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If Derrick Rose Didn't Shoot as Much Would He Have a Shot at MVP?

Posted: 02/21/11 06:55 PM ET

Should Derrick Rose be the NBA's Most Valuable Player this year?

Not surprisingly, the local media in Chicago thinks Rose is a candidate. And Rick Reilly of ESPN.com agrees. In the Reilly article, we learn that Rose also thinks he should be MVP. There is even a website -- derrickrosemvp.com -- dedicated to this notion.

At the risk of making Rose's fans angry, though, I am going to suggest otherwise.

Let me begin my outrageous suggestion with a simple observation. Last year, no one -- even Derrick Rose -- thought he should be MVP. So clearly something has changed since last year to change people's perceptions.

To understand what has changed, let's talk briefly about what appears to drive voting for the NBA's MVP award. A few years ago Aju Fenn and I presented a paper exploring the factors that primarily determine the media's votes for the league MVP. The two factors that appeared to matter the most: Points Scored and Team Wins

In general, the league MVP tends to be a leading scorer on a winner. Given this criteria, it's not surprising that Rose was not considered in 2009-10. The Bulls only won 41 games last year. And Rose only averaged 20.8 points per game.

This season the Bulls -- after just 54 games -- have already won 38 games (the 5th best mark in the NBA). Rose is also 8th in the NBA in scoring with an average of 24.9 points per game. Given how scoring dominates perceptions of player's performances, it's not surprising that people think that Rose is clearly the reason why the Bulls have improved.

When we consider more than just scoring, though, it's clear that Rose is getting some help in Chicago. The box score statistics tabulated by the NBA can be used to measure how many wins a player produces (Wins Produced and WP48 - or Wins Produced per 48 minutes -- is explained here). And last year, here are the players who primarily produced wins for the Chicago Bulls:

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Although the Bulls won 41 games, the team was actually outscored by their opponent's in the regular season. Consequently, the team's Wins Produced was closer to 37 wins. And as the above table indicates, these wins were primarily produced by five players: Joakim Noah, Luol Deng, Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, and Kirk Hinrich. Everyone else on the roster (the team employed 13 more players) only produced 2.1 additional wins (NBA teams tend to get most of their wins from a minority of their roster).

In the off-season the Bulls added several players, including Carlos Boozer and Ronnie Brewer (yes, Ronnie Brewer was an important addition). And Derrick Rose, who is only 22 years old, got better (this is not unusual, young players often improve). Although Rose is offering more, the key to the Bulls success appears to be the new players added. As the following table indicates, the Bulls - after 54 games - have produced 37.5 wins (as noted, the team has won 38 games).

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Rose is leading the team in Wins Produced. But he is definitely getting some help. Boozer, Brewer, Deng, and Noah have combined to produce 21.5 wins. And Everyone Else on the roster (the nine players not among the top five in Wins Produced) has chipped in 7.4 wins.

To put this in perspective, had Rose been as productive in 2009-10 as he is this year, the Bulls would have won only six or seven more games last season. And with Rose playing on a team that failed to reach 50 wins, few people - outside of Rose's diehard fans -- would have suggested Rose should be MVP in 2010.

Okay, Rose is getting some help this year. But he has improved. And he does lead the team in overall productivity (but not in WP48, or Wins Produced per 48 minutes). Shouldn't he still be part of the MVP discussion in 2011?

One could note that Rose is not the most productive player in the game (in terms of Win Produced). LeBron James and Dwight Howard -- just to name two players on contending teams -- are each offering more. And point guards like Chris Paul, Steve Nash, and Rajon Rondo are also more productive.

However, I don't want to focus on the productivity of other players. What I want to focus upon is the number of shots Rose takes and how I think this drives people's perceptions of his performance.

Rose is currently taking 20.2 field goal attempts per game. Only two players in the league -- Monta Ellis and Kobe Bryant -- have attempted more field goals this season. And for the season he has taken nearly 300 more shots from the field than Luol Deng, the player who ranks second on the Bulls in shot attempts.

Of course, Rose is the team's point guard so he has a great deal of influence on who gets to shoot. But let's imagine that Rose decided to take just six fewer shots a game.

Rose currently has an effective field goal percentage of 0.488. Kyle Korver, Carlos Boozer, Kurt Thomas, Keith Bogans, Joakim Noah, and Luol Deng are all more efficient from the field than Rose. So if Rose let just let one of these teammates take three of his shots each half, it seems unlikely the Bulls would be worse off.

After all, many of these players have taken more shots per game (at similar levels of shooting efficiency) for other teams in the past. So it seems likely that Rose passing the ball a bit more often wouldn't cause the number of games won by the Bulls to decline.

But Rose's scoring per game would clearly decline. If Rose took six fewer field goal attempts per game, his scoring per game (given his current level of shooting efficiency) would decline from 24.9 to 19.0.

In this scenario, the Bulls would probably still be just as successful on the court. But since Boozer scores more than 19.0 points per game, Rose would no longer be the leading scorer on the team. And if Rose is not the leading scorer on this team, would Rose still be an MVP candidate?

It is still possible he might. Steve Nash won two MVP awards without leading his team in scoring. And if Rose passed more often, he might finish with as many assists as Nash (Rose would need to average two or three more assist per game to match Nash's performance during his MVP season). But although voters have rewarded a passer in the past, more often than not it is scoring that attracts the attention of the media.

So if Rose wants to win this award -- and yes, he said he did -- then he would be wise to keep focusing on his shot attempts and his scoring. The media, though, would be wise to ask themselves the following question: Should Rose's decision to give himself more shots at the expense of his teammates be rewarded?

 
 
 
Should Derrick Rose be the NBA's Most Valuable Player this year? Not surprisingly, the local media in Chicago thinks Rose is a candidate. And Rick Reilly of ESPN.com agrees. In the Reilly article, ...
Should Derrick Rose be the NBA's Most Valuable Player this year? Not surprisingly, the local media in Chicago thinks Rose is a candidate. And Rick Reilly of ESPN.com agrees. In the Reilly article, ...
 
 
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dlkillinois
I will won't do that.
08:32 PM on 02/27/2011
As long as LeBron James has a pulse, he's the league MVP. I'm a Bulls fan, and I can't stand LeBron, but he's simply the best around, without question. The entire league scurried and shuffled itself to line up a shot at getting him through free agency- by that measure, he's without question the MVP.

I love Derrick Rose. Would I trade him in a heartbeat to have LBJ in a Bulls uniform? Yep.
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09:16 AM on 02/28/2011
Some elements of truth in that, but the definition of MVP, to me is, where would your CURRENT team be without you, and LBJ's current team would probably be right where they are now, perhaps a couple more losses, but not that many....whereas the Bulls, without DRose would probably be around the 15 win mark right about now.
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10:41 AM on 02/28/2011
I guess it depends on what you define the MVP to be- is it the most valuable player on a team, or on a league? Because if it's by team, then DRose. League MVP? LeBron.
08:11 PM on 02/27/2011
Perhaps the slicing and dicing of statistics may yield metrics that will be useful in coaching strategy; at present the advice offered by Mr. Berri and his ilk strike me as nerds "lecturing birds on flying".
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11:43 PM on 02/22/2011
Dwight Howard is MVP- if the rest of the team wasn't a bunch of up-tight underperformers
D-Wade is better than D-Rose and they have the same game- and D-Wade may win the Chip.
I'd rather have D-Will or CP- and maybe Rondo as my point.
Because in the end, D-Rose has to prove he can win in the money season. The regular season is fluff, made for players like Nowitzki or Amare to put up numbers that mean nothing in the end.
06:51 PM on 02/22/2011
DRose for MVP!!!
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07:48 AM on 02/22/2011
Rose is the BEST scoring option on his team, he can get to the basket any time he wants which usually ends up in a layup or free throws, he should continue to do that....
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11:46 PM on 02/22/2011
Rose should make the decision as to who is the best scoring option when he runs a play, as it is, he is doing so much himself that when the money season comes, other teams will shut him down and the rest of team isn't going to be ready to pick up the slack. I think the Bulls could go out in the second round.
10:16 PM on 02/21/2011
As long as there's a Kobe and/or Lebron, it's going to be hard for anyone else to be the NBA MVP. I think Rose may be the most improved player this year, however, He's consistently made better decisions, both with the ball and his shooting, and he's matured enough mentally and emotionally that his team now looks to him as the leader.

Before Rose, as good as he's become, can even begin to be considered for MVP, he'll have to get his team deep into the playoffs, and knock off either Miami or Boston, which isn't going to happen this year unless one of those teams has a complete meltdown or loses 2 or more of its starting five.
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11:49 PM on 02/22/2011
Kobe is done as MVP unless he takes some serious time off this summer and somehow rejuvenates. The dude has hit the wall. LeJoke has to prove he has heart in the playoffs. He's got the skills, but does he have the character to win? Giving him the MVP after last year would be like giving the MVP to Dirk again.
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08:29 PM on 02/27/2011
Remember the year that MVP voters gave Karl Malone the MVP instead of Michael Jordan, just to spite Michael Jordan? Yeah...

LeBron altered the way that the entire league operated for a few years in anticipation of his free agency. That says to me that NBA teams have deemed him to be pretty valuable...
01:08 AM on 02/23/2011
"he'll have to get his team deep into the playoffs, and knock off either Miami or Boston, which isn't going to happen this year"

It's happened and the Bulls have yet to play with a 100% healthy team. Out of 3 games against Boston, Bulls have won once. No surprise there...Boston is a tough team, but the only positive thing about those games is that it wasn't a blow out, so the Bulls can hang...they just need to find stronger defense. As for the Heat...Chicago has them beat so far.
08:13 PM on 02/21/2011
If Rose wants to win MVP then he will keep doing what he's been doing. I'm tired of you statisticians trying use all these numbers to justify a players effectiveness. Just watch the damn games and you will see for your self why D. Rose has been playing at a MVP level. Have you watched the games against top teams? D. Rose destroyed the Spurs with 42 and the Celtics with 36 at home not to forget that he also went head to head against Kobe and D. Wade and got the best of them at home this season. As the team's best player he has led them to a better record than many expected, given the injuries this year. Take D. Rose off of the Bulls and tell me how good they will be Mr. statistician? Give me a stat for his drive, clutch, and ability to come up with key late game plays? Yes, D. Rose takes a lot of shots but how many times has D. Rose shot his team out of a game? If the amount of shots were taking his team out of games then that would be another story but the bulls tend to struggle at times on offense which is why Thibs wants him to shoot so much. Start following the Bulls a little better and you will see what I mean.
12:51 PM on 02/22/2011
Perfect comment. Stats can only tell you one part of the game. To truly understand who is good you have to WATCH the games. You can find stats to make ANY player seem he isn't as good as he is. Just find stats that Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, Durant, etc. are not the best in and you can make the same exact argument this writer did to say they aren't the best.

There are so many nuances and variables interacting in a basketball game that you can't make arguments based solely on statistics. Just Rose being on the floor makes his teammates better. The author says that his teammates are more efficient from the field than he is. So what? Efficiency in and of itself doesn't win ballgames. Kurt Thomas, Keith Bogans, and Kyle Korver are not even close to being the type of player who can lead a team. Who cares if they are efficient? They have to be to be good role players because they aren't great players.

Honestly, I don't even think this writer watches the games.
01:14 AM on 02/23/2011
I agree. I bet that I'd be more efficient on the court if the defense had 3 guys on Rose while I sat open for a 10 footer too. A BIG reason the other players are more efficient is because Rose is constantly doubled & tripled teamed.