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The Dancing Parent: 'Punishing' Your Child? (Part 2)

Posted: 12/22/10 09:49 AM ET

In continuing our discussion from Part 1, let's take a step back from the five strategies we suggested for parents when their child misbehaves, and do a little reality check,

To be clear, we were not hinting in Part 1 that parents should somehow avoid assigning consequences when their child's behavior calls for parental intervention and guidance. Most children, we have always found, have an innate sense of fairness, so even when they protest, if the consequences are fair, even-handed, predictable and appropriate, they will, soon enough, see them as such -- if only in the privacy of their own thoughts.

In short: parents who retreat from insisting on consequences for their child's misbehavior deprive their kids of essential lessons in limits and boundaries, not only in their relationships with others but also in relation to their own lives and bodies. A child who does not understand that fire [fill in your own risky behavior here] can injure or kill is a danger to himself and others. And considering what children are exposed to today in terms of social and sexual diseases, drinking, drugs and all the rest of it, a healthy sense of limits and boundaries may be the only inner guides that can keep them safe from injuring themselves or others.

Striking the Balance

Try your best to set clear expectations, worthwhile goals, balanced, reliable rules and reasonable limits with your child. Do all this in advance so that everybody, parent and child, are all on the same page as to what counts as acceptable behavior and what does not. Try to always distinguish between their misbehavior of the moment and the long-term character traits you hope to instill in them as human beings. So if your goals are encouraging them to take care of others, be courteous and kind and have human decency, try to keep those goals well in sight, even when little Billy hits his sister. Remember, you can always take a step back from a heated or complicated moment and say, "This is serious. I'm going to think about it." Give yourself a chance to cool down before prescribing consequences.

Then, when quieter moments arrive, revisit your ultimate goals for their lives and character in as many creative ways as you can with your child -- because we all need repetition and reconsideration if we are to truly learn any life lesson.

A Few More Essential Keys:

In an ideal world, providing as much routine and structure as possible in their daily schedules assists them in following your lead. Yet in a world of soccer practices, music lessons and all the rest, eating a quick dinner in the back seat will likely be part of their lives, and yours, too. So communicating as often as possible about what the coming weeks may demand of you as a family can help them to feel that their busy lives nevertheless have a solid "center" -- an axis point you are always orbiting together, even when schedules and family demands change. By contrast, when children feel scattered or unconnected to the changing or chaotic conditions around them, they rebel in ways they themselves don't often understand, making things even more difficult on parents and children alike.

So when they misbehave -- as they most certainly will -- try your best to discover what their true intent might be: is it to test their changing boundaries? Is it to express anger at life's uncertainties? Or could it be to draw your attention back to them, because they feel you have been emotionally absent or otherwise unavailable? Let's face it, to a kid -- and to many adults, as well -- negative attention is far preferable to no attention. So if they feel they can't keep your attention with positive achievements, they will likely try to draw you in by another way...

Which means the best strategy for a parent is to always seek first to understand the reasons for their child's misbehavior, and that means you'll need to ask them questions. So ask, even if their answers are few or evasive. In time, your genuine interest -- not combative or intrusive -- but your authentic desire to understand them will help them to provide you with clues, if not the answer itself.

So listen, listen and listen.

And did we mention to be sure to listen??

As always, we appreciate your comments here, or at our website, TheDancingParent.com, where you can find more useful information on a wide variety of parenting topics, features and useful links, and where you can also sign up for our blogs. Until next time, keep dancing! (This material is copyrighted.)

 
 
 
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Vajara
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09:27 PM on 12/28/2010
I believe that children don't need to be punished. Parents set the patterns of conditioning that teach moral, healthy, respectful and responsible behavior. Don't count the kids out of the equation as they know how to behave by observing their signifant others. However, sometimes even the tone of the voice and expressions of anger can be enough to stop future treansgressions.
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BlueZoo
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10:32 AM on 12/27/2010
Parents, choose your battles carefully! A child comes home 30 minutes later than his curfew simply calls for a 30 minutes earlier curfew next time. You don't blow your top! There are far more serious transgressions you will possibly have to deal with and both you and your child need to know when serious sanctions are called for. Keeping the lines of communication open and peaceful will get you a long way when dealing with your children.
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f0rTyLeGz
Everything is falling.
06:13 PM on 12/25/2010
Many parents say that they want their children to be "disciplined," but what they mean is they want them to OBEY.
11:50 AM on 12/25/2010
Perhaps the example of Billy hitting his sister was a poor one in that our basic premise of no physical violence became confusing. We want the readers to clearly appreciate the important lessons that children hopefully will learn to value.....boundaries, rules, respect of others, concepts of right and wrong and no physical violence......In no circumstance is hitting acceptable in disciplining children. Children and parents have to learn other ways to communicate their anger, sadness, disappointment, and frustration. So Billy hitting his sister would require steps, consequences, conversations that this is not RIGHT and not the way of the family. Billy might have to converse with his sister, apologize, be assigned a consequence......whatever would be fitting in light of the previous history between the two ......But Billy would not be hit in turn. Hitting is not the way and we are very clear or at least try to be very clear about this. Thank you for responding to our blog.
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alahnar
A strange bedfellow indeed
11:34 PM on 12/23/2010
Just a little thought. A lot of parents seem to confuse discipline with punishment. "Kids these days need more discipline! In my day, I woulda been smacked if I said that to my dad!" Parents should keep in mind kids copy only what they see and learn. YOU are their guide! You are their world! Discipline and disciple have the same root word, people. Your kids follow your leads. All behavior has a purpose. Kids do not need punishment. Punishment is shaming. They need guidance. Kids feel safer with consistency and boundaries, NOT punishment and shaming.
08:33 PM on 12/23/2010
No one has a manuscript on how to best bring up our children but we do our best. At Lawson, as am sure you know we are not in the 50's 0r 60's anymore and a lot has changed as Tinman 1967 points out children of these times lack discipline hence the authors articles to assist parents through these not so obvious parenting guide lines as Lawson assumes. To dadw5boys, Lawson is right, you are doing what the authors are saying only in you have 'custom made' them for your boys but the same and as you pointed out it has worked out excellent for you so i must say the authors have a clue about what they are saying so we should recognize that don't you think? As for me am glad for there help and even if it may seem like something obvious am sure there is millions of parents that appreciate help now and then given the ever growing and changing world we live in today so a thumbs up to the authors, thank you for taking out the time :-)
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lotusgirl
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04:19 PM on 12/23/2010
for my own child, i had to learn this lesson. when i grew up, we were cursed, screamed at, slapped or whipped for the smallest infraction.

i thought this was okay, until i had my own child. i could see she was so crushed by harsh treatment, so i started talking to her more and punishing less. i found that when i lost my voice to laryngitis, she acted much better. after that, i've never raised my voice at her again.

she's now a senior in high school, and the house is so peaceful. i get on her nerves and she on mine. but, we talk things out when we have a difference and show each other respect.
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bgofca
12:11 PM on 12/23/2010
the trouble with parent child relationships are often because someone doesn't understand why someone does something, so a discussion about why would be helpful. It is important for a child to learn how to get along in the world and to observe the "rules" that the family and or parent expects (hopefully they are reasonable rules). But one important thing that is often overlooked is how we speak to and treat our kids on an every day basis. When our child accidently spills or breaks something, do we give them the same slack as we would our friends or even a stranger, or are we critical and/or yelling at them?. when our child misbehaves do we treat them at least as well as we would our friends or a stranger. We need to be kind in our treatment of our children and listen to them so we can understand why they are doing things we don't approve of. We would do the same for anyone else, so why not our children that we love so much.
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12:02 PM on 12/23/2010
Looking at the intention of an act, whether it's by a child or spouse can be very liberating I've found. Liberating for all parties. It doesn't excuse the behaviour, but it certainly helps to explain it. Example: a husband is late picking up his spouse. Was his intention to tick his spouse off, because he's perpetually late and thoughtless, or...was it because there was construction work up the road and his being late was unavoidable. I have personally found that looking at the intention helps with the measure of my reaction. As I care for 2 toddlers part time, I find it also makes a big difference when one of them decides that the cat needs washing and they put it in the dishwasher. Was it their intention to hurt the cat, or was it to help? No cats were harmed in the writing of this story ;)
06:12 PM on 12/23/2010
Wise words. Never forget to look at the intention of the act!
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Lawson Meadows
Plant in your kids, the seeds of greatness!
11:55 AM on 12/23/2010
Darryl and Leslie,

It is odd that some object to discovering why kids are upset, act out, and break the rules as you suggest, yet say they are for discipline, limits, rules, and such. Didn't you said the same thing? For example:

"...we were not hinting... that parents should somehow avoid assigning consequences when their child's behavior calls for parental intervention and guidance."

and...

"... set clear expectations, worthwhile goals, balanced, reliable rules and reasonable limits with your child. Do all this in advance so that everybody, parent and child, are all on the same page as to what counts as acceptable behavior..."

and...

"... parents who retreat from insisting on consequences for their child's misbehavior deprive their kids of essential lessons in limits and boundaries, not only in their relationships with others but also in relation to their own lives and bodies.

If setting limits, ensuring consequences, and establishing rules are "new age", then my parents were new age in the '50's and '60's.

Apparently, some object to being told they should listen to their children's concerns regarding situations contributing to bad behavior. I wonder if those feeling that way would refuse to listen to employee concerns too?

Kids need parental experience guiding them; parents need to listen to know when the kids wander off the path. Besides, it shows you give a damn, and may avoid them seeking advice from other, less reliable "sources".

Merry Christmas!
Lawson Meadows
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CLSayles
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07:42 AM on 12/23/2010
Hmmm. This "new wave" parenting strikes me as being a little too soft. Children need boundaries and rules. Our society works within the rules and laws and the kids should too. I don't believe in "capital" punishment for my children, but some "constructive" punishments are really good. They refuse to clean their room, start removing items out. Start with the TV and wrk around the whole room. They won't put the dishes in the dishwasher. Assign them a dinner set that only they will use and make them wash the dishes by hand. My Mom never had a dishwasher, because she had me...
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
11:22 AM on 12/24/2010
Read the article again. The authors are not suggesting that kids do not need boundaries and rules. The authors are suggesting that we are incorrect in the ways in which we respond to infractions of those rules.

You are free to argue that the authors are wrong, but please try to summarize their arguments accurately.
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french queen13
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10:14 PM on 12/29/2010
I sure hope you don't believe in capital punishment for them - that means execution! Try "corporal" punishment ... :)
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12:51 PM on 12/22/2010
This advice feels very squishy to me, and too easy for parents to opt out.

My personal observation about a lot of parenting I see outside my family is that parents are too lenient and consequences for poor, or genuinely self-destructive, behavior is practically non-existent. We wonder why kids are so aimless today? It's because they have had everything done for them their whole lives, with little practice on how to be responsible and independent.

I'm a big fan of giving kids greater responsibility along with greater privileges. Operative word here is "privilege" which can be taken away when behavior or school performance is not up to snuff.
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onionboy
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03:38 PM on 12/22/2010
It's about following through every time, regardless of the discipline you end up choosing (although obviously make it meaningful). If they know that there's a 100% chance that they receive a consequence, no matter how small, every time they do a behavior, they'll stop the behavior. On the other hand, if they'll face a consequence only 20% of the time, and the consequence is major, they'll probably go ahead and risk it. Most of us do the same thing driving as adults. We speed. We get a ticket every five years or so, possibly for a lot of money, we slow down for 6-months, and then we're right back to it. If I got a $2 fine for speeding, but I got it every time I sped or even half of the time...I can tell you that I'd stop speeding.
04:17 PM on 12/23/2010
I tend to agree with you. Kids are generally motivated by their desire to get their way that is not to say that desire makes them bad but rather human. It is important to recognize that generally speaking most people exhibit poor behavior or frustration because the lines are too long, traffic isn't moving fast enough or truly stopping at stop signs isn't really that necessary. We often look to justify our own poor behavior and kids being thinking individuals do the same. Life's activities are a privilege i.e. if you go into a restaurant make the boundaries clear there will be no running or screaming or we will leave. Behaving oneself is the biggest responsibility we have to ourselves and should not be judged as punishment but rather discipline.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
12:21 PM on 12/22/2010
I do not buy it.
Child's intent should be to behave and respect their parents wished by telling their parent what they are doing before hand until they are 18 years old !
If they are adventuring to into new areas of life I have to be informed.
Mine know they can come to me with anything I do not care what it is. I taught mine the I can not protect them epically from themselves if they do not help me.
So if they get into trouble and have no talked to me first they know I will be there to listen but they take the full responsibility for their actions.

I am their adviser and parent not an investigating body looking for evidence. I will not prying and searching for meaning of what my kids are doing !t
My kids owe me more respect than that to force me into that position.
I am the Parent not their friend.

Must be doing something right. None in jail or on probation doing great in school and heading for college even have colleges head hunting 2nd oldest for Medical School.

Parent get your kids to watch the MIT Lectures on Youtube epically the Physic Lectures. When they see Math Applied to practical needs they will light up.

I also demand my kids take accounting classes because they will be dealing with money their whole lives no matter what kind of work they do.
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Lawson Meadows
Plant in your kids, the seeds of greatness!
08:53 PM on 12/22/2010
dadw5boys,

Can't argue with success, though the presentation was a bit sloppy; a small problem proofreading would surely fix . However, what most people forget is wisdom and truth don't have to pass "no English tests"... so to speak.

The fact that you raised 5 boys and kept them all free from serious trouble is impressive. I would guess one key to your success might be the establishment of their trust in you and in themselves.

When reading your comment and the article, I see many similarities and believe you are not that far apart. Ultimately, the authors support the application of specific consequences, clear expectations, listening, and respect...

"...set clear expectations, worthwhile goals, balanced, reliable rules and reasonable limits with your child."

... sounds like what you did, so your "not buying it" is a little puzzling. Nevertheless, much of you approach is supported by practical results and solid research, i.e. parental expectation tends to influence children's behavior in that direction, and the opposite... no expectations ... has little to no positive effect.

There are many paths leading to guiding children toward being capable, fully functioning adults, but, all of them have one thing in common: engaged parents who give a damn; it appears you do. I'm a fan for that reason alone, not to mention raising five boys.

Lawson Meadows

PS: You have to admit what janedoe31 wrote was sorta funny, maybe that's why she wrote it(?)
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
12:39 AM on 12/23/2010
If you debate long enough the child will be an adult.
11:37 AM on 12/22/2010
I think you are right in that the key is often the child's intention. Once you find out why they did something, you can understand better what is going on.
Being clear about your own intentions also helps. Intending to understand your child's behavior is number one. To find out where they are coming from is essential. Punishment and consequences don't mean much if the child doesn't feel understood as to why - then they can repeat the behavior until you do intend to listen and understand them.
10:52 AM on 12/22/2010
The lack of discipline these days is a major cause for violence in this world. Little monsters grow up to be big monsters. Punishment should be handed out when deserved including physical punishment.
02:29 AM on 12/23/2010
(if by "physical punishment" you don't mean spanking, please disregard)

if children are introduced to the idea that hitting is ok if the receiver sufficiently disappointed us, when are they to unlearn that, exactly? their parents are showing them that physically assaulting a younger, smaller, less learned, curious little person is ok, so how would this not be a cause for the violence you mention, instead of a cure? (if i make no sense it's because my own "little monster" has run me ragged today)
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alahnar
A strange bedfellow indeed
11:32 PM on 12/23/2010
The most violent children come from homes where violence is punished, but also given to them. Example: if your kid hits his sister, and you spank him, science says your kid is going to be more violent than a kid who doesn't get hit. Can't argue with fact, no ifs ands, or anecdotal evidence to the contrary about it, buddy.

You're confusing discipline with punishment, like so many people do. Discipline comes from the word disciple. Your kid will follow your lead!