convictions is when your people and your soldiers are being tortured and killed by an enemy that has no moral code. The meme about “liberty and justice for all” in the pledge of allegiance rings quite hollow if we allow the personal liberties and inalienable rights of ourselves and/or others to be trampled during times of strife.

Everyone, myself included experiences a flash of anger and the overwhelming urge for revenge when we see soldiers and innocent Americans being killed or tortured, but hopefully we also have a little voice in our heads that reminds us of our principles and our dedication to them.

If we allow torturers to escape unpunished, then we are a nation of torturers. If we allow crimes to be committed in the name of freedom, then we have lost our freedom. Getting someone else to commit our crimes for us in no way mitigates our guilt.
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02:35 PM on 06/18/2010
"To the extent that foreign governments have to intervene to bring justice to victims of U.S. policies, they will reveal the extent of the United States' current respect for the rule of law as well."

No call for justice for the Americans soldiers, or it's allies, or NATO forces, or journalists that have suffered brutal torture and beheading, and being paraded and drug in the streets, at the hands of the soldiers of the Afghanistan's or Iraqi's. None, zip, zilch, nada, zero.

What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander? We can't do it, they can? International law doesn't apply to all, just some?
12:25 AM on 06/19/2010
There are other articles for that when it happens. You seem to be missing the point of this partcular article and feel very strongly that an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is what's called for here no matter who's innocent or who is guilty regardless of LAW & ORDER. It's bad enough we've gone back to the Magna Carta. Do you want us to go back to caos, where violence is a continuation of blame and ignorance.
I repeat, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. We are AMERICANS and we should Stand with Fortitude and Moral fiber to exhibit the BEST legal, ethical, equality practices in the World for ALL citizens. With a good solid base we can then get others on board. It may not be popular to SAY WE WERE WRONG and that WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE for blattant criminal behavior; but we must for America to move forward to become the Shining Light others will follow.
12:12 PM on 06/18/2010
In Obama's defense, no President can undermine the power of his office by charging the previous President with a crime.

However, Obama is guilty of having voted himself, every other member of congress, and the Presidency amnesty in these acts. One of the few laws which he didn't vote 'present' for.
10:24 PM on 06/19/2010
There is no legal standing stating that a present President cannot charge the previous President of a crime. In fact, the Constitution, US Codes of Law, and Treaties signed & ratified by the USA require that the President require the prosecution of those, past or present, no matter what office they held or hold who have or may have committed a violation of the above. By not following this the President is committing a criminal offense (felony) prosecutable under US and International Laws. Pres. Obama must immediately proceed with investigation, arrest and prosecution of ex-Pres. GW Bush, ex-VP Dick Cheney and any other members of their administration & military who violated any of the above laws/treaties. By not doing so Pres. Obama risks other nations issuing warrants for the arrests of Bush, Cheney and others, the International Court at the Hague issuing warrants and even the posibility of warrants also being issued against Obama himself.

Numerous times in the past the USA, even under GW Bush, demanded that other nations arrest an ex-President or standing President of that nation to face criminal charges under the numerous international treaties against torture, inhumane activity, genecide, war crimes, etc. Why is it that we can demand this of any other nation, but refuse to follow the same when it involves the USA?
TO BE CONTINUED...
12:38 PM on 06/21/2010
Agreed, but the issue I presented is one of practicality not legality. Unfortunately, the law has been out the window for some time.
10:24 PM on 06/19/2010
CONTINUED...

I am a retired wartime veteran who has worked anti-terrorism against the Baader-Meinhof Netword (Gang) in Germany and I swore an oath to obey the US Constitution, laws, etc. Our President has also taken an Oath of Office to do the same. Like it or not, if you believe in and respect the Constitution of the USA and are a patriotic American you must demand that our President do that which is required under the Constitution, US Code of Laws and the Treaties we are a party to.
12:07 PM on 06/18/2010
Rendition, "We won't torture you, but we'll send your @ss to someone who will."

New and improved with terrorist fighting Obama! For that sparkling clean-hands feel!
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12:35 PM on 06/18/2010
Dropping someone off on the side of the road is far from beheading, but, what the hell, they were only Americas, who cares?
02:02 PM on 06/18/2010
No doubt.

BTW - Bitchin' handle.
09:52 AM on 06/18/2010
Those that condoning torturing suspects, do you reserve this (so called) effective techniques for only MEastern Detainees/Suspects?

We do have other horrific crimes with other than MEastern Suspects.

Rape, Child Rape, kidnapping, murder, terrorism,..

Besides how much could our own govt believe in it when they repeatedly denied they were doing it, authorized it,... and sat back and watch low-ranking troops go to prison over the very conditions their carte blanche authority enabled.
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12:20 PM on 06/18/2010
Well, it would have been nice if the article had been about the practice of torture, but it is not. It would have been nice if the article had been inclusive in regards to all of the victims of torture, but it is not. It is about money.

While the world, and the USA provides pictures of the torture of ME victims, with all it's horrors, it refuses to show pictures of the USA victims. They are silenced. Ms. Eviatar has nothing to say about them. Nothing.

Why is that? There is no money to be made off of them?

Rape, child rape, kidnapping, murder, terrorism............yup, it is all there and is being committed by both sides. Do you think that the ME's should be brought to justice as well, or just the Americans?
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SolarPowerGuy
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12:40 PM on 06/18/2010
Gosh, I've been saying this for -- seven years now?

WE are the Americans. We are SUPPOSED to be the good guys. We are supposed to be ABOVE "rape, child rape, kidnapping, murder, terrorism," and TORTURE. We have sent wave after wave of our armies on to foreign soil for almost a decade. A great many of the victims of our aggression are guilty of NOTHING. If we lose our moral authority, we're nothing.

"Do you think that the ME's should be brought to justice as well, or just the Americans? "

By "ME's" I assume you mean "Middle Easterners"? TERRORISTS should be brought to justice, certainly. Do I need to remind you (I probably do) that not every Muslim is a terrorist? Are you one of those people who views every injustice that Americans inflict in the Mideast as payback for 9/11? Just how broad and indiscriminate of a swath were you planning to cut through the civilian population, to get at the terrorists?

If you are so comfortable with that way of doing business, you might want to consider enlisting. It's not like the Obama Administration is showing any signs of reining in the vengeful attitudes of the past decade.
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SolarPowerGuy
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01:51 AM on 06/18/2010
I figured that the European courts would give President Obama nine months, at most, to begin to carry out our obligations under the International Conventions Against Torture.

They gave him eighteen months, and a Nobel Peace Prize in the mean time. I think they've been more than patient.
08:40 AM on 06/18/2010
Actually, it's all about politics.
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SolarPowerGuy
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12:19 PM on 06/18/2010
So it was all about politics when the United States prosecuted the Japanese for waterboarding after World War II? Your opinion is noted.
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09:19 AM on 06/18/2010
I don't think they would give Bush any time at all, its just the stigma that the U.S. commits war crimes and humane rights abuses.
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SolarPowerGuy
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12:26 PM on 06/18/2010
You might argue that the international courts gave Bush eight whole years, playing footsie with the world's "sole remaining superpower."

A review of the news suggests that those courts have been sitting on enough evidence to go to trial for quite some time. Abu Ghraib happened way back in 2003. A few underlings were prosecuted for the torture that took place there, but most people believe that the chain of responsibility reached considerably higher. Ditto for Baghram, Guantanamo, and various extraordinary rendition cases. We've been talking about this for years.
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01:26 AM on 06/18/2010
Administrations since Gerald Ford have let the prior administrations get away with dastardly deeds. It has become standard routine, habit. It is our shame. And all the wrongs get repeated ... worse!
11:54 PM on 06/17/2010
terrorists have no rights no free house, lunch or cloths, Lucky to be alive
12:59 AM on 06/18/2010
Put the Shoe on the OTHER Foot. What about being innocent until proven guilty. Fear based bias is prejudice and blatant RACE HATRED. Do you blindly follow everything your Leaders say just because you put your faith in them instead of oneself. There is only one difference here, the LEADER's are wealthy and getting wealthier and those with no power are getting poorer, dying on the battlefields, taken away, beaten, tortured. Open your eyes, your mind, your heart to the injustices this country has done and is still doing. Wherever we go so should America & our LAWS. No one is above the common law of the land.
04:48 AM on 06/18/2010
Race hatred, someone that is trying to kill me and is not successful that is race hatred? I think you along with all of your other Social Justice friends have a weird since of what is right? Bet you would have given that guy in Utah that was executed last night what he wanted an 140 acre garden and work with misguided children. Race hatred you are funny. Is that a new code for what you Social Justice people want?
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SolarPowerGuy
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12:13 PM on 06/18/2010
It's fascinating how people who jump to hyperbolic statements like "terrorists have no rights" overlook the fact that we're talking about SUSPECTS, not terrorists. To quote from the article:

"On Monday, the European Court of Human Rights announced that it would hear the case of Khaled el-Masri, a German citizen seized by Macedonian authorities at the request of the United States. El-Masri was beaten and abused during interrogations in both Macedonia and the notorious "Salt Pit" in Afghanistan. Authorities unceremoniously dumped him on a roadside in Albania WITHOUT CHARGING HIM WITH ANY WRONGDOING."

Try him, convict him. THEN he's a terrorist and can pay the penalty. Not before.
11:43 PM on 06/17/2010
Hey Daphne these idiots are terrorists, they don't have any rights and they are not going to get any taxpayer money. Sorry, Ms hate america.
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Bill Quinlivan
11:12 PM on 06/17/2010
We cannot afford NOT to look back. A society that allows such torturous acts to go unpunished and with restitution looses its right to stand for what we say we believe; severely looses face in the world community, and is damned to have such acts repeated by future leaders who have seen past leadership go unpunished. We have had Dick Cheney admit his role in torture publicly, thumbing his nose to the essence of our country's beliefs. He deserves to be punished for this and so much more. However, I expected nothing less from this Supreme Court. I can't help to believe that the pardoning of Richard Nixon led to the feeling on the part of Cheney and Bush that they could break the law and get away with doing so. I guess they were right.
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11:18 PM on 06/17/2010
LOL, ROTFL

Define "is".

Is that familiar, or quickly forgotten?
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Buying USA Feeds USA, Supports/Preserves USA
11:22 PM on 06/17/2010
I didn not have sex with that woman! ROTFL Wasn't she shrewd, she saved the dress. Gotta watch them women.

And caught in perjury. Remember that?
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SolarPowerGuy
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02:33 PM on 06/18/2010
Fellow HuffPosters, how long has it been since you had to say this...

"But but but... Cliiiiintoooooonnnnn...."
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SolarPowerGuy
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12:16 PM on 06/18/2010
Sadly, we can't lay blame at the feet of our right-wing Supreme Court, not yet. Why not? Because no one has brought charges against Cheney! Whose responsibility is it to bring lawsuits on behalf of the Federal Government? Attorney General Eric Holder.

When I hear Teabaggers whining about how left-wing this country has supposedly become, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
03:07 PM on 06/18/2010
Cry!
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10:31 PM on 06/17/2010
This is the prime reason that Barack has lost me. The fact that I live on the Gulf is also pretty high on the list, but the point is, there is a List of problems BHO has not addressed. Torture is just one item.
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11:01 PM on 06/17/2010
Were you forced to live on the gulf, or did you volunteer? If you live there voluntarily, why are you complaining? The spill comes with the terroitory, correct?
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Buying USA Feeds USA, Supports/Preserves USA
11:11 PM on 06/17/2010
Oh, and just to remind you, isn't that what you said about the American soldiers that suffered torture............they volunteered, correct?
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01:08 AM on 06/18/2010
Watch your mouth.
04:58 AM on 06/18/2010
You got hosed in the last election. I would agree with you that there was not a good candidate to choose from but you voted for the Blank Slate, voting present so many times might have given you a clue. Did you read his book he wanted to be looked upon as a blank canvas and man did you get that, I thank you and all of the rest that voted for Obama for putting us in the mess we are in or for at least continuing it. Guess what, there are no new jobs out there and won't be for along time until he pays back his union thugs. Follow the money one who is worried about torture. He will lie straight to your face. You want answers from him on torture, heck he is trying to figure out what and when the next crisis will be and where. You are worried about torture like you are going to be taken into some chamber and have rendition laid upon you. Thanks for the torture you and the others are putting us through for voting for the blank slate. Get a grip!
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10:23 PM on 06/17/2010
We're special, haven't you heard? Wait, that's exceptional. Either way, we don't have to meet the requirements of everyone else in the world because we're Gaw-ud's Kuntry(tm). The rest of the world can conform to their treaty obligations, the U. S. is so special and so right in the eyes of the Lowurd we just don't have to! I'd love to see the torturers brought to justice right up to the Torturer in Chief and his Sith Lord Right Hand. But it will never happen because, as we always have, we will fail to fulfill our treaty obligations at our whim.
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10:34 PM on 06/17/2010
Blah, blah blah..............yada yada, but no mention of bringing home our military people.

They aren't special, not even worth a mention, huh? Let them continue to be tortured, beheaded and drug through the streets?

But you have violated no obligations?
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kennethhdeome
Why can't both sides be wrong?
11:24 PM on 06/17/2010
I think Nosy will bring them home after the trials are over, until then their plight is evidence against the guilty.

Something like the sacrifice of the many to assure the prosecution of the few for sacrificing the many...

Nosy...?
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ProgressiveVoice
03:22 AM on 06/18/2010
Why do you think they are being "tortured, beheaded and drug through the streets?"? Could it be because of all the torture, not to mention the illegal invasion, that we have committed?

Bringing home the troops is a different issue. Wanting those in this country, military and political, responsible for reprehensible behaviors like torture to be prosecuted for their crimes doesn't say anything at all about what I believe our troops should be doing.
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10:23 PM on 06/17/2010
Why is there no call for justice/compensation for the American, allies, and NATO personnel, or even a mention of their pain and suffering, or that they experienced torture at the hands of the armed forces of Afghanistan and Iraq?

Money is the answer. There is no money to be made off of them. You can't sue impoverished nations. They have no money.

On the other hand, just think of the money that could be made if America was sued, or Britain was sued, or any other country of the NATO forces.

Money makes the world go round, folks. This is about money. Not about justice.
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johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
10:35 PM on 06/17/2010
Well De-meme-ing, I guess there would be no need for justice or compensation if American and allies were not in Afghanistan or Irag in the first place. But they were, because there was money to be made by the elite in those countries. What better way to redistribute tax dollar to Hallburton and all the other blood money welfare queen corporations.
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11:07 PM on 06/17/2010
I gave you a reply, they won't post it. Having said that, let's try again.

They are there, American human beings have suffered immeasurable torture. The question remains do you care? It really is a very simple question.
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Archie1955
11:53 PM on 06/17/2010
Unbelievable! You are so brainwashed that the very fact that American soldiers are invading and occupying foreign countries doesn't even cross your mind when you decry their treatment there. I ask what would you do to some foreign military personnel who would dare to invade, occupy, to rape and kill in the US? Now what makes you think Americans shouldn't get the same treatment when they do it in Iraq or Afghanistan? And no, exceptionalism doesn't excuse it.
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09:53 PM on 06/17/2010
There is nothing anti-American in investigating and prosecuting crimes. And crimes were committed under the Bush administration. Crimes against international law, crimes against domestic law, crimes against the American people and numerous innocent foreign nationals.

The guilty protest the loudest when the eye of justice turns on them. Witness Cheney's endless attempts at diversion and distraction.

Ms. Eviatar simply points out the obvious.

Whether or not the Obama administration has the stomach for it, there will be an accounting and as an American citizen I want to see the criminals prosecuted under all applicable law, domestic and international.

I want to see American justice prevail against American criminals.
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10:17 PM on 06/17/2010
But you call for no justice for American troops, allied troops, or NATO troops?

Let's not call them troops, let's call them what they are, people, human beings, how's that sound?

You do remember they are human beings, correct?

You want to see justice against American criminals but not her enemies?

And what about compensation for them? Do you care? Or, do you consider all the military people that served in the conflict, criminals?
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10:33 PM on 06/17/2010
No, but they are volunteers. When you go into training as a recruit, your ass belongs to the Army, or whatever branch of service. None of that is a surprise.
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kennethhdeome
Why can't both sides be wrong?
10:42 PM on 06/17/2010
Hey de, I'm back-seat quarterbacking again--or something like that.

Political service used to be in the same category as military service, a personal sacrifice for the good of the nation/country. The difference now is politicians write and pass legislation while our true defenders follow the orders of politicians, many of whom wear uniforms.

So now politicians get rich while those who actually make sacrifices get screwed...legally, mind you. Let's not forget that politics and defense (including law enforcement) are polar opposites: Defense is physical in nature and pretty hard to fake, while politics are based in abstracts like image and perception, and so easy to fake the fakers forget they're fakes because they have to put in very little effort.

So since the age of innocence ended, which I believe was the result of the Cuban Missile Crisis when the country and world first realized it could actually all be destroyed, we see political assassinations galore accompanied by an overt campaign by corporate America to effectively seize political power. The Vietnam War really gets going right after JFK's death, and the military-industrial machine started by Lincoln grows leaps and bounds.

Now "we" seem to want nothing more than a constant war status, readily provided by an enemy that is neither nation bound or readily identifiable. Someone's getting very wealthy supplying our military efforts while someone else is getting rich supplying them wars and a third party to do the fighting, dying and paying.