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David Fiderer

David Fiderer

Posted: July 13, 2009 06:42 PM

Lamar Alexander's $750 Billion Flimflam Plan on Nuclear Energy


Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., has a "Low-cost Clean Energy Plan" being marketed to people with substandard reading skills. His press release claims his plan to build 100 nuclear power plants will "lower utility bills," though it "should not add to the federal budget since ratepayers will pay for building the plants." In other words, the people in Missouri, Ohio, Michigan and elsewhere who get their electricity from coal-fired power plants should see their utility bills skyrocket. Here's a reality check on Alexander's flimflam.

The Republican plan proposes to double the level of U.S. nuclear energy generation in 20 years. How much would that cost? We currently have about 100,000 megawatts of nuclear generating capacity, and the cost of building a nuclear plant is about $7.5 million per megawatt, according to Moody's. So the cost would be about $750 billion. On a per megawatt basis, a nuclear plant costs five times as much to build and 10 times as much to operate as a natural gas plant. The $750 billion cost excludes the cost of shutting down the CO2 emitting coal-fired plants.

Now bear in mind, outside of a need to reduce carbon emissions, there is no economic basis for building 100,000 megawatts of new baseload generating capacity, especially in the states most reliant on coal power. Almost all the fuel currently used in our power plants, coal and natural gas, is produced domestically. Nuclear power has a lot of issues, but it does not emit CO2, so there is a rational basis for considering nuclear as one of several solutions to climate change.

Alexander proposes that construction costs would be financed with loans from the federal government, since the private sector would not take the credit risk. As Moody's notes, the "cost and complexity of building a new nuclear power plant could weaken the credit metrics of an electric utility and potentially pressure its credit ratings several years into the project." Of course, none of that lets the ratepayers off the hook. Most of what we pay in our utility bills covers the cost of capital infrastructure, not fuel or other operating costs.

Moody's estimates that it takes about 10-15 years to build a nuclear plant. So it would be more than a decade before we would see any real reduction in CO2 emissions from Alexander's plan. During that decade, the damage from greenhouse emissions will only be more disastrous.

Alexander offers up his plan as an alternative to the current proposed cap and trade legislation, which is designed to begin greenhouse gas reduction right away. He describes the House Bill as a "$100 billion a year national energy tax." Once again, he panders to people who don't know how to read, because the $100 billion refers to the gross cost, not the net cost. The net cost is more like $22 billion a year, or about $175 dollars per average household, according to the Congressional Budget Office. (See CBO calculations below.)

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Anything that addresses the issue of climate change involves a tradeoff, and nuclear power may very well be one part of the long-term solution. But this Republican scheme offers nothing to reduce greenhouse emissions in the short run. Alexander's claim that it imposes less of a financial burden on utility ratepayers than the current House Bill is close to fraudulent.

Addendum, July 15, 2009: Salon's Andrew Leonard reports on, "The ridiculously high cost of nuclear power."

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., has a "Low-cost Clean Energy Plan" being marketed to people with substandard reading skills. His press release claims his plan to build 100 nuclear power plants will "lo...
Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., has a "Low-cost Clean Energy Plan" being marketed to people with substandard reading skills. His press release claims his plan to build 100 nuclear power plants will "lo...
 
 
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10:22 PM on 07/15/2009
Sun is only one nuclear power plant, which will work for millions years and mankind no need to worry about its waste, or proliferation, or others form of disasters. Energy from sun is more than enough for earth population. Growing trees as source of energy is the cheapest way to produce energy compare with others today solutions.
Without any doubt it will be as environmentally as production friendly direction.

Trees will work as huge pumps to evaporate water-using energy of sun. Water vapors as lightest than most others gases will go up to clouds levels, where latent heat capacity of producing droplet of water will easily escapes to space. This is natural source of cooling the Earth surfaces. More clouds will reflect to space more sun energy and additionally cool the Earth.
North America is only one huge land from France to Japan. Cooling air with help of forests in places where we growing corn or grass for ethanol production all around USA, Canada and Mexico will mild climate in North America. It will reduce power of weather disaster and more important reduce movement of air from south to north-main reason of melting ice in Greenland.
02:24 AM on 07/16/2009
We need to use that wood, those trees, all the productive land for food, clothing, construction materials. If we use our land for growing energy and fuel, we will starve and wood and clothing will become very expensive. I takes about 5 tons per years of burning wood to produce all the heat and electricity a typical homes needs using a down draft gassifier, for instance which can also be used to make biochar to improve soils, doubling poor soils productivity. There is not enough extra land to generate the energy 6 billion people need and want.

On the other hand, if we use the wood and crops for food, clothing and shelter we can still use to energy when We would otherwise spend money to dump it.

Waste BioFuels and energy makes sense.

Growing fuel and energy does not.

rooftop solar energy is much cheaper than bio electricity, at this time. And it is much more efficient, since the sun conveniently optically distributes the energy for free.
01:33 PM on 07/16/2009
Dear research, you could found that 5 dry wood/acre /year is very achievable, if we will grow forests the same as corn, hemp, etc.
In small power plant which use as electricity as heat we use 3-4 times energy sources compare with huge power plant, where we loosing 80% of energy in vain.
In this case 300,000,000 acres of forest enough to cover all projected energy needs for US, where right now we have 600,000,000 acres of forest.
Forest could provide not only energy, but also food, it will increase not decrease production of food in any country.
Growing trees will take a lot of GHG from air and will allow to use any others source of energy.
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02:13 PM on 07/15/2009
Only a Republican could call nuclear energy "clean."

Take a little visit over to Pripyat in Russia and see how clean that city is. It is very untidy since it's entire population of 14,000 people had to drop everything and run for their lives when Chernobyl went down. I wonder how many of those hastily built 100 nuclear reactors would go China Syndrome?
01:05 PM on 07/15/2009
Solar cheaper, faster, etc.. Nukes lead to proliferation, ANY TYPE of Nukes, thus insane.

IS that so hard to understand?
12:50 PM on 07/15/2009
This is a terrible idea considering costs and extra regulation of air space permitted areas. So for every power plant that goes up.. a governmental system has to be introduced for anti-terrorism purposes. Hidden costs that are justifiable.. Yet, absurd.

At least when pilot sees wind turbines he's not going to think about of trying to do some cool acrobats through wind turbines blades. Multi-ton blade vs aircraft = massive fly swatter.
11:40 AM on 07/15/2009
First, let's acknowledge that these politicians will not come up with small solutions because they don't want the average person to be able to generate their own energy and eliminate the government's ability to add TAXES to the use of energy.

Next let's agree that big nuclear power plants are so 40 years ago! It doesn't make any financial sense to build these big facilities any more. They cost too much, they take forever to build, the government has a hard time regulating these facilities, and no one wants them in their backyard. They are 'make work' projects that the politicians can control.

Now private industry, realizing that there is a need for clean economical energy, is developing small nuclear power plants that can service 20,000 residents at a time. The units are the size of a hot tub, and if nuclear is the answer for certain areas of the country, this might be the way to go.

http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/about_tech.html

They have already acknowledged down here in FLA that for the cost of a nuclear power plant, the power company could provide the solar equipmment for all Florida homeowners to generate their own hot water by using the power of the sun.
09:50 AM on 07/15/2009
Nuclear energy is probably the best source of energy there is! A compact source that can dish out huge amounts of power and does not emit CO2. In addition, the "waste" is really only another source of energy, as it can be reprocess and burn as fuel. 100 Nuclear power plants is good start but we should be looking to at least triple nuclear share on energy production, as it is now it provides 70% of the power that does not emit green house gases and 20% of electricity over all.

One last point, who ever wrote this article is extremely bias, Huffpost should have at least one article that argues the merits of nuclear power. There are many well know environmentalist that see the potential of nuclear to help reduce our emission, like James Lovelock who created the GAIA principle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOaDY13bI84&feature=channel_page
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Genep34
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11:05 AM on 07/15/2009
The only problem is that construction will take decades and we don't have the time. Solar and wind can be brought online much faster, much cheaper and no waste.
12:15 PM on 07/15/2009
You make a good point. But that's only because we have not built one for a while once a whole system is set up and we have a standard design, time and cost will be cut dramatically. Having said that, I'm all for solar and wind, but they are intermittent sources and have limitation and setbacks( like every energy source). My argument is that it would foolish to just ignore nuclear energy and the great potential it has to help us be less dependent on coal.

But what really gets me is the scare tactics of the anti-nuclear people. Just look at the picture for this article it's city cover in green smug. What? why dont they have a picture of a city that's truly power by nuclear power like Paris, but I guess that wont still fear into people.
11:19 PM on 07/14/2009
Sometime in the next 10,000 years the human species will likely disappear from the earth. When that happens the care takers of nuclear waste will be dead. As plutonium containment structures decay, all the plutonium will leach into the earth. Plutonium is toxic. A piece smaller than the eye can see can kill. Weapons grade plutonium has a half-life of 24,000 years, far in excess of it's containment structures. The containment structures for weaponized plutonium are the missle silos where it rests. It seems to me we have set in motion the complete destruction of life on earth. The earth has a slow train bearing down on it which cannot be stopped. As humans our consolation is that everything will die only after we have.
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JTCan
10:19 PM on 07/14/2009
For goodness sake, Alexander......do you have that short of a memory? As part of a small grass roots group in your state in '78...we shut down Hartsville Nuke Plant while it was only half built. How? By getting the facts out to the public about how much it would cost the tax payers......even so long ago.
Regardless...nuclear power may not emit CO2 but the bottom line is STILL...THERE IS NO SAFE DISPOSAL OF NUCLEAR WASTE. And that is only the most toxic...long lasting substance in the world.
There are no containers in existance that outlives the half-life of nuke waste.
09:16 PM on 07/14/2009
"Nuclear power, clean, safe, and too cheap to meter." That was the bill of goods sold to the public. It did not turn out that way.
08:55 PM on 07/14/2009
rooftop SOLAR is CHEAPER!!!!!!!!!

2$ per peak watt, 3 cents per KWH.

750B$ will buy 375 GW peak solar, which on appropriate roofs, will supply about an average of 100 GW average. And it will supply that power when we need it most!

See my profile for details and links.
09:40 AM on 07/15/2009
Dear research, as I understand peak watt it is energy provided by solar panel, when sun radiation is perpendicular to panel. It is possible only one moment a day. For all day we must take integral energy from zero to peak watt and again to zero. Your calculation is wrong and even if it is true 3 cents per KWH will be average if panel work during 30 years without any problems. It is impossible, but investment need to be right now for all energy use during 30 years.
You are misleading yourself and public opinion about solar panels.
They are expensive, need batteries and always need energy from usual grid.
Receiving energy from solar cells and usual greed make this direction at least twice expensive.
Of cource we could use it in places, where they are economically profitable, but please reevaluate your agenda.
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Genep34
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11:09 AM on 07/15/2009
I disagree - research has it right.

The nuclear problem is that construction will take decades and we don't have the time. Solar and wind can be brought online much faster, much cheaper and no waste.

Nuclear is more susceptible to earthquakes as far as density of damage goes. And is not nearly as portable as solar and wind.
01:04 PM on 07/15/2009
Please Mioffe, all of that has been taken into account.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_pv_annual_may2004.jpg
You apparently want to believe that humans are a plague on the planet, and technology is always bad, that we should return to wood burning and horses. Your way requires 5 billion people die.

I listed where you can buy the solar panels for less than 2$ per watt. No matter what you WISH to believe, that works out to 3 cents per KWH over 30 years.

Since it's Grid connected, as I have said 100 times, it needs NO BATTERIES.

They don't take energy from the gird, the SUPPLY energy to the grid when it is needed most.

Why don't you post your ideas to your profile, as I have done, with links, calculations and proof.

Otherwise, your are just wasting time.
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05:31 PM on 07/14/2009
Unfortunately, many people do not realize that uranium ore (yellowcake) is enriched with coal energy so that it becomes useful for nuclear facilities. The only enrichment plant in the U.S. currently is in Paducah, Kentucky and the coal plant that powers that enrichment plant is located across the Ohio River from Paducah. I can see why Alexander would want to produce power plants if his coal will be used to enrich the fuel that goes into those nuclear power plants.

Additionally, the EPA plans to enforce hardrock mining cleanup efforts beginning in 2011. This act will replace the Superfund cleanup operations that have occurred at abandoned uranium mines. This means that future mining operations will add that cleanup bill to their cost of operations in the future. Costly and dirty - nuclear is as dirty as coal if you consider the similarities with mining and even further with waste.
06:21 PM on 07/14/2009
Nuclear is not as dirty as coal.

There have been significant advances in uranium mining that have drastically reduced the environmental impact.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf27.html

Arguing that we should not pursue nuclear because the enrichment plant is powered by coal generation is somewhat a chicken & egg argument (should we not produce photovoltaic cells because the production facilities are powered by oil?). I am not aware of any technical reason that the enrichment plant runs from a coal source, I think it is just a coincidence of its location.
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ewoman
09:57 PM on 07/14/2009
Read my statement above again - I have no argument, just stating facts. You're the one who is provoking an argument.

"Nuclear is not as dirty as coal" - You're right - radiation poisoning is not as dirty as coal, but it is much deadlier. In situ mining is mining - the only difference is that the problems have been pushed underground.

If you think that the enrichment plant in the U.S. is the only plant powered by coal, then you don't know your nuclear power processes. Do you even know how many enrichment plants are in the world, where they're located and what they use to enrich uranium? Do you even know the history of the Paducah plant? The lawsuits? The pollution? Learn, baby, learn.
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10:18 PM on 07/14/2009
and wind and solar are not as dirty as nuclear.
why would we invest 5 billion into construction costs alone for a nuclear plant, when we can spend that on renewables such as wind and solar.
with nuclear we have construction cost, operating cost, waste disposal cost, and cost of decommissioning.
with wind and solar, we have construction costs and limited maintenance cost. couple this to fuel cell power for night-time and low-wind time we have the perfect solution.
it's not rocket science. the Europeans and the Chinese are already doing it. Spain gets 20% of its electric needs via wind.
only in America could this be even debated when sound research and investigation by other governments have offered a solution.
wind + solar + hydroelectric + fuel cell. why are do we continue to pollute the air that we breathe and the land we live on? only in America!!!
09:10 PM on 07/14/2009
Not one ounce of nuclear reactor waste is in permanent storage yet and will not be for the foreseeable future. Waste from the world's first (non-natural) reactor is still in temporary storage.
Then there is the problem of yellowcake. It does not grow on trees. It is in limited supply.
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10:00 PM on 07/14/2009
Spot on. I'm not against nuclear power plants at all - I'm just against the fuel that runs them. And, I'm against anyone stating that nuclear power is "clean" when it uses such a dirty (read unsafe) and nonrenewable resource as its fuel.
05:06 PM on 07/14/2009
"Alexander's claim that it imposes less of a financial burden on utility ratepayers than the current House Bill is close to fraudulent." I agree: Missouri's Callaway 1 , estimated in 1975 to cost $700 million. Actual rate base addition was $3.5 billion or a 500% increase over original estimate. Progress Energy in Florida estimated nuke plant now building to cost $3 Billion , after first year of construction estimate is now $8.5 billion for the 1000 MW plant. Ameren's estimate for Callaway II went from $6 billion to $9 Billion in 3 months before shutting down attempts before MoPSC. Any reasonable linear extension over 10 years , given the immediate history indicates a 1000 MW nuke plant would cost at least $30 billion . That $30 billion does not include decommissioning costs that have to be collected over the 27 "Whole Life depreciation" Of a nuke plant. Missouri's Decommissioning Trust Fund Rule calls for Ameren to have at least $3 billion in the trust fund for Callaway decommissioning . Non existent Long term storge at 100,000+ years required for fuel rod waste isotopes' lethal half life is now sitting in "temporary storage pools" with an economic life of 27 years and a real life of maybe 40 years.
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01:33 PM on 07/14/2009
I nominate Alexander for a Dikipedia listing. He can't manage the coal industry safely in his own state. The recent Harriman coal ash spill, largest toxic waste industrial spill in the US, 100 times larger than the Exxon-Valdez spill. And we know how that turned out for the victims and plaintiffs. Please let's not allow him to play with anything radioactive.
01:11 PM on 07/14/2009
Are nuclear plants not allowed under cap and trade or something? If so, then how couldn't allowing the market (through cap and trade) to decide which carbon-free method is most cost effective possibly not be most cost effective???
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Artos
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12:43 PM on 07/14/2009
When I look at the picture shown along with this article, and I see the polluted city shown, it's not hard to understand why so many of us are dying from lung ailments or have to use CPAP machines to breath with at night. At least with Nuclear energy there will be some good that comes from it. In the morning when you wake up, your husband or wife will be able to say honestly ," You're looking radiant this morning." And, when we die and they bury us or cremate us they'll be able to know where our remains are by the radioactivity or glow they give off. It'll make finding us that much easier.