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The Cost of Climate Change Is Jobs

Posted: 12/03/11 12:24 PM ET

The weather in South Africa is beautiful -- warm during the day, cool and breezy at night. This is a unique and fitting place to stage the United Nations Climate Change Conference, as South Africa prepares for the impacts of climate change.

The costs of adapting to climate change are not limited to South Africa or other countries that the UNFCCC framework considers "developing." The cost is something that we in the United States deal with on a daily basis, even if there are still powerful "climate deniers" in Congress who aren't willing to admit it. From the costs of increasingly severe weather events to the rising cost of food from climate-related droughts, Americans pay for global warming every day.

But the biggest cost that we pay is in lost opportunity. As it stands, the U.S. is failing to take advantage of the opportunities to create good jobs by addressing climate change. This makes less and less sense as our economy struggles to regain its footing, and as millions of Americans continue to search for work.

The BlueGreen Alliance is in Durban this week advocating for a framework to address climate change that spurs economic growth and job creation in the United States. The 15 partners of the BlueGreen Alliance -- 11 of America's largest labor unions and four of its most influential environmental organizations -- released a statement this week, "Fighting Climate Change, Creating Jobs," which advocates international climate action grounded in science-based greenhouse gas reduction targets, urging the U.S. to pursue emissions reductions as aggressively as possible by taking all feasible steps to meet current near term targets. This can be achieved through investments and policies that will build a strong clean energy economy, create new jobs for American workers and improve U.S. competitiveness in the global economy.

We can accomplish these goals through smart policies and strategic investments in building a truly 21st century American economy. Growing the production of clean energy in the United States while making our transportation systems, industries, building stock, transmission and communications systems more efficient will both create jobs and ensure that America is competitive in an increasingly efficient global economy.

On Friday, the Labor Department announced that the American economy had gained about 120,000 jobs in November. A positive number is a good number. But we have to face facts: we aren't going to put eight million people back to work with a piecemeal approach to our economy. It's no longer acceptable to sit on the sidelines and hope that jobs will be created and that our economy will recover by returning to an unsustainable pre-2008 economic model. It's no longer an option to deny the impact of climate change on our economy. We need action to build the industries that will drive our future economy in the United States, and we need it now.

In Durban this week, thousands of people from around the world are gathering to advocate for an agreement that will avert the worst impacts of climate change and help impacted nations adapt. Whether in South Africa or in the United States, the cost of climate change is deep and far reaching. It's costing us money. It's costing us economic growth. And it's costing us jobs.

 

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The weather in South Africa is beautiful -- warm during the day, cool and breezy at night. This is a unique and fitting place to stage the United Nations Climate Change Conference, as South Africa pre...
The weather in South Africa is beautiful -- warm during the day, cool and breezy at night. This is a unique and fitting place to stage the United Nations Climate Change Conference, as South Africa pre...
 
 
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04:27 PM on 12/05/2011
Whether you believe in AGW or not, the money's being spent stupidly on correcting it. £110 billion committed by Chris Huhne to meeting the UK's carbon targets with a mish-mash of renewables, CC&S and efficiency improvements. It's as though politicians are religious followers - worshipping at the shrine of the most vociferous voters.

Protagonists and antagonists of the AGW debate really ought to switch efforts to pursuading Governments to clean up pollution and atmospheric particulates from the burning of fossil fuel for energy. We don't need to parade our erudition on 'proving' or 'disproving' conjecture, when we have - Facts: (1) Two million premature deaths per annum result from burning fossil fuels. (2) We have passed or will very soon reach Peak Oil - we need to stop burning hydrocarbons for energy and save them for the manufacture of essential products.

I'm doing my bit to get Chris Huhne to switch to clean energy. See the heading to this Blog to get an instant perspective on the environmental impact of energy from - Coal - Uranium - Thorium: http://lftrsuk.blogspot.com/
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
02:43 PM on 12/05/2011
The purpose of energy is to perform work not to create work. The argument that green energy creates more jobs is a good argument AGAINST green energy.
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doriath22
Born-again Jacobin. Robespierre had the right idea
07:36 PM on 12/05/2011
I think that what is meant is that green energy would create jobs as a consequence of the equipment and infrastructure involve in the production and distribution thereof. And I believe that anything that brings more of our energy production and distribution economy back into the USA (as opposed to having it finance dictators and medieval relics) is a good thing
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
01:16 PM on 12/06/2011
I agree that the benefits of reducing dependence should be factored into the economics of any energy strategy. However, we are not seeing a complete accounting of the costs of green energy. And I am skeptical that solar or wind provide any significant benefit.
12:59 PM on 12/05/2011
Wow...
I will openly state that there is no such thing as man made "climate change."

If we could prove there was indeed man made climate change, we certainly couldn't prove there would be anything we could do about it now....

I find it absurd that you could think we could save our economy by simply putting people to work with government "green" jobs...
How much do these jobs cost?
Who pays for these jobs?
Will these green jobs work?

I know you have none of those answers...

Please wake up and smell the water vapor....
DanBest
My micro bio is empty
01:30 PM on 12/05/2011
It's refreshing to see ignorance on full public display. There could be no measure of proof that would satisfy a closed mind. And openly stating what is said every day by corporate sponsored nay sayers, most of which have no background in science, takes no courage. And what is truly absurd is that this is what passes as intellectualism for the right.
10:29 AM on 12/06/2011
What you believe has no back ground in science...
This is obvious...

You have been duped...

And you will pay dearly for it....

Maybe Al Gore will share his climate controlled mansion with you....
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doriath22
Born-again Jacobin. Robespierre had the right idea
07:38 PM on 12/05/2011
Head injury or willful stupidity?
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Gurinder Dhillon
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10:35 AM on 12/05/2011
The oil companies are secretly hooraying the costs of climate change, they've been looking for a reasonable avenue of access to purported massive petroleum reserves beneath Greenland, which as you know as nothing but several dense layers of ice. They can't drill, or sink pipelines into Arctic tundra, so the melting of the North pole couldn't come at a better time, just as Middle Eastern oil is reaching its maximum output potential, Venezuela much to the oil companies ambitious chagrin just announced additional reserves totaling over a hundred billion barrels to their already massive reserves which means they now have more oil than Saudi Arabia. The oil companies love to manipulate the amount of reserves so they can jack up the price of oil, we can't keep on drilling for more oil its using 19th century technology to alleviate 21st century problems and its destined to fail in the future. We've been sticking straws in the ground looking for oil since 1850 in Pennsylvania when you get just walk around on top of an oil field and get the stuff on your shoes, it was once that abundant, how long do we think its going to last this golden age of fossil fuels. If the United States is well past its peak of oil what does that say for the planet its axiomatic to believe that Saudi Arabia and Venezuela will one day pass their peak as well.
12:01 PM on 12/05/2011
Hmmm, well, let's see, the newly found North Dakota reserves are greater than Texas' entire output to date, perhaps even rivaling Saudi's.

And, hmmmm, the US will be a net exporter of energy in 2011, first time in over 40 years.

Wow. We're in really big trouble!

Time to stamp on all the poor folk with higher energy prices so some academics can spread their theories to the marketplace!
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fiddler3
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10:35 AM on 12/05/2011
A quick approval of the Keystone pipeline will create jobs. Wasting taxpayer money on inefficient products and services that can't compete in the market without continued subsidies is a bad strategy. Use our money wisely. Spend it on things that create jobs that actually add value to the economy rather then subtract value from the economy. The additional efficiency of investment in proven technologies improves the leverage -- creating even more jobs.
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Carol Gebert
12:22 PM on 12/05/2011
well said.
01:04 PM on 12/05/2011
The government doesn't create jobs....

"Proven technologies?"
Like what?

Solar power at this point is inefficient and expensive....

Our government should lower everyones taxes and stop giving money to billionaires!
I'm totally against government subsidies on any level.....
YOU seem to love the right kind of government subsidies as long as it goes to whatever YOU decide is cool....

THINK AGAIN.
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fiddler3
physicist, musician, parent
01:35 PM on 12/05/2011
I never said solar was a proven technology. I do consider oil and natural gas to be proven. Hence my reference to the pipeline. I do not support government subsidies to solar or wind power companies. I also do not support subsidies to oil and gas companies. I do think government-funding for basic research in energy-related fields is a good idea. I do not see a reason to change my thinking -- and I am sure what you disagree with. Be more clear.
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aacme
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07:57 AM on 12/05/2011
Yeah, it's costing us money but it's not costing the fossilized fossil fuel companies money, and that's what counts.
We are paying for their inability to see themselves as "energy" companies, and to lead the way to the new tech, as the "invisible hand" theory assures us they will.
03:38 AM on 12/05/2011
People who must know better (like David Foster) fail even to mention overpopulation, about which I have quoted Paul Chefurka many times as having referred to it as "at the root of all the converging crises in today's world." Does Foster really think "building a truly 21st century American economy" is going to avert the global environmental catastrophe that is unfolding before our eyes? Quoting the philosopher Slavoj Zizek: "...it is too easy to attribute our disbelief in it to the impregnation of our minds by scientific ideology, which leads us to dismiss the sane concerns of our common reason, namely, the gut sense which tells us that something is fundamentally wrong with the scientific-technological attitude. The problem is much deeper. It resides in the unreliability of our common sense itself which, ... finds it difficult to really accept that the flow of everyday reality can be perturbed. Our attitude here is that ... “I know very well (that global warming is a threat to the entire humanity), but nonetheless … (I cannot really believe it). It is enough to see the natural world to which my mind is connected: green grass and trees, the sighing of the breeze, the rising of the sun … can one really imagine that all this will be disturbed?..."
David Foster seems focused on "smart policies and strategic investments" and not the sheer numbers of people who make them.
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aacme
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07:59 AM on 12/05/2011
Brilliant post.
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fiddler3
physicist, musician, parent
10:41 AM on 12/05/2011
The world is not overpopulated. Let countries choose how many people they want to have and manage their resources accordingly. Famine and disease are largely the result of bad politics and poor management -- not overpopulation. It is arrogant elitism to ask developing countries to control their use of natural resources because you believe you know what is best for them and the planet.
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theprogressiveanalyst
Ignorance is a dangerous thing
12:30 AM on 12/05/2011
Just recently read an article that provides some good news--the amount being invested in alternative energy has just surpassed that being invested in fossil fuels for the first time.Advances in technology, if combined with enlightened government policies could provide a way out of the climate crisis. The hardest part will be getting enlightened government policies.
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aacme
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08:00 AM on 12/05/2011
Considering most governments, certainly including ours, are owned outright by the most fossilized elements in society.
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Gottlieb
hated by left since 1973 and right since 1982
01:57 PM on 12/05/2011
I read the same article at Bloomberg. You can download the pdf at http://bnef.com/PressReleases/view/173

Time to stop subsidizing the fossil fuel industry.
11:02 PM on 12/04/2011
Every country in the world has people preaching the "Convert to green and we will all have these fabulous jobs" chorus.

Here in Australia local smart green jobs are being consumed by other countries doing the same thing but using cheaper labour. And Germany has acknowledged that moving to more expensie energy supplies actually causes a net loss in jobs - hardly surprising with even the least bit of unbiased thinking.

Green jobs usually require subsidies or tariffs to compete against cheaper energy sources (and I acknowledge that some of the costs of those other energy sources are externalised). There are numerous studies from the European experiments which show that not everyone can have green jobs, Europe has outsourced much of it's carbon intensive processes to other parts of the world. Their carbon consumption has kept climbing while emissions have dropped.

The only way there can be more jobs overall is that somehow overall living standards must be lowered to allow labour currently not being used, to compete in a sustainable way against the option of using less but more expensive labour on more effective capital investment.
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BlueGreen55
Capitalism w/o Morals is like Faith w/o Works-dead
10:17 AM on 12/05/2011
Instead of lowering living standards for all I suggest a realignment of Executive and BoD pay along with a realignment of overall pay in economic sectors like investment banking. Their standard iof living is the one that needs to be lowered!

1000 Execs making 400 times the average workers pay is 400,000 potential jobs alone.

Maybe a gain of 1,000,000 jobs woudl result.

Even if only half that money is used for job creation that would still be 500,000 jobs. Maybe the remainder could be put into R&D by the businesses for the long-term.

That may be wishful thinking on my part.

The Stockholders need to wakeup and take action against the over-paid frauds that are running their Ccompanies.
12:04 PM on 12/05/2011
Agree 100% on the gamed exec comp problem.

Won't fix the problem of poverty.

And does nothing for global warming hysteria and its consequences.

But the fact that execs and politicians for that matter make off with inordinate riches is obscene.

This world is a mess.
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Gottlieb
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01:59 PM on 12/05/2011
F&F just for you fine micro bio. Bloomberg has a report showing renewable energy investment over taking fossil fuel investments. You can download the pdf at http://bnef.com/PressReleases/view/173
12:46 PM on 12/04/2011
Does anyone find it suspicious that all of the predictions about major climate disasters are so far in the future that the ones that are making the predictions will be dead before they can be proven wrong? This is a nice and convenient way to cash in on the climate change hype and never be held accountable, namely, Al Gore who is making millions and millions off of this scam.
04:09 PM on 12/04/2011
No need to wait. Climate change is already underway.

Human contributi­on to more-inten­se precipitat­ion extremes

"Here we show that human-indu­ced increases in greenhouse gases have contribute­d to the observed intensific­ation of heavy precipitat­ion events found over approximat­ely two-thirds of data-cover­ed parts of Northern Hemisphere land areas". (Min et al, 2011.)
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v470/n7334/abs/nature09763.html

Human-caus­ed climate change a major factor in more frequent Mediterran­ean droughts

“The magnitude and frequency of the drying that has occurred is too great to be explained by natural variabilit­y alone”. (Hoerling et al, 2011)
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00296.1

Increase of Extreme Events in a Warming World

"[…] the majority of monthly records like the Moscow heat wave must be considered due to the warming trend. In highly aggregated data with small variabilit­y compared to the trend, like the global-mea­n temperatur­e, almost all recent records are due to climate warming." (Rahmstorf and Coumou, 2011)
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/10/18/1101766108.abstract

The Role of Human Activity in the Recent Warming of Extremely Warm Daytime Temperatur­es

“Anthropog­enic forcings alter the regional distributi­ons, indicating that extremely warm days have become hotter.” (Christidi­s et al, 2011)
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2011JCLI4150.1
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Hikerguy22
This is your carbon footprint
05:25 PM on 12/04/2011
This only a few of a mountain of arguments that prove climate change is likely caused by human activity. Where are your arguments Dtech?
12:06 PM on 12/05/2011
You're kidding right?

The reason Anglia cooked the books is because the data does not support the hypothesis.

And you quote from sources that use that corrupted data as proof?

Lemmings! Sigh!
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Tony Dickey
Futurist-Historian-Astrologer
11:20 PM on 12/04/2011
Far away?

'When the beetles hatch in the summer, huge swarms attack a forest all at once. Cool year-round temperatures and freezing winters once kept this beetle confined to low-elevation forests, where native lodgepole pines evolved natural defenses against beetles. Global warming, however, has allowed the mountain pine beetle to expand its range into high-elevation forests, where the whitebark pine is virtually defenseless against this newcomer and its explosive attacks.'
http://www.nrdc.org/wildlife/whitebark/
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theprogressiveanalyst
Ignorance is a dangerous thing
12:40 AM on 12/05/2011
To which you can add that trees are defenseless against the beetles because of years of drought due to climate change. Healthy trees can fight off the beetle attacks by excreting sap, but the unhealthy, drought damaged trees no longer have that defense. Just in the Southern California mountains alone, millions of trees have fallen victim to this combination and a recent book puts the nationwide total around a billion.
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
12:21 PM on 12/04/2011
No one has said that costs of adapting to climate change are limited to developing countries only. Obviously in US there are many climate disasters -- droughts, flooding, hurricanes -- we have to face up to. Thus pay down all the repairs or what is doing to prevent them.

The statement in Durban is well-made. It puts an end to the misconception that fossil fuels exploitation brings jobs. And it highlights the fact that build a strong clean energy economy can improve US competitiveness in global economy. A green economy will strengthen our economy and not weaken it.

So we need real policies investments and don't wait for big oil proposals about jobs.
Jobs21 initiative by BlueGreen Alliance is a good one.
07:12 AM on 12/04/2011
Mr. Foster makes some terrific points -- and the BlueGreen Alliance seems to see what should be painfully obvious to all of us in the U.S.: If we're going to dig out of the economic hole we're in, we need to compete against China and Germany and the rest of the world for new clean energy markets. We need to compete, or except defeat. The good news is that we still have a chance to simultaneously address our crushing unemployment problem and the climate crisis -- both at the same time -- by investing in clean energy solutions. Let's do it.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
11:42 AM on 12/04/2011
Clean energy?
Like this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1350811/In-China-true-cost-Britains-clean-green-wind-power-experiment-Pollution-disastrous-scale.html

Don't read it, it might make you change your mind!
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fireofenergy
Promote freedom AND science
12:30 PM on 12/04/2011
Obviously, the enviro damages caused from FF's are FAR greater than the enviro damages caused from RE.
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
12:49 PM on 12/04/2011
So what do you say? Going on with our unsustainable energy? Come on, it's a bad instance. I don't mean it's an exception but here we have the instance of a bad implementation of green energy. We have to monitor more closely what China is doing or don't use them. They aren't the queen of sustainable development.
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
12:53 AM on 12/04/2011
Expensive energy is a huge job killer, and solar, wind and bio are expensive to the extreme. Third and fourth generation nuclear power which can combine the energy to synthesize fuel from air and water are the future. Nuclear is the greenest energy there is.
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lbsaltzman
Permaculture and Sustainability
09:41 AM on 12/04/2011
If I didn't know better I swear your are paid for by the nuclear industry. So far nuclear is what is expensive and it comes with long term price tags like the storage of dangerous nuclear waste. The plants themselves are obscenely expensive to build. As for safety, given the record of nuclear industry lies, I am not prepared to accept the industry's claims of safety without a lot of independent evaluation.
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aacme
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08:11 AM on 12/05/2011
How do you know better?
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
01:02 PM on 12/04/2011
Read this:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2059603,00.html

and also this one:
http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/np-risk.htm

What a great green energy it is.
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
11:03 PM on 12/04/2011
Time magazine is a grossly incompetent publication. Their reporting on technology is awful. The Bernard Cohen article is a good one, it puts the dangers of nuclear power into prospective. According the the 2011 Epstein Harvard study, 24,000 people die from coal burning each year in the US alone. Worldwide, according to the World Health Organization, the figures is 1 Million deaths per year. In the foreseeable future, both coal and nuclear will be used. The more we use of one, the less we need of the other. I prefer nuclear.
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hrpmap
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12:49 AM on 12/04/2011
The climate change hype is costing us jobs, how true.
kmichal2000
just netflix Burzynski
11:45 PM on 12/03/2011
"climate deniers"...you mean skeptics...we can't have those in science, now can we.
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CanadaStan
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11:45 AM on 12/04/2011
The whole concept of branding sceptics deniers is completely against the principles of science, but it is completely lost on the greens.

Real scientists welcome sceptics.

Cue the usual BS supporting their close minded justification of using sceptic as a perjorative in 3...2..1...
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aacme
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08:21 AM on 12/05/2011
True enough, until the weather patterns start going crazy. After that, they're deniers.
Have you been paying attention?
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BlueGreen55
Capitalism w/o Morals is like Faith w/o Works-dead
10:39 AM on 12/05/2011
Which is exactly why so many of you are called Deniers. The scientists themselves are skeptical and almost never speak in absolutes - LIKE ALL OF THE DENIERS DO! The give probabilities and make estimates/predictions that can be tested. And their papers are peer-reviewed. And instead of waiting for that alone, they also refine their predicitive models repeatedly with new data and knowledge.

Anyone who is sceptical of a 98% probability of an event occurring with a margin of error of 3% or less is not a skeptic but most certainly is a completely foolish and senseless person and CANNOT be taken seriously!