I Was There: What Obama Really Said About Pennsylvania

Posted April 14, 2008 | 11:54 AM (EST)



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Last Sunday evening I attended the San Francisco fundraiser that has been the center of recent political jousting. The next day, when asked about the talk Obama delivered, I too commented about his answer to a question he was asked about Pennsylvania. Over the past week, though, I have had a Rashomon-like experience concerning those remarks.

Clinton, McCain, and media pundits have parsed a blogger's audio tape of Obama's remarks and criticized a sentence or two characterizing some parts of Pennsylvania and the attitudes of some Pennsylvanians. In context and in person, Senator Obama's remarks about Pennsylvania voters left an impression diametrically opposed to that being trumpeted by his competitor's campaigns.

At the end of Obama's remarks standing between two rooms of guests -- the fourth appearance in California after traveling earlier in the day from Montana -- a questioner asked, "some of us are going to Pennsylvania to campaign for you. What should we be telling the voters we encounter?"

Obama's response to the questioner was that there are many, many different sections in Pennsylvania comprised of a range of racial, geographic, class, and economic groupings from Appalachia to Philadelphia. So there was not one thing to say to such diverse constituencies in Pennsylvania. But having said that, Obama went on say that his campaign staff in Pennsylvania could provide the questioner (an imminent Pennsylvania volunteer) with all the talking points he needed. But Obama cautioned that such talking points were really not what should be stressed with Pennsylvania voters.

Instead he urged the volunteer to tell Pennsylvania voters he encountered that Obama's campaign is about something more than programs and talking points. It was at this point that Obama began to talk about addressing the bitter feelings that many in some rural communities in Pennsylvania have about being brushed aside in the wake of the global economy. Senator Obama appeared to theorize, perhaps improvidently given the coverage this week, that some of the people in those communities take refuge in political concerns about guns, religion and immigration. But what has not so far been reported is that those statements preceded and were joined with additional observations that black youth in urban areas are told they are no longer "relevant" in the global economy and, feeling marginalized, they engage in destructive behavior. Unlike the week's commentators who have seized upon the remarks about "bitter feelings" in some depressed communities in Pennsylvania, I gleaned a different meaning from the entire answer.

First, I noted immediately how dismissive his answer had been about "talking points" and ten point programs and how he used the question to urge the future volunteer to put forward a larger message central to his campaign. That pivot, I thought, was remarkable and unique. Rather than his seizing the opportunity to recite stump-worn talking points at that time to the audience -- as I believe Senator Clinton, Senator McCain and most other more conventional (or more disciplined) politicians at such an appearance might do -- Senator Obama took a different political course in that moment, one that symbolizes important differences about his candidacy.

The response that followed sounded unscripted, in the moment, as if he were really trying to answer a question with intelligent conversation that explained more about what was going on in the Pennsylvania communities than what was germane to his political agenda. I had never heard him or any politician ever give such insightful, analytical responses. The statements were neither didactic nor contrived to convince. They were simply hypotheses (not unlike the kind made by de Tocqueville three centuries ago ) offered by an observer familiar with American communities. And that kind of thoughtfulness was quite unexpected in the middle of a political event. In my view, the way he answered the question was more important than the sociological accuracy or the cause and effect hypotheses contained in the answer. It was a moment of authenticity demonstrating informed intelligence, and the speaker's desire to have the audience join him in a deeper understanding of American politics.

There has been little or no reaction to the part of the answer that was addressed to the hopelessness of inner city youth who have been rendered "irrelevant" to the global economy. No one has seized upon those words as "talking down" to the inner city youth whose plight he was addressing. If extracted from an audio tape HuffPost Blogger Fowler, those remarks could (and may yet) be taken out of context as "Obama excuses alienation and violence by urban youth." But in context, Senator Obama's response sounded like empathetic conclusions and opinions of a keen observer: more like Margaret Mead than Machiavelli.

As the week's firestorm evolved over these remarks at which I was an accidental observer, I have reflected upon the regrettable irony that has emerged from Senator Obama's response to a friendly question: no good effort at intelligent analysis, candor -- and what I heard as an attempt to convey a profound understanding of both what people feel and why they feel it - goes unpunished. Such insights by a political candidate might otherwise be valued. In a national campaign subject to opposition research, his analytical musing has instead created an immense amount of political flak.

Now and "in this time," to invoke one of the candidate's favorite riffs, such observations and remarks shared among supporters are just a push of a record button on a tape recorder away from being spread across the internet to be dissected by political nabobs. What struck me immediately after the fundraiser as so refreshing turned out to be a moment Senator Obama is forced to regret. Today we marvel at de Tocqueville insights about American communities. Apparently, such commentary is valued as long as it is three centuries old and doesn't come from the mouth of a contemporary observer who might be elected president.

So much for the political ironies. But there is one more personal observation that was missed.

I happened to be on the balcony when Senator Obama's vehicles arrived and he emerged from the Secret Service SUV. Obama shouted the friendly greeting "How are you guys up there doing?" to the group of us looking down from the balcony and then said, "You have to excuse me, I need to call my kids in Chicago now." 2008-04-14-obama019_350.jpgAll of us stood and watched the leading candidate for the Democratic party nomination for president have a short conversation with his kids before he entered a fundraiser to make his remarks.

No tape of that conversation has emerged as yet. Who knows how casual remarks of a father to his children or his wife on a cell phone could be spun to support the argument that as a father speaking to his kids two time zones away before they go to bed, his comments sounded as if he "looked down" upon them. Given his relative height and the age of his kids, he probably does. But that would be precisely as relevant to his capacity to unite and lead this country as were the remarks at the fundraiser that have been so deconstructed over this past week.

 

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Partial (but fuller) transcript posted at Obama website: http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/04/11/transcript_of_obamas_remarks_a.php

"OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government... the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania..."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 04/21/2008

David, are you serious? He said what he said. It was recorded - not just reported. There weren't one or two sentences taken out of context, he went on and on. In fact, as reported by Tim Russert on Meet the Press, the more context you put his often reported remarks into, the worse they sound. There can be no conclusion that passes a test of reason or sanity that doesn't come down to this: Senator Obama thinks that the rural white people of Pennsylvania and other midwestern states are deeply prejudiced against him because of his race and that they vote for candidates who share or pander to their "values" regarding religion and/or gun ownership because they are economically disadvantaged. You can agree with him. You can wish he hadn't said it. But, for the sake of your reputation as a sentient human being, you shouldn't try to rationalize away the fact that he said what he said and he meant what he said.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 04/20/2008

There's always someone to tell us what he really said or what he really meant. Why is it that Obama can't say what he really means?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 04/20/2008

He has been telling us. People are not listening. Some people won't believe that we have someone in our mist that actually cares. It's like bad relationships, once you have go through them enough of times then you stop trusting and believing. When the right one comes along we question everything about them.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 04/20/2008

This is the kind of context that Fowler's blog lacked (whether my intent or lack of journalistic training, its hard to know).

Too bad you weren't able to share this as a talking head this week. The truth--combined with your reflections on Obama's underlying sincerity at this forum--would have been so refreshing.

Your insight--that Obama is sincere, thoughtful, and intelligent and treats voters as if he expects them to be the same--will continued to be lost in the media. My son, watching the pseudo-debate on Wednesday, said, "They're going to destroy his optimism about people, aren't they?"

I said, "I hope not. I hope Obama's really the one who can change the "gotchas" over things that don't matter in our lives, and get rid of endless talking points that pass for political dialogue in this country."

Yes we can. (?)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/20/2008

I'm from SW PA, and when I heard the sound bite from the Calif. fundraiser, my immediate reaction was "What's all the fuss about? He's exactly right!!" As I thought it over for a day or two, I was even more impressed because he obviously has the ability to come here for a short time and make such an astute observation of the prevailing mind-set of the state.
As I told my wife, "Obama may actually care about us, if he's taking our story to contributors all the way across the country." I actually felt as though we were suddenly noticed by someone in power. One can only hope....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 04/20/2008

daddyG56,

I cross the twisting and turning Monongahela River THREE times each morning on my way to work in the Strip District of Pittsburgh. I drive the back way in through Squirrel Hill and Penn Avenue. When I heard Obama's remarks i reacted EXACTLY like you "What's all the fuss about? He's exactly right!!"

There are people in Pennsylvania who are Jim Crow under their skin. Everyone knows it. My Dad with his boyhood friends found one of his buddie's father's Klan outfits in the 1920's. They were utterly shocked but tried it on anyway as nine year old boys before hiding it back under the bed. That element was clearly here under the surface back then. Everyone knows it.

There are people in little towns that are dumber than a bag of depleted uranium hammers. You have people holding onto their guns very tightly like their guns are their dicks. That is about all you can do when entire industries are gone. Your job is gone and is never coming back. So all you have is your gun to be your symbolic dick and Jesus to pray to for help. So what else is new?

Everyone here knows the fix people are in. We dug the coal and made the steel to build New York City over the 19th and 20th Centuries and the investment bankers could now give a rat's ass about us now. So what's the big wup? I

Damn, I do miss Myron Cope!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 04/20/2008

Excellent !!! Thank you, hope lots of people will read. I am an imigrant, married to american and I noticed even in a conversations with my husband the differences in expressing feelings. I am very open and he is reserved, finally one day I realized why is this happening and I think that even so I come from Eastern Europe I was always free to scream out my feelings, my toughts I have never had to repressed them. Here we teach our children to be nice and quiet and as a result grownups don't know how to express themselves, they not alowed to feel anything even close to being angry, being upsed is the highest negative feeling aceptable. Upset thou is a feeling of a victim, anger is a feeling of a person in power, only love and anger can change the world... Just think about it. Why it is that we are told not to feel the high amplitude feelings ?? I deeply belive there is a political reason for. Victims are much easier to control and govern then people in power. We are told that we have rights, but not power... take a "right to vote" it's only right ... in my opinion right without a power is wortless.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 04/20/2008

Mr. Coleman, your article is truly revealing, however, I find it disturbing that the facts were hidden until after the damage to Mr. Obama"s credibility was complete. It is widely known that Mrs. Clinton's supporters require in-depth explanations, so why, pray-tell, were these truths not revealed sooner-- unless, Mr. Coleman, you are a CLINTONISM follower.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 04/18/2008

What a beautiful and profound post. Thank you.
I was not at the fundraiser, but I had a similar response when I first read Obama's words. (I first read them on Huffington Post, embedded in a slightly larger context than the one-sentence sound byte they became.) I was struck by the depth of intelligence, turn of mind, and capacity for reflection on subtle complexity that they revealed. This from a politician, someone who could be our next president. It evoked a certain awe in me, as does this essay by Mr. Coleman. Please keep writing, keep offering your perceptions. It is only with enough voices like these that the public, political discourse will be elevated, and enough people will be able to perceive the special opportunity we have now to change the direction of this country and, perhaps, the world.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 04/18/2008

An excellent post....and a treat to have something more or less first hand.
For as long as I remember I've heard it said that a man is as good as his word. When a man's word is twisted and snipped beyond recognition it pretty much defiles that correlation.
Talk about trial by fire. If Barack Obama can take the heat of this contest, I think it's fair to say his spine is at least as steely as Hillary's.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 04/17/2008

Mr. Coleman, thanks for sharing the full context of Senator Obama's remarks.
However, I am convinced that the vast majority of fair minded people will not
take Senator Obama's words out of context. This time, "the good guy" is going
to win!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 04/17/2008

Great post, however you might be too intelligent and insightful for a number of Americans. The way this has been spun in the media (to no avail according to polling numbers) is a travesty to the entire political process. While i have come to expect nothing more from the media, what is absoutely disurbing to me is that Hillary and John McCain both jumped on the bandwagon susbsequently calling Obama an "elitist". To me, this shows what Hillary and John actually think of the intelligence of the public. This has to been one of the most assinine arguments that I have ever heard, however, they were quick to jump on this within hours of the release. Obviously, they didn't have time to review the complete statement or to research tthe entire context of the meeting. To think that they would both go to this level gives an indication of how they really think of the public.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 04/17/2008

Bless you, Mr. Coleman, for setting the record straight. We need no more "out of context" quotes. Barack Obama has been about telling the truth, from the beginning.

More than that, Barack Obama is a man who is able to shrug off insults and continue to tell the truth. May he continue in this path.

He is most certainly a man of righteousness and he deserves to be our President. Let us make that happen. Not for his sake, but the sake of all righteous Americans. We do deserve a President as good as he could be.

And what a blessing it would be to go from "The Worst President Ever" to a President we could trust and respect and, even, love -- like Barack Obama. I'm a devout atheist and I still hope that your God will bless Barack. We all (of different beliefs or disbeliefs) can come together to support a new America, one that a man like Barack Obama can lead.

I, personally, don't care about his religious beliefs. I care about his political beliefs. And I support him.

I reserve the right to criticize him, but I will gladly vote for Barack Obama for President. He deserves it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 04/18/2008

All I have to say is...

Where is John Edwards when you need him?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 04/17/2008

You know, originally John Edwards was my first choice candidate. But, I'm very disappointed that he has refused to take a stand in supporting one or the other remaining dem candidate in the last few months. It almost seems, to me, as if he is hiding and sulking (since he didn't garner as much support as he had hoped, then he just won't participate at all????)

Whether he endorsed my preferred candidate or not, he is such an important voice on labor and health issues that I feel he needs to be a part of this very important national conversation. I don't understand his silence and almost total withdrawal from the field of battle. Where is he? America needs him.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 04/17/2008

Well for one thing, John Edwards couldn't endorse Hillary Clinton. He doesn't believe in the status quo.

Once we have our nominee I'm sure you will see more from John.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 04/18/2008

Dear Mr. Coleman:

The media, with its pressing need to capture headlines for viewership (Huffington Post included), readership, ratings, etc., often appears as if they are STUCK ON STUPID. It is quite unfortunate, the accountability is missing and not required, particularly by the respective audiences.

If the presidency of George W. Bush has taught America anything it is the importance of appropriately placing value on societal issues which are critical to the well-being of all its citizens. Quite honestly, the greatest change a President Obama will bring is someone who is smart and intelligent, insightful, a man of character who thinks before he speaks and possessive of a passion to restore America to its greatness.

I would not count on the media to responsibly report your more comprehensive account of this meeting (some redemption for Huffington Post for this printing). Perhaps Mr. Obama's staff can work this into a "What Was Really Said in SanFrancisco" leaflet and get it to the folks of PA before next Tuesday.

Again, thank you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/17/2008

Thanks for your take on things. I was sure I was being fed crap by the spin machines.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 04/17/2008

Thanks. I've come to know Barack Obama over these many months and I never doubted his intention, but it's nice to hear from someone who was actually there. I hope someday I get a chance to express my opinion of the "reporter" who dressed in the sheep's clothing of a friend at a closed door event and did so much harm to a good man and the only candidate running who doesn't Fight all the darn time.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 04/17/2008

wow!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/17/2008

Could you please keep saying these things
until everyone hears it? This is the man.
I wish the Obama campaign would let this info.
out. It is why he is so gracious. He was raised mostly by
women and lives around mostly women. He has
a softness, a kindness, and a GRACE.

Please spread the word.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 04/17/2008

Great post, Mr. Coleman. It is a very sad state of affairs when one running for political office cannot express a simple truth without it getting twisted. We all seem to ask for truth from our politicians but the truth is that they cannot step out of the "mold" the media and then we create.

The use of the word "elite" is something democrats should fight. Really, who is more "elite" - I think we know it's the republican party, yet they have successfully spun it around. The fact that Hillary plays into this and uses the very term against Obama (who is not an elitist) makes her an unwise and selfish soul, politican, indeed.

When people speak of her experience, it's the experience of a Washington insider. She is incapable of the depth of understanding that led to his comments - she has lived in the beltway for too long. All she offers are head pats and assurances that most of America does not believe she will ever live up to. She lies and brushes those lies off as if they were nothing. That was very revealing. America should be very worried about that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 04/17/2008

Obama's opponents and the media knew that if they could ever get him off that Hope/Change "Yes We Can" message, the good senator would show his weakness. So they pushed him and it worked. Now that the cat's out of the bag, most of his time will go to damage control. The programs he has presented do not resonate because he was never about policiy or programs. The general election will be a beauty contest in which Obama's scarred image cannot possibly defeat the real scars of a rather charming, feisty, old war hero who will ride to victory on the patriotic issue alone, without ever having to attack Barack personally. Why else would the McCain campaign suddenly start to praise Obama. Wise up Democrats before it's too late.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/17/2008

Neither Mr. Coleman, nor the posters here, seem to understand the controversy.

Sen. Obama said: "And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

This statement equated religion and 2nd Amendment rights -- which most Americans consider to be very good things -- with clearly bad things like bigotry ("antipathy to people who aren't like them") and know-nothing nativism ("anti-immigrant sentiment"). As an analogy, imagine Sen. McCain saying about left-liberals that, due to electoral reverses: "Its not surpising they get bitter, they cling to the legacy of Dr. King, freedom of speech, domestic terrorism and pedophilia." Such as statement would be grossly offensive to those who believe that Dr. King's legacy and freedom of speech are good things (which includes just about everybody).

Mr. Coleman seems to think that this is somehow were "joined with additional observations that black youth in urban areas are told they are no longer 'relevant' in the global economy and, feeling marginalized, they engage in destructive behavior." This is another explanation of how frustration can lead to negative behavior -- in this case, "destructive behavior." So now Sen. Obama has equated religion and the 2nd Amendment with bigotry, know-nothing nativism, and the "destructive behavior" of black urban youth (presumably crime, drugs, and gangs).

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 04/17/2008

Unless you are in the top one percentile of income, you are guilty of voting against your own economic interests. So STFU already. Everyone knows what he was trying to say. By the way not everyone would agree that religion is a good thing. I certainly don't. Ever read any Sam Harris? I doubt it. You might think differently about the consequences of pandering to people's religious fears

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 04/20/2008

Speaking of "Stuck on Stupid....."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 04/17/2008

That considered a gaffe might in fact be the truth that many desire to remain hidden thus its designation as a gaffe.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 04/17/2008

Pedophilia?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 04/17/2008

So he makes these comments to a bunch of elitist San Francisco millionaires and billionaires, and the point here has to be made that Obama was not just talking about the people of Pennsylvania. He was talking about people in Missouri, and southern Illinois, Iowa, North Dakota, Kansas, North Carolina, Alabama, flyover country, the people who make the country work. He is talking about all the people who did not use affirmative action to get into Harvard and Yale and Princeton, who don't have the money to live in mansions in the cities; the people who I say make this country work; the people who will be in church on Sunday clinging to their God not because they have nothing else to hold onto, they cling to God -- they are not even clinging to God, they are worshiping God. It is part of who they are. Now, this, to me, folks, makes all the Jeremiah Wright, Michelle Obama stuff crystal clear to anybody just glimpsing this. Damn the middle class, damn it. Michelle Obama has said as much, and so has Reverend Wright from the pulpit. The middle class, the people who pay the freight, the people who pay the taxes so these elites can destroy the country, the people who make the country work.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 04/17/2008

So now you're dead set against the one candidate who genuinely cares what happens to you? Who might actually do something to address the issues that are grinding all of us down? The millionaires and billionaires are supporting the other candidates, the people supporting Sen. Obama are making whatever donations they can, because we're bitter and clinging to the hope that this country hasn't been so torn apart by the corporations and the millionaires, and the dirty pols that serve them that we might as well give up. Whatever our obsessions, needs, beliefs, whatever, as long we're fighting each other, the fat cats keep collecting. You may not be getting richer, but they are.

There's one candidate who genuinely promises to do everything he can, and to empower us to do everything we can, to make a difference, to reclaim the prosperity, morality, and democracy of America. And the rich know it, and are doing everything they can to tear him down in little ways, because they know their power is finally being threatened. So play their game if you want to, but they're the ones who are laughing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 04/17/2008

Is there no end to you BITTER Americans that just don't get it? It's like a zombie movie...the more that come at you and get politically "killed", the more there are. As a matter of fact, you sound bitter because you are no millionaire, nor do you have the capacity to become one...and it's blatantly obvious. WE ALL MAKE THIS COUNTRY WORK, HOSS...not just you. not just the undereducated Jesus freaks. All of us. I think YOU are the elitist, although a redneck version of one. What a frustrated bunch of zombies we have in middle America, slowly inbreeding yourselves into mass irrelevance. Obama could sprout horns on his head and levitate above the stage, and I'd still vote for him over a lying profiteer or McMummy. Chew on that, Alphabet.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 04/17/2008